Nancy Reagan opposes replacing FDR with Reagan on dimes

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/12/05/state2136EST0164.DTL

Nancy Reagan voiced her opposition Friday to an attempt by Republican lawmakers to put Ronald Reagan's likeness on the dime in place of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

"While I can understand the intentions of those seeking to place my husband's face on the dime, I do not support this proposal and I am certain Ronnie would not," the former first lady said in a statement released Friday.

"When our country chooses to honor a great President such as Franklin Roosevelt by placing his likeness on our currency, it would be wrong to remove him and replace him with another," she said. "It is my hope that the proposed legislation will be withdrawn."

Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., introduced the "Ronald Reagan Dime Act," in response to a TV movie depicting a doddering Reagan dominated by his wife. The movie is being aired on Showtime after CBS canceled its plans to air it last month, bowing to pressure from Reagan supporters.

[pasadenaboy]

1. Well, I give the Reagans props for this

Nancy showed class is coming out against this and respecting FDRs legacy.

[Kurovski]

5. Yep, the former first lady got it just right.

It was an obvious and nasty idea to begin with. Wasn't planting the seeds of destruction for FDR's programs enough for these ghouls?

[NashVegas]

58. You Gotta Hand it To Her

I loathed Nancy throughout the 1980s, but do admire her devotion to protecting her husband from this sort of exploitation.

[Hawkeye-X]

13. more importantly...

She doesn't want the Rethuglicans of today worshipping her husband. She wants her husband left alone. The paleocons are not the same as neocons anyway.

She also has a MAJOR feud with the Bushes. She hates them with a passion and doesn't want to do anything with them. Hopefully Nancy can wise up and go Dem after Ronnie dies.

[roguevalley]

17. She HATES the neo-cons and Christian nutcases. She HATES them.

[janx]

65. Well her husband was the ones to bring the nutcases into

that party, to a large degree. I wonder how she felt about it then.

[LiberalFighter]

85. Could it be because of the "queen bitch" barbara bush?

[kysrsoze]

14. You know, I never really hated Reagan,

I thought he was a nice guy, but extremely misguided. I just don't think he had a clear view of reality - probably didn't know much about the whole Iran-Contra thing. I have to say I hated Bush Sr. though, and I think he was behind all that.

[MinnFats]

40. hated him since i first heard of him.

...which was about in 1967 when he ws gov. of calif.
met with UC faculty to discuss campus unrest over Vietnam War.
became frustrated and before he stomped out, he said (of protesters occupying campus buildings, etc: "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement."

he was willing to let the streets of California university towns run red with the blood of students because of their overzealous protests.

i suppose he is harmless now. but he has much to answer for when he finally stands before the Creator to account for his life.

[GCP]

52. Yeah, I've hated him since then, also

Many people nowadays weren't around during that time. He was a disaster as governor of California.
Didn't he bring out the National Guard against college protesters?

[CheshireCat]

92. You're right

Most people today weren't here to remember Reagan in the 60's. He hated the protesters more than Nixon. He once said that if protesters stepped in front of his car, he would run them down.

Hard to believe that today, Reagan is seen as a moderate. I considered him to be rabidly rightwing.

My hat is off to Nancy Reagan for standing up to the jerks that want to use Ray-gun for their own political gain.

[kysrsoze]

98. Wow, I stand corrected

Yeah, you don't hear about that. Oh well, fuck 'im. May he continually rot with those attitudes.

[0007]

49. Ronnie baby was easily manipulated.

He was mindless.

[ablbodyed]

51. I loathed poppy....

ALWAYS. Saw him as a sanctimonious manipulator from the start. When he had 91% approval ratings after the first Gulf war (which his policies caused BTW) I said that he would not BE ELECTED IN '92. Boy was I MOCKED. I had an intuition, mixed with wishful thinking, but I was right.

[conservdem]

55. Agreed.

[Myra]

71. Yeah, I'm stunned. I've never heard her (dare I say) likable before.

Well, I believe Bush tried to kill her husband.
Maybe she believes it as well.

