US spy agency CIA paid Pakistan for al-Qaeda suspects: Musharraf

[varun]

wonder if the Repugs paid Musharraf to catch some Al-Qaeda too...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060924/wl_afp/pakistanusattacks;_ylt=ApeTopB2IUi3Kvqt8yKtUIsDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

LONDON (AFP) - The US Central Intelligence Agency paid Pakistan millions of dollars for handing over more than 350 suspected al-Qaeda terrorists to the United States, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has reportedly said.

The assertions come in the military ruler's upcoming memoir "In the Line of Fire," serialized in The Times newspaper.

Musharraf does not reveal how much Pakistan was paid for the 369 Al-Qaeda suspects he ordered should be handed over to the United States, the newspaper said, noting, however, that such payments are banned by the US government.

The newspaper does not, however, print or quote the excerpts which make the allegations....

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Damn there have been so many leaks lately

I think I need to invest in a raincoat.

Now if they would just leak the story behind all those meetings between the US and Pakistan before 9-11, especially that breakfast on 9-11 with Goss and Graham.

[Copperred]

2. ...check please....

What's hilarious about this is that PAKISTAN uses terror suspects as CHIPS to cash in.

Quite an alley there....



SUPPORT THE BALOCH AND PASHTUN (AFGHAN) SECESSION MOVEMENT FROM PAKISTAN

[Kagemusha]

3. ...I'm sorry, support the Pashtun secession movement?....

You trying to be funny or are you serious there? I mean, not that it's my fight either way but, you'd be the first person I've ever seen on a message board supporting such a movement in the last five years...

[Copperred]

5. 100% SERIOUS

The U.S. should be supporting the secular nationalist movements that what want to pull apart Pakistan. These are specifically the Balochi, Pashtun (Afghan) and Sindhi.

Highly recommend researching the history of Pakistan, with a focus on Bacha Khan, and its (Pakistans) routine and contining oppression of democratic secular nationalist movements within the country, and often with the OK of the US. The government supports the Islamic drum that is oppressing numerous democratic groups. These groups are specifically 100% secular. This dynamic, more than anything, IS fostering terrorism in the region today.

Pakistan is going to fall, either the US is the benefactor or the Islamic radicals will be....it is 100% our choice.

Research Asfandyar Wali Khan of the ANP Party. He is one of the few secular politicians in the region. He is also the key to a secure peace in South Asia where our boys and girls can come home.

I'm probably the first person you have EVER seen talking about this, cuz most Americans do not know what is going on in Pakistan - it's time that changed.

Article link: http://www.dawn.com/2006/09/19/top4.htm

[Kagemusha]

6. I just don't see how it's in the interests of the US either way.

Even if secular politicians make the initial break, I don't see how they'd be able to have any control at all... not that I see how Pakistan could seize control militarily... or the US for that matter... but I don't see how it helps the US either. And if it's not in the interests of the US, in the war on terror, even Democrats will be hard pressed to support this.

Hey, in a perfect world, it'd be nice for the Kurds to separate from Iraq, but that doesn't mean the US' leaders should ignore the firestorm it'd create that would be harmful to American interests.

[Copperred]

7. 100%

Kage.....without going into specifics, I assure you it is 100% in the American interest.

Times are changing.....nothing new there.

[Kagemusha]

8. So how many troops do the secularists command?

Because I have some idea that the Taliban are armed.

Wish they weren't but I can wish for a lot of things that won't happen.

[Copperred]

10. Kage, study the Afghans (Pashtuns)...

....they are an interesting breed of people....with a very interesting set of traits.

The ANP is their historical indigenous party within Pakistan, no matter that the kids are out having some fun with their foreign sponsors & ideas. The original ANP leader, Bacha Khan and best friend of Ghandi, was very specifically buried in Jalalabad, Afghanistan for more reasons than one. Every Afghan knows the ANP, what they are about, and why they are the party that embues that which is true of the Pashtuns and made their grandfather's proud.

The Taliban is the creation of Pakistan/ISI. They are aligned in many regards with the MMA who is also the creation of Pakistan/ISI. Of great importance, is that with the death of Bugti (the Baloch secular tribal leader), the MMA was forced to speak out against its masters (Pakistan), because the Afghan people themselves shifted back to whence they came. The MMA is finding their conflicts of interest will not hold.

Neither the Taliban or the MMA are indigenous creations of the Afghans. Their existance is like the wind over the ocean, they are not the ocean.

Both groups would evolve if the US decided the Afghans and Balochies should be supported in their historically sound and right nationalist aspirations.

The creation of Pakistan was one of the greatest most devious tricks ever played on a gullible people who thought they were about to be free. For many reasons the ANP party, like Ghandi, did not support the partition of British India because they fully recognized what was going on and what the ramifications would be.

The Afghans have always been armed, that is not going to change..... key is who has their heart.

