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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:07 AM
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Principal shot in rural Wis. school
AZENOVIA, Wis. - A student walked into a rural school with a gun and shot the principal several times, authorities said. A suspect was taken into custody and all the children were reported safe.

Principal John Klang's condition was not immediately known, Sauk County sheriff's Capt. Michael Haifemann said.

The student walked into the school at about 8 a.m. and shots were fired as people tried to get him under control, Melissa Nigh, dean of students at Weston School, said in an interview broadcast on MSNBC.

The K-12 school was locked down Friday morning, officials said.

"All the children in the school were safe and none were harmed," Haifemann said.

Cazenovia is a community of about 300 people about 60 miles northwest of Madison.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060929/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting


What the hell is goin on here? Colorado, Florida... now Wisconsin
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:11 AM
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1. whole world's going to hell in a hand basket
I pray the principal recovers....
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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:14 AM
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2. 2nd scary episode this month in Wisconsin
this was a week or so ago http://www.channel3000.com/news/9857098/detail.html

latest news (no link at this time)the prinicpal should be ok.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:31 AM
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3. Were any of these people on drugs?
Antidepressants? Just curious.
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:34 PM
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4. Appearantly the guy was a loner.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=506457

Not to get picky, but the dateline should read "Cazenovia".

Yes, a village of 300. Typical rural America. The nearest city is Madison and that's about 90 minutes away. I've been there a few times, one wouldn't expect something like this to happen there.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:45 PM
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5. I guess making up insulting songs about the principal
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 12:46 PM by rocknation
isn't satisfying enough anymore.

Or, as a friend of mine said after the Columbine shootings, "Why didn't those guys just start a band?"

:headbang:
rocknation

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:55 PM
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6. Think the NRA will trot out their "arm the teachers" idea
they had after Columbine again next week?
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:35 PM
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7. Principal has died
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:37 PM
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8. *sigh*
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:37 PM
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9. What is it with all these
school shootings anymore?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:45 PM
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10. Well in the case of the Springfield, Oregon shootings
it was a depressed kid who had no friends and spent all his time brooding and didn't seem interested in anything, so his father thought learning to shoot might be a nice hobby, so he bought him a gun, the gun with which the boy later killed his parents and some classmates.

Almost all these shootings take place in rural and suburban areas. I wonder if it's a matter of those schools being extra cliquish, small enough (or snooty enough) that if you don't fit within a certain narrow range of behavior, you don't fit at all and are mercilessly snubbed and/or tormented, which, for a teenager, is like a death sentence.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:47 PM
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11. I knew kids that didn't do too well socially when I was in school
I don't remember too many shootings back then though.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:49 PM
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12. Same here.
As a matter of fact, I can't recall any school shootings at all.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 05:16 PM
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16. One thing we didn't have in our media when I was a kid was
Rambo-like "heroes" who "solve" problems by machine-gunning or otherwise massively destroying hordes of faceless attackers, nor did we have video games (at all).

Although I can remember gun battles from the TV and movies of my youth, I can't remember the kind of massacres of hordes of anonymous bad guys who have no motivations for being bad guys--they're just bad guys. I remember more programs in which the bad guys were driven off after a couple of them got killed, or the bad guy was arrested after the good guy shot him in the arm. Despite the racism of the old Western movies, I can't recall any 1950s-60s TV or movies in which the settlers killed all the attacking Indians. The usual scenario was for a few to get shot and the rest to retreat. Wholesale slaughter was not the order of the day.

Nor did our society in general seem to treat the mean and dumb as nationwide celebrities with the full show biz treatment, as in WWF wrestling. (We had stagey wrestling on TV, but the wrestlers were decidedly unglamorous.)

I'm not for censorship of video games or any other media, but I think that parents do have to be aware of what their kids are seeing and doing. For example, a socially isolated kid who spends all his free time playing shoot-'em-up video games probably needs a little parental investigation, a serious talk, and professional help if necessary.

For example, it sounds as if the parents of the Columbine shooters just gave them money and let them do whatever they pleased.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 08:53 PM
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18. School shootings are WAY down over the past twenty years.
Schools are locked up tight these days and teachers get oodles of training on how to spot and deal with potentially dangerous situations. School shootings make more news now than they used to, but the number of school shootings per year is down by ~70% since Columbine, and down by ~80% since the late 1980s.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 09:52 PM
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19. Any links to prove that assertion? I don't believe it
Gun violence is up since Bush.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 03:25 AM
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24. Most likely related to the economy
Crime usually increases as the economy craps out. Recently (since January 20th, 2001, it seems...) that the economy has not collapsed in the traditional sense, but there is a slow decline in the standard of living as wages remain stagnent while productivity rises (less pay per item produces, and costs of living continue to climb. Gasoline, natural gas, home heating oil, electicity, health care, and housing costs continue to climb. And with the manufacturing sector moving overseas it is getting harder and hard to find jobs that pay between basic service-sector jobs and managerial jobs. The decline of labor unions probably isn't helping either.

I personally think that the decline of manufacturing jobs, of making tangible things, is what is driving general fustration with low to lower-middle income. They have been replaced with dealing with customers, which (to me at least) is a fustrating and low-reward job. At least when you're making something, you can see a pile of finished parts at the end of the day.

