Kerry uses F-word in anti-Bush tirade

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35997

Democrat presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry launches an X-rated attack on President Bush over Iraq and uses the F-word in a new interview with Rolling Stone magazine.

Kerry uses the expletive to describe his frustration over how voting for the war resolution has hurt his candidacy while Democrat front-runner Hower Dean is breaking ahead of the pack due in part to his opposition to the war, reports the New York Post.

''I voted for what I thought was best for the country. Did I expect Howard Dean to go off to the left and say, 'I'm against everything'? Sure. Did I expect George Bush to f - - - it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did,'' Kerry told the magazine.

Stephen Hess, a Brookings Institution presidential scholar, says he can't recall another candidate attacking a president by using foul language in a public interview, according to the paper.

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For mp3 explanation of the above adjective:
http://media.de.indymedia.org/media/2003/03/44621.mp3
Bwahaaahahaha! You go, John!
(This is a real rag, but I love the quote.

[DeathvadeR]

1. It's about time the anger is rearing its ugly head!!!!!!

[Just Me]

78. 'bout time,...

and I challenge everyone to take it to the "truth" level,...hello, John,...you trusted him and he f*cked you,...

,...I do not get why they (those who voted for and initially supported the war) just don't admit that they freakin' trusted Bush and his henchmen,...earnestly believed they were telling the truth, for Christ's sake!!! WHAT,...they can't handle being duped like the common American citizen was by all that war propaganda? C'mon,...be real, be human!!!

[priller]

81. But it seems like his anger is at Dean as much as Bush

Kerry doesn't seem to realize that Bush f---ing it up so bad is his golden opportunity to defeat him. Focus on the REAL enemy, John!

[phirili]

2. And I endorse every word Kerry said.

[The Zanti Regent]

99. Too little, too late from Ozzy Kerry

Sorry, but it's too late. His lame Ozzy Osbourne impersonation is only pounding more nails in the coffin!

[VolcanoJen]

3. I endorse his usage as well!!

Can't wait to read the Rolling Stone interview!

[salinen]

7. He could have said it

without referencing Dean.

[pinto]

4. mean he said fraud? n/t

[Ladyhawk]

5. The fundies won't like it,

but they don't like liberals anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

My opinion on "bad" words: How can a word be bad in and of itself? That makes no sense at all. It seems almost superstitious. A word doesn't hurt anybody. Fuckety fuck fuck fuck." There. Did that prick your skin? Was it harmful to you in any way?

Ugh. I have spoken.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

8. Fundies are noisier than they are numerous... They also are not prone

to reading.

A lesson on the adjective may be heard here: http://media.de.indymedia.org/media/2003/03/44621.mp3

[mobuto]

13. Fundies are also not going to vote for John Kerry anyway

Sorry, but the only scenario in which I see Alabama Pentacostalists turning out in droves for a Catholic liberal Democrat from Massachusetts is if his opponent is a Gay Mexican Jew married to a black man.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

16. I don't know... I think they'd have to think pretty hard about it.

:evilgrin:

[gristy]

30. That is SOOOOoooo funny!

:D

[Poiuyt]

56. I love it!!

Fuckety, fuck, fuck, fuck.

It's my new favorite saying!

[GCP]

97. Fundies don't usually read Rolling Stone

Thankfully, we have some quasi-liberal outlets they don't usually besmirch with their shrill complaining and whining about this country is being dragged straight down to hell by the "secularists".

[kskiska]

6. Didn't * use that word in the Oval Office?

Remember back when they decided to invade Iraq? "F**k Saddam!" he yelled, sending Condi scurrying for cover.

Then there was the time * and Crashcart referred to Adam Clymer as an a**hole.

[stevedeshazer]

44. Barry Commoner, 1980

Candidate for the Citizens Party. Used "bullshit" in a campaign ad, it was protected as free speech.

