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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:50 PM
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Global Temperature Highest in Milennia (!!)
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 05:52 PM by leftchick
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2489195


WASHINGTON Sep 25, 2006 (AP)— The planet's temperature has climbed to levels not seen in thousands of years, warming that has begun to affect plants and animals, researchers report in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The Earth has been warming at a rate of 0.36 degree Fahrenheit per decade for the last 30 years, according to the research team led by James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.

That brings the overall temperature to the warmest in the current interglacial period, which began about 12,000 years ago.

The researchers noted that a report in the journal Nature found that 1,700 plant, animal and insect species moved poleward at an average rate of about 4 miles per decade in the last half of the 20th century.

<snip>

"If further global warming reaches 2 or 3 degrees Celsius, we will likely see changes that make Earth a different planet than the one we know. The last time it was that warm was in the middle Pliocene, about 3 million years ago, when sea level was estimated to have been about 25 meters (80 feet) higher than today," Hansen said.


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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:51 PM
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1. k & r/nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:55 PM
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2. abc news did a great segment on this. they even mentioned how the
report was critical of Micheal Creiton who 'until last year was welcome at the WH"


they did not go into why or if he is no longer welcome.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:02 PM
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3. Crichton is a super propagandist on environmental issues
He is up there with the likes of Bjorn Lomborg and Richard Lindzen when it comes to dispersing myths and lies on the environment.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:29 PM
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7. I never knew that!
until the ABC segment tonight! What a fuck head! :grr:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:42 PM
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19. yeah his crappity book "state of fear"
which was trotted out by every RW anti-environment oil corp in the world (The American Petroleum Institute even gave him an award for it) is about an eeeeeeevil environmentalist who wants to destroy the world to get money for his environmental org or some such crap :eyes:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/27/crichton-science/

Its worse even than the scientific propaganda these types put out, because its easy-to-read fiction and accessible to a lot of people.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:49 PM
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20. oh great!
fuel for the folks who can not discern fiction from non-fiction.

:argh:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:06 PM
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4. we are still a very long way off from mankind taking the
necessary steps to mitigate this progression.

this is one event that may be very hard -- if possible to avoid.

i was either not born early enough -- or not late enough.
it's beginning to feel like something you don't want to live through.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:13 PM
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5. "OH, NO!" the President exclaims with great emotion. "That's terrible!"
"OH, NO!" the President exclaims with great emotion. "That's terrible!"

His staff sits stunned at his display of emotion and nervously watch as the President sits, head in hands.

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "Where is Milennia?"
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:09 PM
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18. Ack...
:spank:
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:53 PM
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27. Good one!
Too bad I can't laugh for long.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:22 PM
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6. Also from ABC: Earth Headed for Warmest Temps in a Million Years
Earth Headed for Warmest Temps in a Million Years
Scientists Also Rebuke Popular Author Michael Crichto

By CLAYTON SANDELL and BILL BLAKEMORE

Sept. 25, 2006 — In about 45 years, temperatures on Earth will be hotter than at anytime during the past one million years, says the U.S. government's top climatologist in a new report released today.

According to the report, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the planet is just two degrees shy of an average temperature of 59 degrees Fahrenheit, which is what they believe the temperature was about a million years ago.

NASA's James Hansen, along with colleagues from the University of California and Columbia University, are for the first time, marking a calendar signaling the approach of temperatures that humans have never experienced.

"Humans are now in control of the Earth's climate, for better or worse," Hansen tells ABC News.
(snip/...)

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2489179&page=1
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:29 PM
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8. fix spelling and its not a Millennium either
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 07:01 PM by bushmeat
1 Millennium = 1000 years,

the study shows its the highest in millions of years

but yea, this sucks for humans and most other inhabitants on the planet

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:31 PM
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15. The misspelling is in the original ABC headline
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 07:32 PM by bananas
follow the link and see for yourself.
LBN rules say it has to be the exact title.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:52 AM
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32. Strictly, it seems to be the highest in about 400,000 years


and some other measurements may show it was higher in some places around 130,000 years ago:



From the PNAS article: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/103/39/14288

So 'millennia' is a reasonable way to describe it (if ABC could get the spelling right, anyway).
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:49 PM
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9. This is very scary
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 06:49 PM by Virginia Dare
and I can't understand why ABC buried this report right in the middle.

WE'RE DOOMED, POSSIBLY IN AS LITTLE TIME AS THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND THERE'S NOT ONE FUCKING THING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT!!

Shouldn't that be the top story? :shrug:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:44 PM
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21. but they did a good segment on the evening news tonight.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:15 PM
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10. Earth may be at warmest point in 1 million years (sorry ABC)
Mods this is a different story that, because 1,000 years is not the same as 1,000,0000 years as a story.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Earth may be close to the warmest it has been in the last million years, especially in the part of the Pacific Ocean where potentially violent El Nino weather patterns are born, climate scientists reported on Monday.

This doesn't necessarily mean there will be more frequent El Ninos -- which can disrupt normal weather around the world -- but could well mean that these wild patterns will be stronger when they occur, said James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City.

The El Nino phenomenon is an important factor in monitoring global warming, according to a paper by Hansen and colleagues published in the current Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. They blamed this phenomenon on global warming that is affecting the surface of the western Pacific before it affects the deeper water.