[calimary]

90. Never thought I'd be able to say I like Nancy Reagan.

But seems she's got a better head on her shoulders than most of her fellow republi-CONS. And learning that she, like her son Ron Junior, are supporters of stem-cell research, is also a little tiny bit of salve to many wounds.

Too bad this all occurs in the shadow of all the damage her husband has left behind. I hate to see people suffering through a "long goodbye" due to the slow decline of a loved one (I went through it with my dad, and I suspect I am even now starting down that road again with my mom now). But it still strikes me as so cosmically ironic that Ronnie's strident right-wing opposition to a woman's right to choose (the main reason the Bible-thumpers condemn stem-cell research) would come back to bite him in the ass. He'd certainly have been an early beneficiary of it, had it been allowed to proceed unhindered.

[dsc]

2. Good for her

I honestly mean that. I don't have very much respect for either Reagan but even they can be right once in awhile.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

101. Like the proverbial broken watch...

...that's right at least twice a day.

Give her credit. She could have remained silent on the issue, and this will certainly kill any momentum it may have had.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

102. Like the proverbial broken watch...

...that's right at least twice a day.

Give her credit. She could have remained silent on the issue, and this will certainly kill any momentum it may have had.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

3. If they really want to honor Reagan's legacy to this country,

They should put the image of a homeless family on the dime.

[otohara]

4. Whoa - Speechless

Nancy Pants aka Mommie - does the right thing. Good for her!

[tinrobot]

6. Wow....

I hope this puts the issue to rest. Nancy gets a big gold star.

[Old and In the Way]

7. Very interesting.

Wow, I think I just heard another Republican propaganda bubble burst. I guess that stops a movement dead in it's tracks.

I wish she'd take it up a notch and send a message to the Reagan Democrats/Republicans that she and Ron are very concerned about the state of the Republican Party today. Probably won't but she should be concerned for her kids' sake.

[dweller]

25. Yeah, and i'd like to see

some flowers sent to her, from the Dems, Du'ers and anyone who appreciates her honesty on this issue.

She and her family are likely gathering to bury the husband, father and family member who is being touted as some Republic idol, now being twisted in the wind, propagandized and gilded as a right wing victorian all for the vain glory of a *moron.

get over it if you wish them ill. All you are doing is sending more vibes out in the universal ether and giving the media and the rabid right more ammo.

The little bitty has just put the chickenhawk chumps in place. Good for her.

dp

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

39. Could you see freepers turning on her if she did

[NewYorkerfromMass]

100. Freepers agree with Nancy (for the most part)

ALthough the really delusional ones want to hold out for something bigger- paper currency or (LOL!) Mt. Rushmore!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1035177/posts

[LiberalFighter]

86. Especially since she was the driving force

to make Reagan a republican.

As for her concern for her kids... If the movie was any indication I doubt that she does.

[htuttle]

8. Never would have guessed...

...that Nancy Reagan would even have a line that could be crossed.

Remarkable. Kind of emphasizes how just how shameless the current crowd in office is.

[Name removed]

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[Media_Lies_Daily]

20. "...with the majority of the voters against our party..."???? What??

Where are you getting that? From GOP propaganda?

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

26. Seems to me the majority of voters voted FOR our party

It was just a parlor trick that landed * in the WH.

[Piperay]

45. "OUR" party????

Don't you mean THEIR party???? :wtf: Their party is the one that had to have the USSC give them the election, we beat them on votes. Also what does the Democratic party have to do with a movie that Hollywood produced and any inaccuracies included in it? :shrug:

[ablbodyed]

53. Foolish....

it was a movie!!!!!!! NOT NOT NOT NOT a documentary that is claiming to show truth through scholarship. It was entertainment. I remember Reagan's performance at the debate in '84. I remember saying, "Better Reagan asleep than Mondale awake (so I was stupid!!!!!). He was showing signs of mental incompetence then. He was USED to promote policies that were the work of underlings.
For us to curl up and REACT all the time is fatal. Read today's articles: The 'thugs always attack and that's how they win.