<snip>
Remember 1980? That year Barry Commoner formed the Citizens Party, galvanizing those disenchanted with Carter's conservatism in a noble run for the presidency. But the only time the national press noticed his campaign was when the word "bullshit" was used in a radio commercial.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/24/14/edit2414.html

[Kolesar]

62. I went to Citizen's Party meetings that year

At Purdue when I was in college.

[baby_bear]

9. Well, ExCUUUUUUse me, Mr. Hess

<snip>
''It's so unnecessary," Hess told the Post. ''In a way it's a kind of pandering to a group he sees as hip . . . I think John Kerry is going to regret saying this.''

</snip>

Good grief. It's a commonly used colloquial verb (in that context), Hess. Get your nose out of the stratosphere.

s_m

[ibegurpard]

11. Hip or not...and it doesn't mean I'm now supporting Kerry

but absolutely NOTHING will ever be able to detract from the pleasure of hearing "bush" and "fuck-up" in the same sentence coming from the mouth of a Presidential candidate.

[aquart]

32. True.

[pinto]

12. and pretty friggen accurate in this context

[calimary]

63. How 'bout we say ... fuck YOU, Mr. Hess!

[Emboldened Chimp]

10. X-Rated? Hardly.

The MPAA would give that an R.

Way to go, Kerry!

[mumon]

14. Dean responds to Kerry by claming George W. Bush is a "c*cksucker."

Howard Dean today said he basically agrees with Kerry's position, and calls George W. Bush a "c*cksucker" for the Project for a New American Century.

He said that "Dick" Cheney is appropriately named, since he's at heart a m*therf*cker.

In addition, he referred to Condolezza Rice as "two-bit crack whore," and Donald Rumsfeld as a "pig-f*cker."

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

17. LOL.... I can't wait until the next debate.

[mumon]

20. Yeah, I'd love to see the profanity escalate!

And, like that "shit" episode on South Park, I guarantee that the more they use salty sailor language, the higher in popularity they'd go.


I remember back in 1980 when Barry Commoner was running for president, and he put out an ad that said "That's bullshit!"

The radio stations couldn't censor the ad, 'cause it was "political speech."

The most honest ad campaign I ever heard for an election- and beats the pants off the namby-pamby ads we see today, with all the motherhood and applie pie.

[saigon68]

82. TWO BIT CRACK HO

Please get the syntax and dialect correct.

[cliss]

15. Let's see, Kerry is upset

because he endorsed the US going to war in Iraq. He realized now, in the 11th hour, that Bush and his coterie of clowns fucked it up. He had faith that it would be a success, and now to his chagrin he sees that it's not.

To make matters worse, Dean voted against going to war, and he's now using it as political $$millions to gather support for himself.

Well, I would say that Kerry should have used better judgement before signing on the dotted line. After all, he is a decorated VietNam war veteran. He, unlike Bush, knows what war is all about, and yet he gave this fool the green light.

So he's justified in cussing, I think.

[Emboldened Chimp]

18. Yeah, he should've said

what the fuck was I thinking?

[0007]

58. Amen!

[curse10]

22. Ummm

Dean didn't vote for anything.

[Emboldened Chimp]

24. Nice catch!

[Jacobin]

43. Maybe he'll do better than Kerry and not get "fooled", (translate:

make decisions that he thinks are popular as opposed to RIGHT)

[wryter2000]

49. Dean didn't vote against the war

Dean wasn't in Congress. He didn't get a vote. Please, I'm a Deanie, but my guy didn't vote against the war.

[KittyWampus]

71. Yeah, But Dean HIMSELF Claimed Top Have Voted Against It

once on the campaign trail.

[DemOutWest]

91. Dean did not

vote against anything! He was for the war just as 95% of the US was for. Convienent that he became Anti-war when it was popular.

DemOutWest.

[Demobrat]

19. So, nobody thought Bush would fuck it up this bad,

huh, John? Well, I thought he would. Maybe I should be president.

[virtualobserver]

33. At least he is finally admitting it....

I guess that's a good first step.