Overall, Earth is within 1.8 degrees F (1 degree C) of its highest temperature levels in the past million years, Hansen and the others wrote. They noted a recent steep rise in average temperatures, with global surface temperatures increasing about 0.4 degrees F (0.2 degrees C) for each of the last three decades.>>>>>>snip

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-09-25T210043Z_01_N25285843_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENVIRONMENT-WARMING.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:15 PM
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11. Tell that to Inohoe (sp?) He was on C-Span today spouting all
kinds of bs about global warming. I only caught a few brief instances (stop the movie), because it was so blatantly delusional. That man is a nut case, and he's the only one that doesn't know it!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:15 PM
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12. I hate how ABC lied about the story.
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 06:46 PM by IChing
saying it was 1,000 years

Is this ABC's new story about "the path to global warming"?

Lying about what was said in "the path to 911"?
ABC now is almost like getting your news from "News Max"
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Sin Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:15 PM
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13. you see it has to be 1000.
For the new ABC Audience with the earth only being a few thousand years old. 1,000 years fits all the ID wack jobs world view better then 1,000,000 years so there only shooting for there new base.
with this in mind there next step should be to start doing the nightly news in a series of grunts and animal noises mixed with waving there hands over there heads.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:37 PM
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16. OK 1000 equals 1 million now and war = peace
torture = safety. They couldn't even spell the word right.

END of times crap, the earth is only 7000 years old
shit I forgot what century I'm living in
or is a century now
a year, decade or a day?
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:48 PM
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26. To be fair...
Check and see how NASA's press release reads:

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20060925/
A new study by NASA scientists finds that the world's temperature is reaching a level that has not been seen in thousands of years.

The study, led by James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, N.Y., along with scientists from other organizations concludes that, because of a rapid warming trend over the past 30 years, the Earth is now reaching and passing through the warmest levels in the current interglacial period, which has lasted nearly 12,000 years. An "interglacial period" is a time in the Earth's history when the area of Earth covered by glaciers was similar or smaller than at the present time. Recent warming is forcing species of plants and animals to move toward the north and south poles.

...

The most important result found by these researchers is that the warming in recent decades has brought global temperature to a level within about one degree Celsius (1.8°F) of the maximum temperature of the past million years. According to Hansen, "That means that further global warming of 1 degree Celsius defines a critical level. If warming is kept less than that, effects of global warming may be relatively manageable. During the warmest interglacial periods the Earth was reasonably similar to today. But if further global warming reaches 2 or 3 degrees Celsius, we will likely see changes that make Earth a different planet than the one we know. The last time it was that warm was in the middle Pliocene, about three million years ago, when sea level was estimated to have been about 25 meters (80 feet) higher than today."

...


The study did not say that the temperature is the warmest it's been for a million years. It is the warmest it's been for several thousand, and is approaching the high for the last million.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:46 PM
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22. I listened to him for a while. A real dimwit.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:52 PM
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23. I listen to this clown, and all I can think is "Let Oklahoma burn."
Let the temperature hit records unsurpassed even in the 1930s.

Let walls of dust miles in height blanket OKC and Tulsa.

Let all the stock ponds dry and all the cattle die.

Let fire ants flourish, killer bees migrate and dengue fever arrive.

And then I ask for forgiveness because I can't wish that on any state, even a state that keeps reelecting this dangerous and dangerously stupid man to one of the highest offices in the state.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:26 PM
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14. shit
Had I seen that I most certainly would have posted it vs the ABC sanitized version.

:(
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:51 PM
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17. You did good!!
Your OP with the original headline (which uses the wrong word and misspells it to boot, heehee!!) says volumes about the "Path to 9/11" network's basic credibility gaps.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:15 PM
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24. yes kudos :o)
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:35 PM
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25. NASA Link
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 12:40 PM by OKIsItJustMe
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20060925/
...
The most important result found by these researchers is that the warming in recent decades has brought global temperature to a level within about one degree Celsius (1.8°F) of the maximum temperature of the past million years. According to Hansen, "That means that further global warming of 1 degree Celsius defines a critical level. If warming is kept less than that, effects of global warming may be relatively manageable. During the warmest interglacial periods the Earth was reasonably similar to today. But if further global warming reaches 2 or 3 degrees Celsius, we will likely see changes that make Earth a different planet than the one we know. The last time it was that warm was in the middle Pliocene, about three million years ago, when sea level was estimated to have been about 25 meters (80 feet) higher than today."
...


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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:16 PM
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28. How about one MILLION YEARS?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/09/25/warming.earth.reut/index.html

Earth may be at warmest point in 1 million years
POSTED: 5:01 p.m. EDT, September 25, 2006

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Earth may be close to the warmest it has been in the last million years, especially in the part of the Pacific Ocean where potentially violent El Nino weather patterns are born, climate scientists reported on Monday....

MORE
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:43 PM
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30. No, not yet
We're within about one degree Celsius of what is estimated to have been the warmest average temperature in a million years.

It doesn't sound like much, just one degree.

Here's a graph that shows the temperature increase since 1880. It's a dramatic curve, but it's less than one degree Celsius.


Assuming that the mean temperature keeps increasing as fast as it has for the past 3 decades, it will be about 50 years before we hit that theoretical million-year high.

I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of the situation; it's just that it is not true that the temperature is the highest it's been for a million years. (At this point, it's only the highest it's been for several thousand. ;-) )


Don't trust the popular media to get the story straight. Read the NASA press release.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20060925/

Or better yet, read the actual report: http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2006/2006_Hansen_etal_1.pdf
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:34 PM
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29. NO, everything is ok
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 06:34 PM by twaddler01
:sarcasm:
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:10 AM
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31. No worries. Technofix will deal with it all next Tuesday. nt
.
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