[Cooley Hurd]

10. If I were Ronnie, I'd be embarased by such fervency in my name...

Removing FDR would be highly disrespectful to his memory, and I wouldn't want to be associated with such a crass move. Obviously, Nancy knows this would be a disrespectful act.

This ranks up there with that twit congresswoman who proposed we repatriate our war dead from the cemeteries of France.

[Kinkistyle]

11. How much you wanna bet they tell Nancy to shut-up?

Repugs have their own agenda whether the Reagans support it or not. They would probably just tell Nancy to shove it.

[Hawkeye-X]

16. Ronald Reagan was once...

A New Deal Democrat long before he turned conservative due to high taxes that he had to pay as an actor. I know that Ronnie probably has respect for FDR and probably told Nancy to make sure the legacy continues.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. He also named names and got people blacklisted in Hollywood...

...while working very closely with J. Edgar Hoover.

[Spider Jerusalem]

41. He would've had to've done it years ago, then...

the progression of his Alzheimer's has rendered him incapable of speech or any other sort of communication. There's no Reagan there anymore...just an empty sack of breathing meat.

[Rainbows]

81. Respectfully, ...

I dont't think he has enough of a brain left to do much communicating with Nancy, any longer.

[Melsky]

12. Good for her

bye the way, the Reagans do not like the Bushes at all. Ron Jr. especially dislikes Bush. I read an article in Salon where he trashes him.

[AlFrankenFan]

15. Woah

that's a surprise...

[CalebHayes]

18. Let's poll America??

Why not? I would be willing to change it if America said yes. Because THEY WILL NOT! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!

[ZenLefty]

19. She's holding out for the $100 bill.

Screw Franklin, he wasn't even a president.

[foxy]

35. I'm waiting for you Y'Know

It's that cow thing

[LiberalFighter]

87. My suggestion is the $1000 bill

Of course it is no longer printed. But when it was it had Samuel Chase. And after reading "The Life of Thomas Jefferson: In Pursuit of Reason" I think Chase should never had been included.

[Guaranteed]

22. Is that humility? Class?

Maybe a little of both. Impressive.

[Zuni]

23. Way to go, Nancy!

I never hated the Reagans the way I hate the Bushes. Reagan, although he had some very bad policies, also did some good by trying to force the cold war to a conclusion. My family is from the Soviet Union, and when I was younger I can remember them talking about Reagan being President with pride, because he was the only President in their memory who understood how to deal with the Soviets (my family's mortal enemy). Maybe that has always colored my opinion of Reagan, but I have never hated him.
Another thing---Reagan had very strong beliefs. He fe3lt communism and the spread of communism were truly the most dangerous thing in the world in the 1970s and 1980s---he truly believed it.
Bush was a non-believer, a Kissinger realpolitik guy who never got along with Reagan.

[lebkuchen]

24. Nancy has seen the Bushies use her husband as a photo op too many times

when he had no idea what was going on.

The dime is the GOP's self-aggrandizing effort to use his face after his heart stops beating, for their own political gain. Tasteless.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

27. And for target practice, too.

:tinfoilhat:

[lebkuchen]

31. I guess that's why the fundies opted for the dime, eh?

Too many stealthy retired SF roaming the Black Hills for the GOP's comfort...

[bluestateguy]

28. That's it. The idea is no DOA

Moving on now...

[VolcanoJen]

29. An Open Letter to Nancy Reagan.

I'm sorry, Nancy.

Sure, it was the '80's, and it was swingin', and I had a great time, and capitalism was at its gluttonous peak, but it was really hard being a Democrat back then. I said lots and lots of nasty thing about you, Mrs. Reagan. I'll admit it. And believe you me, the astrologers comprised the very least of my merry-making at your expense.

I am truly sorry, and I am pleased that you have made the eloquent statement that you did. It would appear, after all, that you get it; that the elevation of your husband to immortality sort-of rubs you the wrong way. I always knew you were a Hollywood gal, that you were in on things, that you understood, and celebrated, real things and real people. And legacies. History, of course, and art, and beauty, and the lack thereof.