[SmokeyBlues]

21. Is Kerry exhibiting a little 'hot anger'?

B-)

[virtualobserver]

35. Calculated "hot anger"

It must have tested well in the focus groups.

[Rose Siding]

57. The language tested well with Rolling Stone readers!

If Dean had said it the squawking about electability in the general would be *deafening*

[_NorCal_D_]

23. Well said Kerry!

B-)

[Jack Rabbit]

25. When Bush said of Saddam

"Fuck him; he's going down!" did anybody in the corporate or rightwing media make a big thing out of it?

I can think of more polite terms for what Bush did in Iraq; but this one is as good as any.

[RedSock]

26. * on saddam

It was "F*ck him. We're taking him out!"

Such a nice Christian boy.

[Emboldened Chimp]

31. What about when he called the NY Times reporter an Asshole?

Did anyone care? Of course not.

[david_vincent]

68. And don't forget

that when a reporter asked him what he and his father talked about when no one else was around, he replied, "pussy."

[Fixated]

27. Who was it that Bush called an asshole?

Recall this before 2000? He accidentally said it into the mic I believe...who was it?

[ibegurpard]

28. A reporter named Adam Clymer (?) I believe.

n/t

[mobuto]

29. Adam Clymer

Bush called him a "Major League Asshole from the New York Times" - which is the greatest endorsement any reporter can receive (at least in my book) from George W. Bush.

[Fixated]

34. Yes!

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/09/04/cuss_word/

[Malva Zebrina]

36. It won't resonate well with a lot of people

no matter how poignant the use of profanity--trust me.

[Occulus]

90. "Did I expect him to f*ck it up

as bad as he did?"

Not only will it resonate well, I've heard it from people who voted for the man. It already is resonating, and was doing so before Kerry ever opened his mouth.

[Jacobin]

37. What is soooooo outrageous about this is that:

If you read the interview...he's not mad about screwing up and voting for a war that is a disaster and is killing thousands of people for no reason.

He's mad because he made a decision that has destroyed his presidential ambitions. Well, he was warned, BIG TIME. and he chose to ignore the signs.

and if Kerry doesn't already know that Smirk fucks up EVERYTHING he touches, then Kerry is stupid.

No thank you. I don't want ANY kind of asshole like that as president.

He sounds downright Bushonian!!!

[eileen_d]

85. What a bunch of horseshit.

"I'm smarter than Kerry! I have 20-20 hindsight! I've never been a senator yet I could do a better job!"

[Mechatanketra]

103. 20-20 hindsight my ass.

What's even MORE outrageous than what Jacobin reflected on is this meme wherein people who were vocally against war before the resolution (like most DUers who complain about Kerry), often to the point of having written letters and/or phoned the offices of folks like Kerry who would go on to vote for the war anyhow, are now ridiculed for not understanding what a tough call it was to make and how arrogant it is to assume we know better than the pro-war crowd -- when every fact now agrees with the anti-war position. There are no WMDs in Iraq, and Iraq posed no credible threat to the USA, short of whatever citizens we send there to be shot -- in short, no valid cause for a war. Apparently, being right is now a mental flaw, and being wrong is a sign of brainpower. Whee.

To be blunt: hell yes, I (and everyone who argued against the IWR) was smarter than Kerry (on this issue), and hindsight has -- to use his phrase -- f*** all to do with it. If this is what senatorial experience gets us, maybe we need more people who've never been a senator before.

[NNN0LHI]

38. That is exactly how he should have said it. How many other...

...Americans fell for the same BS? My guess is plenty.

Don

[virtualobserver]

40. But why did he fall for it?

and what else would he fall for?