As for numbers 3000 Afghan tribals (give or take) just signed a truce with 50,000 trained solidiers of the Punjab Pakistan Army. The Afghan tribals total in number around 25 to 30 million in Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan provinces. Another 12 million in Afghanistan.

The issue is not numbers.......it is values.

The US sets the table...no reason why we should let a different family do that now.....kids grow up, grandparents move on.......parents have to act responsibly.

[Kagemusha]

11. I sympathize with your idealism here but...

Hey, the Israelis created Hamas too. Does that mean Hamas follows Israel's orders? No. Who created what group can have little bearing on how the group behaves now. The Republican Party was once a party of slavery abolitionists and the Democratic Party represented slave owners. Times change.

I fully appreciate that if the US supported these tribes' separationist aspirations, the US' problems with these tribes would evaporate. The US would then have loads of problems with Pakistan itself. Is this a fair trade? I don't know. Who does?

[Copperred]

16. Far from a idealist vision....

...if your not familiar with what is going on in Pakistan, who the parties, and who fears what and why, best you do some research.

Pakistan FYI is made up of four provincecs, each named for the 4 major ethnic groups of the country. If you believe supporting ethnic domination is a good idea for us, keep what your doing, it will continue to yield plentiful of terrorists from sea to shining sea.

Cheers...

[LivingInTheBubble]

21. Not in the interest of anything else though

We have seen how much fun sectarianism is in Iraq.

[Copperred]

22. Western Ignorance....it never ceases.....

Tell that to the people who want to be free of Punjab oppression that has been Western supported since 1947.

[leveymg]

15. So, who gets Pakistan's nukes? The Belushis?

[Copperred]

17. Please note Pakistan's nukes are a bogeyman...

There is no risk of Pakistan's nukes falling into the hands of radical Islamists. Please stop falling for what you are told on TV.

Read:

Pakistan: The Myth of an Islamist Peril (Policy Brief No. 45, February 2006)
http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=17998&prog=zgp&proj=zsa

Pakistan's nuclear establishment is in the firm control of Punjabi generals, and after secesssion they will remain where they are now...with them.

[leveymg]

18. Is this guy a radical Islamist?

Please adjust your snark meter before telling me that I watch too much TV.

In all seriousness, I think you're argument that we should be aiding these separatist movements in order to break up Pakistan is a little overwraught.

I don't particularly like Gen. Musharraf, his regime, or many of its internal opponents. But, I doubt feeding yet another regime change program in the region is really in out national interest, or even theirs, considering the chaos and bloodshed that's likely to be attandant to the dissolution of Pakistan.

[Copperred]

23. I hear you on Bulishiiii!!!!! didn't catch that till afterwards......

The only thing holding Pakistan together is U.S. support...without that the people would have been free a long time ago.

The American public has become so afraid of a little pain (even others)...what are we going to do when the heat goes up even more because of your willful neglect.

Learn, educate yourself, and support the secular Balochies aand Afghans (Pashtuns) in their freedom struggle against tyranny.

[ckramer]

4. The lesson is - Money talks, money can buy happiness

Money can buy terror suspects too...


LOL, what a war that makes good use of taxpayers' money.

[daleo]

9. Paying money for human beings has an old pedigree

Criminals ought to be extradited for free between civilized countries. Paying money for captives is too reminiscent of slavery, to me.

[Solly Mack]

12. So the CIA (America) bought people they were going to torture?

America paid Pakistan for people they could "aggressively interrogate" using "alternative means of interrogation techniques"?

say it any way you want....it's still sick

America purchased people

With tax dollars funneled into a secret fund??? Money earmarked for one thing but used for the auction block instead?

How many at GTMO have a "B" branded on them for "property of Bush"???? Maybe it says "property of the CIA"

I'm just driving the point home

America.Purchased.Humans.

to.Torture.

I guess the interrogator that tells a detainee "We own your ass now" - they really mean it.

[ConcernedCanuk]

13. "say it any way you want....it's still sick" - you got that right Solly M

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And a wee bit more from the article:

"The Pakistani's leader's claims come after he said last week that former deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage had threatened to bomb Pakistan if it did not back the United States in the so-called "war on terror" in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks, described by Musharraf as "what has to be the most undiplomatic statement ever made."

/snip/

"The question was: if we do not join them, can we confront them and withstand the onslaught? The answer was no."

He said that two days after the attacks, the US Ambassador to Pakistan Wendy Chamberlain brought to him a set of seven demands including "blanket overflight and landing rights" and "use of Pakistan's naval ports, air bases, and strategic locations on borders."

Musharraf said Pakistan gave no "blanket permission" for anything.
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And there are still people wondering why the world is perceiving the USA as a Bully?????

gimme a break

[Solly Mack]

20. The mind wobbles

[Karenina]

14. Branding

[Solly Mack]

19. no doubt an "aggressive interrogation technqiue"

The CIA buying "suspects" from a government is a prime way to get rid of your competition, your dissidents