Thank you for the things you have said, and thank you for saving the legacy of our nation, even when only represented by a token, a ducat, no matter how small and symbolic your role may be. I'm impressed beyond my wildest dreams by your grace and dignity. The power of your voice during these times resonates among your peers, in tandem with your detractors. That's quite a feat, and is small only in the eyes of the cynical.

Again, I'm sorry. If it's any consolation at all, it was the '80's, after all.

With all respect,
Jennifer

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

30. Ronnie can't remember but he thinks it's ok if they're "aluminum" dimes

?

[fleetus]

32. Great thread... warms the heart

Good to hear this new development. I also really liked reading all the responses to this news. Quite an amazing response we have when a republican has the moxy to point out the absurdity of a neocon proposal. Someone suggested sending the Regans flowers and it kind of seems like a decent idea. I've been so blown away by the complete bullshit coming out of the right for years that when a republican says something that actually makes sense I just want to give them a hug and say, "thank God there is a shread of humanity left in you." With a most of the right these days... I just can't believe they are representitives of actual human beings.

[jobycom]

33. It's a good idea, I say do it

Reagan was the worst thing this nation's ever seen. I prefer W any day. That piece of shit Reagan brought racism back to the south, he kicked off his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, which at the time was famous only for being the site of the murder of three civil rights workers, he told southerners that they could forget about civil rights and continue to hate.

He escalated tensions with the Soviets, bled them dry in a false arms race until they had no hope of making a smooth transition to capitalism. They were so weak from the start of his campaign that he funneled money to them to prop them up so they could continue to provide us with an enemy.

His bigotry let AIDS develop beyond the point of containment.

He sold weapons to a nation that had declared war on us, then diverted those funds to terrorist organizations in Central America who slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians, including a handful of AMerican priests and nuns. That was treason on both ends of the transaction. And while selling weapons secretely to Iran, he was publicly supplying Iraq with weapons to fight the Iranians, thus he supplied both sides with enough weapons to slaughter each other well beyond the normal economic limits of war. Without him, the world truly would be a kinder, gentler place.

He drove us into the deepest deficit in human history, drove wages down while drivig the top rung of income earners into the economic stratosphere. He cut spending on education, crime, drug prevention, and mental health, creating the education, crime and homeless problem.

And he brought divide and conquer politics to its zenith.

All Republican politics since that filth has been commentary on that filth. Bush is a child trying to imitate the bitter hatred of that piece of garbage. His current medical condition almost seems like punishment from a fair minded god.

With the way America is going now, take FDR off our money, take Washington and Lincoln and all the rest off our money. We could honor them more by disassociating their memories from the current filth in control. Put on both Bushes, and Reagan, and Arnold, and Ann Coulter. Leave Andrew Jackson on the money, though-- Reagan would have liked his genocidal ass.

Those who are remembering Reagan as not quite as bad as W don't remember Reagan, or weren't paying attention as closely. He was worse. He made W possible, at a time when it looked like conservatives were dead and buried.

Okay, I'll take a breath now.

[jobycom]

34. Oh, and BTW, the only reason Nancy is being gracious on this

Is because she knows it's out of her hands and she could win more brownie points by appearing humble. If there was a chance it Hell it could happen, she'd be secretely lobbying everyone she knew with every ounce of bitter bile that she possesses-- and that's a lot.

Come to think of it, she probably is, anyway, despite her public proclamations.

[SilasSoule]

44. Great rant jobycom

Some really good stuff there. Thanks for that.

[economic justice]

50. What???????????????/

"Reagan was the worst thing this nation's ever seen. I prefer W any day."

That's just crazy!

Your post is so riddled with factual errors, I wouldn't know where to begin. I was not, and am certainly not now, a Ronald Reagan fan. Far from it.........but this post of yours is way over the top. If you would really take George W. Bush "any day" over Reagan (or ANYONE!).....I really don't know what to say.