[NNN0LHI]

51. Let me try and explain it to you why

It all began on 9/11/01 when this country was attacked and nearly 3000 people died. After that many Americans wanted vengeance for what happened that day. And not necessarily against the people who attacked us, but against any Arab. Bush and his minions used this want for vengeance to their advantage and scared the hell out of the majority of Americans with the help from ours and the British intelligence community, and the mass media very well. They suceeded in convincing over 70% of this country that Iraq was a threat to them and could attack America at a moments notice. Some of us did not buy into all the BS. But those few were mainly people like myself who are retired and were able spend hours researching the sublect daily. Though even after all this research many people, includingig myself still assumed that Iraq had some type of WMD programs still active. Even though Kerry and others expressed dout about the Iraq threat, with lives on the line he had a tough choice to make. Either vote for giving Bush the authorization to invade if there was no other choice, or take the chance of losing many lives and vote against the authorization. He did not have the luxury to sit back and wait 60 days as some politicians were suggesting. He was forced to make a decision. Right or wrong, I know in Kerry's heart he felt he was doing his best to protect America. Hope that explains it for you?

Don

[virtualobserver]

59. I understand what you are saying........

My perspective is that it was pretty obvious months before the IWR that Bush was pushing B.S. as evidence and that he was hell-bent on war.

I just can't be enthusiastic during the primaries about a candidate who voted for the IWR when I knew that it was a bad idea AND totally unnecessary. It isn't that Bush screwed up the IRAQ situation, he attempted to do the impossible. It is like the line in the movie "War Games"...."the only winning move is not to play".

I don't fault the average person for not seeing it, and I'm not saying that Kerry's position was an easy one. I can live with him making a mistake, and if he wins the nomination, I will vote for him enthusiatically.

[eileen_d]

87. AAH! IT STINGS!

DU is being blinded by the OBVIOUS! ;)

Seriously, I agree with your explanation.

[Jacobin]

42. How many millions of protesters protested? How many tens of thousands

of faxes and emails did he get, from DU alone?

All the evidence necessary to prove that this war of aggression was not about WMD was there. He had only to open his eyes.

This isn't about "what everybody else" might have thought by giving this a look in passing. This is about a vote to send people to die in an invasion where there is no threat of an attack against our country.

And this from a vietnam vet.

Disgusting. Still makes me retch when I think about it.

[NNN0LHI]

52. See post #51

[Malva Zebrina]

54. I agree

millions took to the streets. Millions e-mailed thier representatives who summarily ignored the people. Millions all over the world protested with all they could muster--it was ignored. We were shove aside with virtually no one paying attention to us because they were looking out for their own political necks. Period.With the exception of Dennis Kucinich, and a woman called Barbara Lee. Now the smart asses who were playing the game are wont to catch up. We knew it--how come they didn't?

[Terwilliger]

39. hey, what happened to cold anger?

when is Kerry going to get a clue?

[pinto]

41. could have been when we

Invaded Iraq to protect ourselves from another 9/11 which was actually perpetrated by a group operating out of Afghanistan and funded by Saudi Arabia, called al Qaeda, then lied about the whole context, and said we were knights in shining armor delivering democracy to a waiting populace, who actually wanted to overthrow the Ba'athists, who killed their family, and so what about WTC, then said we were there to reconstruct the country we helped demolish, and then assigned their assets to foriegn interests.

[calimary]

67. And by the way, I researched this to speak to my kid's class -

And, for the record (from page 6 or a General Accounting Office report to the Cong. Christopher Shays, Chair of the House Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans' Affairs and International Relations, in October, 2002) - there were 19 hijackers whose citizenship was Saudi. 2 were from the United Arab Emirates. one was from Egypt and another was from Lebanon.

Uh - any Iraqis in there anywhere?

What a river we have been sold down.

And yes, while I'm glad to see Kerry sort of admit to this, I wonder WHY so many millions of us could know or learn or research or read enough to realize that the war was fought for completely bogus reasons - and he couldn't. Sorry, chucko, if some civilian like me could know enough about this stuff, he has no excuse.

[pinto]

76. if I'm chucko I think we agree...

Saudi nationals, Saudi funds, attack on Iraq on bogus grounds (i.e. coupling 9/11 to Iraq somehow)...maybe I misunderstood a previous post or something...

