LAT - Schwarzenegger surging ahead as vote nears

[msongs]

www.latimes.com I am reading this from today's preview edition of tomorrow's Sunday LAT

new LA Times Poll shows arnold ahead of democrat Phil Angelides by 17% points, 50% to 33%

Angelides has 'scant support beyond a core base of liberals..."

"Just 61% of democrats support angelides , while 88% of republicans support schwarzenegger."

Independents support Arnold 49% to 31%

Evidently the public has lack of faith in Angelides' leadership skills. Asked who has stronger leadership skills, Arnold wins,
60-20.

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gee could the slimey primary campaign slug fest have anything to do with it?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

PS - anyone with access to the LAT site can provide a direct link?

[bluestateguy]

1. Must they continue to waste money on polls in this race?

I'm starting to really hate Angelides. I thought Kathleen Brown's campaign was bad--and it was--but he should be permanently exiled from politics--no from California--for his boobery.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. I guess the RW has the money in California. Isn't that where the

John Birch Society started?

[jamesinca]

26. There are a lot of idiots in this country

California does not have a monopoly on them. Arnold has been running negative ads since the primary, non stop every channel. Phil, not to many ads. The Chamber of Commerce came out with pro Arnold ads before the primary in June. Steve Westley ran a smear campaign against Phil at the time. Phil not to many ads. The ones that have been doing the work out here in CA are the Alliance for a Better California. They are the ones that sunk Arnold in the special election last fall, they are the ones that are running the ads about Arnold. Those ads are just now getting out there. Phil not to many ads. There is very little pro Phil stuff, lots of anti Phil stuff. What are the voters seeing, Phil is an abject failure and they are just now seeing that Arnold is an abject failure. My question is, where is Phil?

So to answer your question, yes the right wing has money. I just got an e-mail today from the Angelides campaign that the sheet metal workers will give $10,000, they are about to pee themselves with joy. On the other hand Arnold is having a fundraiser on October 11 in Fresno county at a private residence. The cost is $1,000 to get in. A photo with Arnold will $10,000 and for the price of $22,3000 you can get four tickets and two photos. And Phil is about to pop open the Champaign because of a $10,000 donation. A lot of love can be bought with the money Arnold will bring in on just this one dinner.

[BrklynLiberal]

48. I guess I am just surprised that Californians are so easily taken in.

[barb162]

70. twice in a row yet

[BrklynLiberal]

2. How ridiculously pathetic of those California voters to actually think

the Governator is their salvation. How can they be so easily fooled by such obvious bullshit?

[olddad56]

50. How ridiculously pathetic of you to think that your vote still counts.

[Mojambo]

4. I kinda gave California a break the first time they elected him

But come on now...

[NOLADEM]

5. Agreed...California has lost its mind

If this is the liberal stronghold of America, we are fucked. Arnold rivals Bush as America's most pathetic political hack and fraud.

We get the leaders we derserve, I hear.

[msongs]

6. meanwhile, in OTHER CA races....

fienstein is a shoo-in as senator, jerry Brown way ahead as attorney general

much closer race for secretary of state (debra bowen) and the diebold republican. big angelides loss could give the repub a narrow win if dems stay home election day.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[NOLADEM]

7. Could the Dems just not find anyone better ?

[NNguyenMD]

9. next cycle should provide a more competitive dem primary field

Gavin Newsom's name is getting circulated around as a contender after he gets picks up more experience as SF's Mayor.

And my personal favorite, Antonio Villaraigosa Mayor of LA is attempting the momumental job of overhauling LA Unified School District. If he can pull that off with reasonable results within four year's, they might as well elect him president.

[Mz Pip]

12. We tried

We failed.

Angelides had the support of the powers that be Democrats in CA. He'd paid his dues and it was now his turn. So it goes.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[SoCalDem]

18. He's our Bob Dole

:puke:

[BlueManDude]

14. This race was never winnable despite Arnold's bad job approval #s.

[Divine Discontent]

55. it woulda been

if there was one candidate against arnie who was strong spoken and supported financially. where's all the money from the celebs.. oh, that's right, they support arnie (from what I've heard)

[Retrograde]

47. Well, there's this primary thing

we had back in June, and the majority of people who voted in the Democratic primary picked Phil Angelides as the official party nominee, so that's who got on the ballot.

So I guess the answer is, while the Democrats may be able to find someone better, they don't seem to want to.

[LeftCoast]

58. Turnout for the primary was very low

Angelides has the traditional base locked up, but not much else. That's why he could win the primary and then utterly founder like he has in the general.