Many people will blame guns for this, I don't doubt. I am not one of them, but it is hard to tell. There are some 220 million privately-owned firearms in this country, a number that has been consistant on a per-capita basis for decades. This comprises about two-thirds of all privately-held firearms on the planet and about one-third of all firearms in the world, including military and police arms.

The crime rate started going down during the Clinton years, but that was when several factors that could have affected it kicked in. The Clinton economic boom, the Brady background checks on gun buyers, the Clinton assault-weapons ban, and the Clinton COPS program may all have reduced violent crime rates to varying degrees, although so-called 'assault weapons' were and are used so rarely in crime that all of the hysteria in the media is unfounded.

Since then, the AWB has expired, but remains in effect in several states like California and New York. More significantly, the COPS funding has been entirely eliminated, meaning that some 50,000 cops hired during the Clinton era with federal funds to local police forces are in jeapordy of losing their jobs. Many police forces have actually shrunk as federal COPS funding has dried up, state and local funds shifted to anti-terroristm, and budgets shrank during the stagnant economy.

But this is different from run-of-the-mill crime. This is not being done for drugs, goods or money. It is this hate caused by his peers that drove him to this. Some problems with other students and/or teachers that had deep and wildy emotional roots that went untreated and unresolved until somebody snapped.

I don't know. Given the choice, I'd rather have a student go on a shooting rampage rather than a bombing spree, because overall, shooting terrorist attacks kill less people than explosions. The Columbine shooters killed only 13, despite being heavily armed and a long delay between police arriving on-scene and SWAT entry into the high school. I think it was the real blood, and real human suffering, that stayed their hand. There was a reason that the Nazis began using gas chambers; the soldiers they had doing the massacres prior to the use of the poison gas were having massive mental and morale problems. The instinct to kill in self-defense is much stronger in our collective psyche than killing for the sake of blood. Fighting a war is collective self-defense. Machine-gunning rows of helpless Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, and homosexuals trapped in concentration camps is simple slaughter.

Also, when someone opens up on a crowd of people with a gun, people generally start running and hiding immediately, which limits casualties. There is a reason that the primary terror weapon again Israeli and Iraqi civilians are bombs: they do all of their damage before anybody can react. When you hear reports about shootings in Iraq, you have 4 or five killed. A bomb blast kills dozens. McVeigh killed a 168 with a single bomb, yes if he had waltzed into the Murrah federal building will a fully-automatic AK-47 and plenty of 75-round drum magazines he could not have done anywhere near that.

As an added bonus, a fair percentage of people trying to make bombs blow themselves up, which heads off an attack rather nicely.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:56 PM
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13. We send our children to school with the illusion and pretense
that they are safe, and far too often they are not and the potential for violence is there. Schools without security will commonly have a notice that all visitor must report to the office. It's rather naive to believe that those who are hell bent on mischief will obey the signs. I have worked in a number of schools in my community, high schools, middle schools, and grade schools, and it is not a difficult matter for a stranger to get in and walk the halls. Then if something happens, parents wonder, "How could that happen here?"
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:06 PM
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20. It was a student, wasn't it. It is usually student or staff.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:06 PM
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21. We loves our guns. It's what America nurtures. No surprise here.
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Doctor Venmkan Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:46 PM
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22. Yes, let's ban guns in schools so this can never happen again!
Oh...wait...guns are ALREADY banned in schools you say? :sarcasm:

All right, seriously, there is nothing wrong with teaching a kid in 9th Grade (Freshman right?) how to shoot.

There **IS** something wrong with letting a 9th grade kid have FREE ACCESS to ANY firearm. At that age, all the emotional drama...uh-uh.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 05:10 AM
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25. This is true, but not the recent incident in Colorado.
But consider students or staff, or even infrequent visitors. Who better know the school security, or lack of it, and how to exploit it? In my city there is a high school which has a teacher stationed near the front doors near the main student parking lot to check the kids as they come in all during the day. But the doors on the opposite end, while kept locked, have nobody watching them and students routinely open them to allow others inside. Also, there is an unlocked and unwatched back door which teachers and other staff and delivery use which straight ahead of it is a short hallway which leads to an open set of doors to the cafeteria. Now that is a big security hole and many know of it and could take advantage of it.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:59 PM
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14. ABC is posting the Principal has died
THE WISCONSIN HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL WHO WAS SHOT BY A STUDENT EARLIER TODAY HAS DIED

http://abcnews.go.com/

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 05:01 PM
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15. Terrible. n/t
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galileo3000 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 08:22 PM
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17. Peace, Love, Sympathy, and Condolences
...to all affected by this terribly tragedy. In memory, and as a gift to all my brothers and sisters, I will do my best to try to be a little kinder this weekend to help reduce the tension we all feel. We grieve with you.

- Galileo
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 02:06 AM
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23. whats wierd about this is in my area is a lot of violence recently
unprecidented violence where people have killed others. I was commenting with a friend about it on monday, and then a week like this, right down to chimps torture bill. I think smth is very wrong causing tension in the country right now.
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