[Jester_11218]

45. Not enough expitives!

There are not enough explitives to express the outrage that we should have for the damage to life on earth that the Bush/PNAC administration has caused!

Good for Kerry, I hope it opens floodgates of outrage!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

46. The 'F' should have been 'FASCISM.' How disappointing and banal. n/t

[young_at_heart]

47. As a 64-year old grandmother, I disagree

I don't like the "f" word, but in the case of Bush and Co. it seems very appropriate. The frustration level caused by these strange people is VERY high!

[wryter2000]

48. You go, Kerry

Telling it like it is!

[otohara]

50. Best For The Country????

What part of invading and occupying Iraq was "best for the country"? What the Fuck were you thinking?

Looks like Jr. took your advice about James Baker ??? Again I ask, what the Fuck were you thinking?

[ozone_man]

53. Sounds like some hot anger there.

WTF was Kerry thinking when he voted for IWR? He should be angry with himself.

[amazona]

55. good for him

I use the f-word in reference to the Whistleass all the time but can't make the national news as a result. It's time for someone to tell it like it is -- the more plain speaking the better.

[goforit]

60. Whoooppie!!!!!........Meanwhile he's hiring the thugs Baker and Sr. ,

the two bozos reponsible for this disaster to run
F*CKING FORIEGN AFFAIRS!!!!!!


So he thinks he's soooooooooooooo cool saying the "F" word, eh?!!!!!

[UpInArms]

61. OMG What planet is this guy from???

''I voted for what I thought was best for the country. Did I expect Howard Dean to go off to the left and say, 'I'm against everything'? Sure. Did I expect George Bush to f - - - it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did,'' Kerry told the magazine.

Who in their right mind did not expect *Co to FUCK up the whole thing????

This, in and of itself, is what I consider the heart of the problem -

these idiots are trusting (and I use that word only because I do not have a better one) the supreme liar, cheat, bogus thing, stand-in for a human, mouth-breathing organism.

Shocking!

The utter stupidity.

I don't care if the man says FUCK in every sentence - I do care that he has poor judgment.

(edit - typo)

[latebloomer]

66. MILLIONS OF US

expected Bush to fuck up as badly as he did, or even worse!

Why was Kerry not choosing to pay attention? There was no shortage of information!

[calimary]

69. Me, too. Absolutely.

[colorado_ufo]

73. You said it best, UpInArms!

What's the color of the sky in Kerry's world? Millions of protestors around the earth, *'s personal record of failure, the "Patriot" Act, Cheney's secret energy policy group, no established link between Saddam and bin Ladin and the WTC, and on and on and on. And he thought this would be a success?

What was he doing, when he should have been checking facts? Sorry, but this is just cheap excuse making to cover for a decision made out of bad judgment, politcal ambition, or both.

[eileen_d]

88. It may surprise you

but it seems to me the majority of people in this country do place trust in the President and didn't believe he would fuck up this badly. This doesn't make them smart or right (and I'm not one of them), but it's something to think about before you call people stupid.

Sorry about the reality check, but I live in the Midwest and I'm surrounded by this reality. Kerry made a mistake, but he's not stupid.

[UpInArms]

95. I understand

because I, too, live in the Midwest -

how gullible people can be when fed a nonstop diet of lies -

but Kerry has been exposed to more than that - there are many people that send him information and if he chooses not to "fact check" - then he has poor judgment.

Operating within the "beltway" in DC does not mean that they need to be believing the spin - they need to come up for air and look for the truth.

I stand by my statement that Kerry has poor judgment.

[Patriot_Spear]

64. Okay... I really like Kerry a whole lot more... Heh-heh.

...but I've ALWAYS said I like Kerry- I just prefer Dean.

[librechik]

65. Damn, I thought you meant "fascist"

that would have been awesome

[Gman]

70. That's the only way to describe what Bush has done

he fucked it up plain and simple.

Besides, according to the FCC, saying "fuck it up" is not obscene. And afterall, the FCC is controlled by Republicans so it can't possibly be wrong.