"Those who are remembering Reagan as not quite as bad as W don't remember Reagan, or weren't paying attention as closely."

I was paying attention! There was little to like during the Reagan years. But.....I do NOT buy this crap that RR laid the groundwork for George W. Bush (policy wise). It's just absurd. RR's foreign policy was NOT "neocon"......his vice-president sure as hell was and from everything I have read since Reagan left office, he felt betrayed by the neocons around him. Again.....I don't really know how to respond. There is something much deeper between the lines in the post....but hell if I can find it.

By the way, Nancy's move was classy to issue the statement in an attempt to end this silly dime change. It is clear the family is OPPOSED to this move.

[Rainbows]

79. Flip a coin on economics, but...

They have both been disasterous for the working stiff of this country, Reagan was just smoother than W. The biggest difference between the two is you never felt Reagan would lead to annilation, with Bush I'm chilled to the bone. W and the neocons resraint from nuclear weapons is nearly none and if they had their choice I feel they would rather use mini nukes than conventional weapons or forces anyday. Bush wins hands down as the worst and scariest president I've see in my life, and I started with Truman.

[underpants]

61. "They pick up welfare checks in Cadillacs"

Jesus why not go for the whole load and say they were eating a bucket of fried chicken and bouncing a basketball????

Probably the most racist thing said by a President in the last 50 years.

Looking back the Reagan years were incredibly destructive but I never really thought Ronnie was calling the shots he just read the script. Poppa Bush was among the masterminds of all this but I will give it to Nancy for stepping up on this. Not that it will stop the zealots.

[davidinalameda]

36. I'll second the props to Nancy

She almost came out and endorsed McCain in 2000 but really couldn't due to her status as former first lady and basically the voice of Ronnie and that would have been over-stepping the boundaries or something like that

She doesn't like the Bushies.

[underpants]

62. Yep you may not agree with her but her loyalty is without question

I don't agree with vast amounts of things she has done and said (the War on Drugs :eyes: ) but no one can question he absolute focus on her husband and standing by him.

Nothing she says however will deter Souder and the rest of the zealots.

[Journeyman]

37. John Wayne hated Orange County Airport. . .

its planes flew directly over his home in Newport Beach and he fought its expansion throughout the last three decades of his life. So when the county supervisors wanted to change the airport's name at the time of his death, Wayne's family fought it all the way. Despite his lifelong opposition to the airport, and his family's strident objection to the use of his name on the airport he hated so much, the county government blindly went forth with their assinine plan to change the airport's name. So much as I admire Nancy Reagan's principled objections, I don't foresee this issue is anywhere near finished.

[ibegurpard]

38. I didn't like Reagan

And I have often wondered whether my repulsion at Bush and the current state of the Republican Party was a result of my being more politically aware now or whether he and they really ARE more heinous. The fact that Nancy doesn't condone this reassures me that Republicans ARE worse now.

[Ellen Forradalom]

42. Ronnie's not dead yet...

Kind of ghoulish of those Reagan worshippers to act as if he were, isn't it?

[Spider Jerusalem]

43. Oh, but he is.

In every way that matters, the man is dead. His brain is gone, he can't speak, can't feed himself, doesn't recognise anyone or anything around him; can't form new memories, and all his old ones are gone, too. Ronald Reagan is, for all intents and purposes, dead. What's left is the animatronic meat-puppet that used to be Reagan. AStill, the Republican hero-worship is unseemly. It's almost as if this veneration of a still-living (although only marginally) ex-president is in part designed to acclimate the public to the cult of personality as a fixture. The whole thing is rather creepy, if you really think about all the ramifications and implications.

[Piperay]

46. Nancy has class

unlike the stepford wife who is now First "Lady".

[maxanne]

60. oh yeah

she was a class act buying ugly expensive White House china during the recession in the 80's. She was particularly classy when "borrowing" and failing to return designer clothing and jewelry.

If she's against this idea, it's because the dime is insignificant. If they wanted to put his face on the $50 or the $100 she'd be singing a different tune.