[zonkers]

75. Magic Johnson should have run.

[Nevernose]

21. Californians are the same folks who gave us Reagan & Nixon

While there are more far-left liberals there than most places in America, there's apparently not enough of them to make up for the Redneck/Ignorant/Greed Coalition.

I'm also not a big fan of Southern California period, even the hippie-filled ostensibly-liberal parts. I find it to be noisy and crowded, and the people to be generally rude (like most big cities, probably). Give me Sequoia, Death Valley, or San Francisco (the exception to my big city rule) any day of the week.

[NNguyenMD]

8. well, the dems still got a tight hold on both CA state houses

and Jerry Brown said himself that being a Dem Governor in California is a really tough job because when you don't make everyone happy the Repugs scream "do nothing governor! he controls the state house and senate!" every chance they get.

And not to disparage my former home state, but there are plenty of idiots in California for fall for that garbage all the time. There is little you can do about it. I think the statehouse leadership has done a good job at keeping a lid on him.

I think as long as the Dem's keep the state house, and elect decent mayors in its major cities then it won't be as bad as you might expect. If I am able to come back to SoCal for residency, I would be very excited see what Villaraigosa has planned for LA.

[AX10]

37. I hope you are right.

[pinto]

10. LA Times link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-poll1oct01,0,7216956.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[Stargleamer]

11. All these unchallenged negative ads do have an effect. . .

really, why didn't Westly and Angelides see that one of them needed to drop out early so the other could have a chance against Arnold? There should never have been such an acrimonious primary.

[Algorem]

13. 39% of Californian Dems can't grope for a reason to vote Democratic?

that's great they love their sociopath governor

http://www.arnoldexposed.com

[xchrom]

15. i'm in cali and agree with you.

six months ago ahnuld's approval was bad as bush's.

sheesh -- it's soooo frustrating.

it's that taxes thing -- angelides would tax the RICH but cali folk some how think that's them{not}.

sheer frustration.

[Algorem]

19. the Austrian strongman must go.needs to be backed into his bunker.

funny how he can change his mind on all kinds of things when campaign time comes around.A little too "Schwarzenegger Uber Alles".

[slackmaster]

33. Democratic Party membership is on the decline in California

So is GOP membership, and comprehending why that is so provides a key to understanding Arnold Schwarzenegger's success.

The truth is that the Legislature, dominated by Democrats for decades, has slid so far to the left that the Governor's veto pen is seen by many here as a thin blue line stopping the worst of the insanity that passes both houses every year.

Schwarzenegger has learned to govern from the center, which is where a lot of voters are headed because of the effects of extremists on both the left and the right. See voter registration statistics at http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/ror_09082006.htm - Note he fastest-growing category is "declined to state".

Failure to grasp Scwarzenegger's success IMO indicates a basic lack of understanding of the electorate.

[LibDemAlways]

16. For all of you who don't live in CA and are wondering

why Arnold is so far ahead.....Angelides is invisible. He isn't running tv ads in a state in which the media campaign is the only campaign. After a bloody primary battle, he just disappeared. I've never seen anything like it. I'll bet a sizable percentage of the electorate doesn't even know Arnold has an opponent. It really isn't that Arnold is so popular, because I think most people know he's a Bush ass kissing hack, but he simply has no competition. It's pathetic.

[olddad56]

51. well said.

[OnionPatch]

69. Yup. I'd hardly know who he was if I wasn't a DUer

I don't know Angelides and I'm sure he's a decent person, but he was definitely no match for a movie star. I wish the Dems had found someone with more charisma to run against Arnold.

[ShortnFiery]

17. That's sad, I can't stand THAT Man :( n/t

[slackmaster]

64. I know a few people who have worked with him on movies

Some of the things he's said at the lunch table would violate the posting rules were I to repeat them. I have in fact had a post that paraphrased him, deleted by the moderators.

He is an unsavory character indeed. But the public is largely unaware of the extent of his crudeness, and is apparently willing to forgive the pecadillos that are publicly known.

[barb162]

71. I'm still wondering why the groping thing never made more

headlines. I think he's a real slug

[zonkers]

20. California is so...

Californian.

[rpannier]

22. In fairness to Californians...

if Angelides actually ran a campaign like he wanted to win maybe he'd be better poised to win. From what I've read, he's an invisible campaign. You don't unseat an incumbant by hiding.

[slackmaster]

32. All I've seen of Angelides is him running against George W. Bush

And Schwarzenegger has not allowed himself to get close enough to Bush to let that be a real liability.