[AlFrankenFan]

72. lol

I'd be cursing too..in fact, I curse at Bush all the f--ing time

[grasswire]

74. Sorry Kerry

I fully expected Bush to f*ck it up, and so did most DU-ers.

Plenty of Americans figured it out ahead of time. We expect people who get intelligence briefings to at least be as shrewd as we are.

[demgrrrll]

75. Oh but it is ok for chimpy and his dad to talk about women and for him

to use the same word in front of Al Hunt and his small child.
I'm not the biggest Kerry fan in the world but really, give me
a break. If they want to go there I would shoot right back with
at least he didn't use the word in front of a child. I edited out my own little phrase.

[Rainbows]

77. What so bad ...

about the 'f' word when Bush is doing it to the country every day?

[seventhson]

79. Bush was drunk, Kerry gave him the keys to the car of death anyway

No wonder Kerry is trying to say it wasn't his own fault for giving the drunkard the keys to the war.

Nobody expected Kerry to fuck things up so much (well I did though).

[DemonFighterLives]

80. Kerry was privy to intelligence briefings

Too bad that the OSP was the middleman. The intelligence they were told was flawed. This does not excuse them from checking on their own. Sometimes just the gut instincts that something was fishy is enough. I didn't like this war, but always expected the naughty weapons to turn up at any moment.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

83. "checking on their own"? may I ask "how"?

How do you cross verify the most powerful intelligence apparatus in the world?

[DemonFighterLives]

101. Well, I'm not sure

I guess one could do like Du'ers do and search the internet. Of course I was already suspicious of this crowd and could have guessed that the intelligence may be doctored.
I mean our defenses were down on 9/11. Hmm.
We have been in and around Iraq for 20 years or better and should have listened to the UN inspectors on the scene. As we are finding out now,the UN would have been the more favorable way to go instead of preemptive unilateral BS in my humble opinion.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

105. and who was in the Senate briefings on CIA intell. etc?

nobody here.

[mbperrin]

84. I use the f-word all the time

when I refer to *Bush myself!

And I like it!

[Catherine Vincent]

86. Woo Hoo! Kerry just moved up a few notches with me!

Yes, Kerry. George did FUCK things up!

LMAO!! YOu got to know this was planned though. Hey Kerry, get ready for the bush lovers to tear you a new one. You should know better talking about their beloved god like that!

[BiggJawn]

89. There's no other way to describe what * did....

"Mess it up"? No, the cat messes up the bathroom whe she digs in the box.
"Screw it up"? Gettin' warm...

Yeah Bush fucked everything up royally. now other way to look at it. Kerry calls it like it is, no sugar-coating.

[leanings]

92. I don't know what's more distasteful

1.How juvenile and lowbrow it is for a presidential candidate to say someone "fucked up" in an interview with national media. 2. This was apparently an intentional move by Kerry to look "hip" 3. Judging from the responses in this thread it worked. 4. Which gives me further cause to fear for the future of any intelligent political discourse in this country ever again, seeing as how we've moved entirely to soundbites, packaging and emotion. There's nothing but frothy mouthed belligerents screaming at each other. 5. That the unsaid, calculated objective of Kerry's move was to steal some of the "anger" spotlight from Dean. Gawd.


Maybe we should run the primary as an episode of "Survivor", and then the winner can face Shrub on a special WWE pay-per-view event. If we're going to do away with decorum, we might as well do it right.

[Le Taz Hot]

96. Excellent post, leanings

and I echo your sentiments.

I never, and I mean never bash candidates here on DU but I've heard this Kerry meme over and over again and I'm finally going to respond to it.

Kerry made the decision he made (as did Edwards, Lieberman and Gebhart) because the DLC told him it was the right political move so as not to be seen as soft on terrorism.

He ignored the MILLIONS who protested in THIS country. He ignored the letters, phone calls, faxes, and e-mails. I'm sure people sent him information on the subterfuge that was used as excuses to start this war of aggression. I know I sent my own Senator these same links and was also ignored (Feinstein).