[Rainbows]

66. Disagree totally

I think she might be more concerned with depreciating the dime. Besides, it would be like leaving it blank. How you put a pin head on a dime?

[maxanne]

72. bwaahahahahaha

welcome to DU, Rainbows! :yourock:

[Rainbows]

82. Thank You ...

Fun site and informative as well as friendly. Lots of brain food and different perspective to make us all hesitate, and think. Thanks again. :)

[calimary]

91. Welcome from me, too!

You'll find lots of rawther interesting minds here.

[Rainbows]

96. Yep of all kinds ...

and Thank You for your welcome!!! :)

[Piperay]

97. True...

I was just trying to find something nice to say about her for this one time when she actually came down on the correct side.:shrug: Nancy was always snotty, arrogant and oblivious. :puke:

[DeepModem Mom]

47. They want to erase our history....

The zealots in power remind me more and more somehow of Stalin, with their propaganda and cult of personality. Who would have thought Nancy Reagan would step in with such appropriate words: "When our country chooses to honor a great President such as Franklin Roosevelt...." Aside from the New Deal, FDR led us through WW II. This is OUR country, and FDR is an indelible part of OUR history -- these people would like to steal our national heritage.

[trapper914]

48. The Right Has Been Targeting FDR

Even before the dime proposal, I've been hearing more and more right wingers trying to shoot holes in FDR's record. It's amazing to me that they want revise history so that FDR comes across as the devil, and Joe McCarthy is a saint. It's not enough to spin in 2003, they want to spin history now too. The Reagan dime proposal is an extension of that.

[ablbodyed]

54. Oh, yes, remember that he....

allowed Pearl Harbor to happen. That's been going around since 1942. There are web sites devoted to it. think they're run by neocon thugs?

[conservdem]

56. Are they like the dems that think Bush allowed 9/11?

[NNN0LHI]

57. No there was a big difference. FDR wanted an investigation of the attack.

And the first one began within days of the attack on December 7, 1941 which indicated he had nothing to hide. Bush on the other hand has been fighting tooth and nail, and dragging his feet against an investigation since September 11, 2001. He only allowed one when he was able to set the ground rules and the inverstigation was not allowed to delve into what he knew and when he new it. Do you see any difference?

Don

The Knox Investigation
Dec. 9-14, 1941.

The Roberts Commission
Dec. 18-January-23, 1941

The Hart Investigation
Feb. 12-June 15, 1944

The Army Pearl Harbor Board
Jul. 20-Oct. 20, 1944

The Navy Court of Inquiry
Jul. 24-Oct. 19, 1944.

The Clarke Investigation
Aug. 4-Sep 20, 1944

The Clausen Investigation
Jan. 24-Sep. 12, 1945

The Hewitt Inquiry
May 14-July 11, 1945

The Joint Congressional Committee
Nov. 15, 1945-May 23, 1946

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/invest.html

[Cooley Hurd]

64. Thank you for putting it so succinctly, Don...

The charge that FDR LIHOPed Pearl Harbor is baseless. Yes, FDR wanted to be involved in the war in Europe (knowing the capitulation of the British Isles to Germany would be catastrophic to America, throwing the balance of power to the Germans), but was not as keen about a war w/ Japan. Plus (a very important point), FDR was a navy man (asst secretary of the navy under Wilson) and the thought he would sacrifice the Pacific Fleet to get us into a conflict with Japan is just plain ludicrous. And I doubt that FDR would've been so keen on Pearl Harbor inquiries if he had something to hide.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

68. Have you read "Day of Deceit" by Stinnett? If you had, you wouldn't...

...have posted your comments.

[Cooley Hurd]

77. No but I've read enought about Franklin Roosevelt that...

...I'm very confident in my comments. Also, Robert B. Stinnett's previous book was about George Bush's heroic experiences in WW2 (see where I'm going with this?).

No offense, but you've been duped by yet another right wing attempt to smear FDR...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

67. No, sorry. Enacting a commission is the first thing a president...

...with even half a brain does when they're attempting to cover up their paticipation in a crime. Maybe you forgot LBJ and the Warren Commission.