[NNguyenMD]

23. There are basically only two campaign ads I've seen

I've been in California the last few months as a visiting student with LA County Hospital/USC, I get home late at night and there are basically only two ads I have seen,

Angelides's ad which is just criticizing Groper's support of Bush. Thats all its about, its of Arnold yelling shrubs name a bunch of times, and in between each time it gives a grievance over Bush, NOT the Groper.

and Groper's ad is of Angelides walking around a neighborhood, and then running the tape backwords when it talks about the times he has changed his mind, or didn't know what position to take on an issue.

I would never ever vote for Groper, I can't even vote for Angeledis I'm a New York State resident I'll be happily voting for Spitzer, but I can totally understand why Angelides is losing. He's hardly fighting at all!! These are the only two ads on the LATE NIGHT HOUR! He needs to churn out something much more killer, an ad that'll really knock Arnold's feet right out from under him.

[brooklynite]

24. Why did people think Angelides was a good candidate?

I'm not trying to be hostile, but maybe some internal reflection is in order. California is a huge state, and, as far as I can see campaigning is dependent largely on TV exposure. To attract that kind of coverage, you seem to need to be a "personality" (Reagan, Schwarzenneger) or eclecticly different (Brown). Angelides doesn't seem to exude anything other than being another politician from Sacramento. Absent that or a truely compelling campaign issue, I think the odds were stacked against him from the beginning.

[bemildred]

25. We had two choices.

Pending any change in Angelides performance, they both sucked. This was the alternative:

[rpannier]

61. Damn

It looks like the Mc Cain-scrub pic.

[zonkers]

27. The more he gropes & insults minorites, the higher he polls. WTF?

[mrdmk]

28. The real answer is Angelides decided to take a vacation after the primary

I guess he was tried. (That was stupid on his part).

The powers that be and the media decided Angelides would be the man and gave the big thumbs up. There was negatives ads everywhere about Westly.

Speaking about the media, the media here in Southern California absolutely sucks and Arnold is their darling. The evening news just goes goo-goo ga-ga over the man and they cannot stop praising him. It is just sick.

Besides, it is just California and now there are many strongholds of Republicans out here.

Just take a look at San Diego, Here was a Republican taking bribes and the city gets shanghaied into having another Republican, via the House this time.

[pinniped]

29. Ya, the dumbasses who voted for this POS will do so again.

These idiots can't even remember a few months ago when Gropenator blew away $80,000,000.00 plus on that special election BS.

[Massachusetts]

30. who has stronger leadership skills, Arnold wins

[lonestarnot]

43. Yeah that's why every single fucking one of his proposals were voted

down by the electorate as I recall. Great fucking leadership skills. NOT!

[leesa]

31. It's wierd though. There are NO Arnold bumper stickers is my BushBot

Southern Ca town. I guess they figure he's a shoe-in. Or maybe they don't know there's an election.

[natrat]

34. westley had a better chance but the vichy dems-difi-took angelides

[Hepburn]

35. I have only one comment of Gov. Ah-nold:

:puke:

[AX10]

36. California is one screwy state. At least southern Cali is.

It makes me proud to say I live in Connecticut.

Our Democrats had the good sense to oust Republican-apologist Joe Lieberman. It's more than what can be said about Cali.

[samsingh]

38. the good people of california, electing a moron who

just rejected universal health care.

[junior college]

39. The people of california

have been shifting rightward ever since 9/11. San Francisco, in fact, is now considered more of a place for moderate Republicans. Even a lot of gays are voting Republican come November.

[nini]

41. yeah right

:eyes:

[junior college]

42. Well they did put in Frank Jordan

And now Newsom is roustin homeless people in GG Park.

[nini]

45. you bring up a good point about San Francisco

And I fully expect to get flamed for this.


Many Liberals in San Francisco are the type who vote Dem, protest in the streets and fight for human rights etc.. until it affects them directly. The homeless roundup is an example of this. They don't want them in their way. I understand the issues of these problems, but at the same time I fnd it interesting this happens in such a liberal city. I have always looked upon many San Francisco liberals to be in name only - like's it the trendy thing to be there. It's more of a status issue with many than a lifestyle - if that makes any sense.


However, They will vote Dem up there for some time. They're not changing that much to say the Repukes are taking over.


btw: Welcome to DU.

[LeftCoast]

59. Newsom's also implementing universal health care in SF

He's in no way a republican. Remember that whole gay marriage thing?

[junior college]

62. I voted for Matt Gonzalez

and I was very surprised when Newsom did the whole gay marriage thing. I don't like him driving homeless people out of the city though, and I don't like his city-wide surveillence camera idea.