Previous posters are correct. If we here at DU (and millions of others) knew it was all a crock, why didn't he? I don't buy that he "trusted Bush*." Bush* staged nothing less than a coup to get into the WH in the first place. Kerry showed, at the very least, bad judgement which does not bode well for the Commander in Chief.

However, I really don't think it was anything that complex. It was politics. Plane and simple. The DLC gave him his marching orders and he followed lock-step along with the rest of the lemmings (except Kucinich -- kudos to him for that!). This vote was literally a matter of life and death and he chose politics. There is no possible way I can respect someone who chooses to sacrifice American lives and American foreign policy for politics.

I'm not even going to get into his comments on Dean which shows a complete ignorance of the good doctor's positions and a vitriolic hatred towards someone who, to put it bluntly, is kicking his ass politically.

He's pissed because he thought he was the annointed one. That was until the VERY PISSED OFF rank-and-file Democrats, who the DNC/DLC has been ignoring and sacrificing for years, found our voice again. That happened because candidates such as Dean, Kucinich, Mosely-Braun and Sharpton entered the race and gave us a vehicle by which we could voice our anger that started at the 2000 selection. Kerry told us to "get over it" and to "quite crying in our teacups." That showed a contempt for the millions of us who sat watching, waiting, while the Congressional Black Caucus marched up the steps of the Senate BEGGING for ONE Senator to contest the election. NOT ONE SENATOR WOULD STAND WITH THEM! The DNC/DLC crowd is finished and their puppets can either join REAL Democrats and begin fighting for Democratic ideals or fade into oblivion. It's their choice.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

106. God forbid someone should say Bush "Fucked up."

I see a lot of devisive posts here.

[regnaD kciN]

93. Huh???

''...Did I expect George Bush to f - - - it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did,'' Kerry told the magazine.

Well, John-boy, I sure did! As did virtually everyone else on this forum.

:eyes:

[JNelson6563]

94. So angry! Hot Anger!!!

;-)

[bleedingheart]

100. I am glad you picked up on that too...

hee hee hee...

[bleedingheart]

98. what happened to that cold anger versus hot anger thing that

kerry told Pitt about????

:-)

Personally I don't give a rats flying ass about him using the F word but I realize in a puritan based nation like the US we like to pretend we are so much more proper...

[TheWebHead]

102. Wes Clark used the word "shit" with Rolling Stone

..not like I give a fuck, but here's the quote:

People are going to look back in 100 years and ask, "What did you leave behind in this country?" We will leave two legacies. The first is the Constitution, which implements the will of the majority while protecting the minority. The second is the environment. And if you want to protect it, you've got to start now. Unfortunately, this administration has rolled back the legacy we will leave for our children and our grandchildren. I believe in clean air. They believe in letting power plants modernize without pollution controls. I believe in clean water and preserving wetlands. They believe "shit happens." I don't believe in opening up old-growth forests for logging in the name of fire prevention.

more...
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=1970

I guess the New York Post missed that one.

[seventhson]

104. I expected Kerry to F*ck it up as badly as he did, voting for Bush's War

after all is said and done, Kerry should be kicking and cursing himself.

KERRY gave Bush the right to make this war; handed it to him on a silver platter.

KERRY is the one who SUPPOSEDLY knew better because of his "investigations" (sic) of the Bushes and BCCI and Iran-Contra (my ass - Kerry LET the Bushes walk away scot-free).

If Kerry did not expect this from Bush then KERRY DOES NOT deserve to be anywhere NEAR the Presidency. But...

I think he KNEW Bush would go to war.

Hell, I knew they were going to war. Kerry, Bush, the whole chickenshit lot of them..

I think it is because they are buds. Brothers...

F*ck Kerry and his self-righteous whining. HE GAVE BUSH THIS WAR!!!

This is all a very poor preppy act. Bad Preppy Shakespeare.