The only difference I see between FDR covering up his role in allowing the attack on Pearl Harbor to take place and Junior allowing 911 to take place is that Junior is so incredibly arrogant that he thought he would NEVER have to deal with a 911 commission.

Much has been written about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, as the event that galvanized the previously isolationist American public to enter World War II. WWII Pacific Theater veteran Robert B. Stinnett recently wrote "Day of Deceit", published by Touchstone Books, 2000, in which he details previously unreleased military and government documents. He clearly documents the fact that we had broken the primary Japanese codes in early 1940.

Pearl Harbor 41 - Information & Discussion of " The day of infamy"
<http://www.pearlharbor41.com/1.htm>

December 7, 1941: A Setup from the Beginning
<http://www.independent.org/tii/news/001207Stinnett.html>

FDR had tried earlier to get the U. S. into the war in Europe without success. The American people had once again taken an isolationist view where nothing short of a major galvanizing event would cause them to consider participating in another World War. FDR used an eight-point plan developed by U.S. Navy Lt. Cdr. Arthur McCollum to provoke the Japanese into attacking our assets in the Pacific, assets that were moved into place from 1940 to just before the attack on Pearl Harbor.

The McCollum Memo - The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor
<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/>

Using the information supplied by the U.S. Navy from the broken codes, FDR was able to anticipate the Japanese moves in the Pacific, and was fully aware of the plans to attack the U. S. fleet at Pearl Harbor. As stated previously, this fleet had originally been based on the U. S. West Coast and was moved to Pearl Harbor over the objections of the fleet commander, Admiral Richardson. Japan was allied with Germany and Italy...any attack by Japan on U. S. assets in the Pacific would warrant a declaration of war against Japan. Because of Japan's alliances, that declaration of war would also involve the U.S. in the war in Europe against Germany and Italy, FDR's primary objective all along.

It was also well-known among the leaders of major U. S. business interests at that time that a major world war would result in enormous profits, both during and after the ending of the war. Ford, General Motors, and IBM were but a few of the major U. S. corporations that did quite well financially. Additionally, the Bush, Walker, and Harriman families were also among individual families that did quite well.

[Cooley Hurd]

78. You're getting your CT's from the wrong side...

1- LBJ had nothing to do with JFK's assassination (where do you get your information? Scott McClellan's father?)

2- The Bush, Walker and Harriman families were doing quite well by trading with Germany - that's why they opposed America's entry into WW2...

3- The "Day of Deceit" author's last book was a glowing account on how brave GHWB was in WW2 (when in fact he bailed from a perfectly good airplane, leaving his crewmates to ride it down to their deaths)...

Like I said, you might want to weigh your sources before posting your comments... :eyes:

[Orrin_73]

80. Libertarian (Raimondo) nutballs

also believe that FDR was behind the attack on Pearl Harbor.

[Cooley Hurd]

83. Did you read David Horowitz's book on the Roosevelt family?

About the Hyde Park and the Oyster Bay Roosevelts - as predicted, it slobbered all over Theodore (R) while trashing FDR (D). What a piece of shit book (written by a piece of shit neocon)...

[bleedingheart]

59. Nancy Reagan is a whole lot smarter than the RNC

and if you think about it, she probably has the sense to know that it would be better to honor her husband in a way that doesn't detract from someone else...it would make her husband look bad in the end.

[0007]

63. ...Another great president is ronnie baby?

Give me a break, Nasty Nancy!

[leesa]

69. Good deal! I was afraid I'd have to get angry all over again each

time I saw a dime.

[beawr]

70. Well......

National Airport in DC was actually named for George Washington, although folks must have believed it was just named for the city it serves, but no, it was named for George Washington and it sits on the George Washington Parkway on the way to Mt. Vernon. But of course HE didn't do as much for the USA as Reagan did, right?

If the Republicans need something to slap Reagan's face on, make it a new dollar coin, then at least it will get used in the Red States. Oh and maybe Mt. Vernon can gain some corporate sponsorship, maybe call it Mt. Vernon at Halliburton Heights.....I am so tired of my taxes supporting such obvious anti-Bush propaganda, I mean, a General that became President..