[Name removed]

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[nini]

40. Two reasons...

1. Ahnold has acted like a sensible moderate since he got bitch slapped over his proposals in his special election last year. People believe he's learned from his mistakes and like his moderate stance. He's actually done some things I commend him for such as the global warming laws etc.

2. Angelides is NO WHERE to be found. People are not going to vote for someone who doesn't even bother to campaign.



I don't trust Ahnold and will vote Dem, but I do know this election is already over. Angelides pisses me off that he's invisible during this campaign.

[junior college]

44. Phil was at SF State recently

speaking out against the war but a lot of anti-war student groups felt he was pandering for votes. Angelides also has taken hundreds of millions of dollars from people who develope tract homes and Wal Marts. I think the guy is sketchy. I think we're stuck with to rotten eggs here.

[nini]

46. He's not going to get anything done unless he's on TV

That's where people will get their info and decide. He's not visible to the masses.

[LibDemAlways]

65. I, too, am pissed at Angelides. It's as though

he decided he's not interested in the job. After winning a fierce battle against Westly, he just disappeared. I'd love to know what the hell is going on here.

[enki23]

49. makes me glad i didn't move to california after all

not that norm coleman is any better, of course. though at least he's not arnold fucking schwarzwhatever. that's just fucking embarassing.

shame, california. shame.

[MattP]

52. Norm

You have Norm Coleman and you are giving us grief about Ahnuld, at least we two female Dems in the Senate even though one leans a little to the right but she's no Norm Coleman.

[AlCzervik]

53. Angelides has more audio recordings of the Gropenfuher, he issued a

statement saying the if the gov. didn't make them public then Agelides own campaign would.

[Divine Discontent]

54. why are calee-for-nyuns

not rallying behind one candidate??? I just saw there's 3 other candidates against him who get a lot of support. WTH? guvanator has to love that. sheesh, Cali, any of them have to be better than that annoying man.

[mitchtv]

57. Because Angelides is hiding

took a vacation (LIKE KERRY) after the primary and doesn't answer the negative ads . He is not running ads, He is not well known. I'm beginning to suspect he is taking money to not campaign. Not on single fucking Pro Angelides ad ( 2 Arnold is Bush ads, that don't mention Phil run on cable at night)

[Divine Discontent]

74. that sounds VERY

bizarre indeed

[YvonneCa]

60. We haven't re-elected Arnold yet...

...could we maybe hold off on the attacks on California until AFTER the election ????:patriot:

[mitchtv]

66. Attacks are on the assholes running

Angelides' campaign.Obviously the same idiots who said Davis wouuld fight like a tiger for his job, then did nothing outside LA. WE have been BETRAYED. Heads must roll.

[Julius Civitatus]

63. Pathetic

:wtf:

[KamaAina]

67. Hasta la vista, Cali

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[Raine]

68. Angelides is MIA

in fact there is no action at all, no commercials, no sign of him...of course Arnie is going to win.

[Boo Boo]

76. Exactly. In SD County, Angelides is nowhere to be seen.

Doesn't he have any money? The few ads I'm seeing are negative attacks against Arnold, which, considering the lead he has, is understandable, but they don't seem very effective to me. It doesn't surprise me at all that Angelides is not getting independents; they've got no idea who he is. Besides, I know life-long Dems that are talking about voting for Arnold. Go figure. They think he's changed his stripes, I guess.

Whatever. If Angelides has a plan, he better start executing. The guy gives every impression of having packed it in. Maybe he thought winning the Primary was the big battle, and that beating Arnold was going to be an automatic? The Primary depleted his funds so bad that now he can't fight?

:shrug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

72. Perhaps it's evidence of vote and poll tampering.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

73. We shouldda run Westley..he was the better opponent 4 Schwarzenegger..

Why in God's name did the Dems in California pick Angelides???

No offense, but he looks like a computer geek and when you

put him up side by side with the Gropenator, he appears weak and

powerless. Unfortunately appearances count in politics.. so he

doesnt have a chance.. and please don't flame me.. I personally

research my candidates and issues b4 voting, but the general public

usually doesn't, so Westly, would have had a better shot.

God help us though because Arnold is gonna win and then he'll

show his true colors as a Bushite. I give him until January at the latest....

and then watch out California!!!! You'll be sorrrry...

[mitchtv]

77. Phil Stood up againt Arnold while Westley

was kissing the Groper's ass, that's why. For me Westley's negative ads won him the "Al Checchi Award" ie: the dustbin of history