[absolutezero]

76. wanna clarify the last sentence?

"I am so tired of my taxes supporting such obvious anti-Bush propaganda, I mean, a General that became President.."

[KalicoKitty]

73. Next, they’ll want him on Mount Rushmore

Reagan had a lot in common with the Dimson...both dumb cowboys!

The people who want to worship his Alzheimer riddled mind must remember that his "achievements" had to be cleaned up by Congress and the following administrations. I don't mean any disrespect to people with Alzheimer's, but nobody with this disease has any business being POTUS.

Reagan was responsible for more national debt than all other presidents combined and nothing to show for it... He ran up the deficit. Like George Junior, he gave the wealthy huge tax cuts, and then there were the massive layoffs, tanked markets, bankruptcies, foreclosures, etc. There were no new safeguards for workers or the poor...instead the richest 1% got immeasurably richer at everyone else's expense.

He ignored the warning signs of the S&L scandal that broke during Poppy Bush's rein. (Remember Neil, the chimp-in-thief’s brother!!!)

Overseas there was Iran/Contra and a horse crap war in Grenada to divert people's attention from the servicemen he got killed. He ran up the deficit.

He is also responsible for not taking AIDS seriously at the beginning of the epidemic and was further responsible for the attitude that led to discrimination against people with AIDS. He would not fund research and services and even prohibited effective education of gay men.

I think he did too much of this:

[sleepyhead]

88. Oh, but they do!

Want him on Mt. Rushmore, I mean. They've been talking about that for 20 years. Phooey.

[TankLV]

74. I commend the Lady, in all sense the term implys.

I used to loath her, but she has been earning my respect one cell at a time.

Wish she'd give a little "talking to" to the rest of her idiotic party.

Or better yet, invite her to become a Dem and make Ronnie a Dem, again. THAT would put all their panties in a twist!

Having suffered all that she has these past few years, maybe she sees the wisdom of democratic positions on issues like public health, etc.

[OilemFirchen]

75. Here's a simple compromise

Put Reagan's disembodied head on an alternate coin, produced by, say, the Franklin Mint.

They, then, can compete against the evil gummint and let us choose which coin we want.

It's the essence of Reaganomics and, frankly, if they sell 'em for 9 cents apiece, even I'll buy 'em.

Let's put the Laffer back in the Laffer Curve!

[Rex]

84. Nancy shows the world the difference between paleo-cons and neo-cons

I will never forgive Raygun or any of the other paleo-cons for allowing the scum of the Earth (Newt, Rush, etc) to take over their party. The went along for the ride because these asswipes played to their egos and dumped truckloads of cash into their laps.

Good to see Nancy showing these scummy Neos what class looks like.

[no one in particular]

93. Reagan was the bridge from paleos to neos.

Reagan was much too forceful in foreign relations to be a true paleo-con. In fact, the neo-cons consider him a "founding father" of the movement.

[Gman]

94. As much as I dislike the Reagans

This is a class move by Nancy.

I'm watching the movie right now. I don't think Reagan would even have an opinion that Nancy didn't tell him he has.

[goforit]

89. WOW!!!!......She can't stand * running on her husband's name!!!!

Way to go Nancy!!!!!

(I never thought I would say that)

[montana_hazeleyes]

95. I give the lady props for this and

I remember how when Jackie Kennedy died Nancy Reagan gave her sincere praise and respect.
I also respect her fierce loyalty to her husband.

[SquireJons]

99. Don't get too excited

As Bill Clinton said... "Even a blind hog can find an acorn once in a while." But still, hats off to Nancy on this one. Of course, maybe she's worried about the next congress undoing the propaganda moves by republicans over the last few years. Like renaming National Airport Reagan International, and naming an aircraft carrier after him. All of these were unprecedented moves at that point. No living president has ever been so honored, and it certainly is an insult to the large number of people who opposed Reagan’s policies.