Michael Jackson bombshell --child welfare report exonerates him

[karlschneider]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html

[Judi Lynn]

1. Great, karlschneider!

Did you notice on cable tv news, they kept running the oddest, most menacing news clips they could find of Michael Jackson during the time they were breaking the new child molestation charges story?

Over, and over, and over. It clearly looked as if they were trying to shape public perception of the guy.

What the heck is that brain-dead D.A. going to do, now that he's been revealed to be a complete fool?

Maybe the cable news can rerun clips of him standing around joking and snickering during his press conference when he broke his story of his charges against Michael Jackson.

On edit:

Sorry, I had to return to correct my spelling, "larkschneider." Good grief. It's only as if I've seen his name a zillion times already. Early morning blunder. Excuuuuse me.

[The Zanti Regent]

8. Yes another Nazi Republican F-Up

Interesting, the same time when President Asshole was facing massive protests in London, a Nazi Republican hack prosecutor just happens to file this...

[Judi Lynn]

9. You're right! We heard so much about it our ears could have bled

While news stories of just how _Bush was doing in London were simply unavailable.

[DoNotRefill]

18. A child welfare report isn't exoneration....

Just ask David Koresh.

[SpiralHawk]

2. Get Thee back to Never Never Land

Just by kOzmiK kOiNcidEnce, Disney is releasing a major, blockbuster, remake of Peter Pan on Christmas Day, Dec. 25.

So it would appear that -- like it or not -- we are all going back to Never Never Land -- with Jacko and Shrubby and Ashcroft and All the Kings Men.

(cue soundtrack for mad cackling of Captain Hook, played by Dick Cheney)

[Northwind]

24. The new Peter Pan

Has nothing to do with Disney, thank god.

[0007]

3. Will the whore networks run with this one 24/7?

I doubt it!
:shrug:

[karlschneider]

4. Dunno but I heard about it first on ABC morning news, which led me to

the smoking gun piece...

[Robb]

5. I don't get how this exonerates him

...I mean, it's something for the defense to bring up, but it shouldn't bear on the current case, right? :shrug:

[karlschneider]

6. It is the same case...same kid, same "incident" n/t

[displacedtexan]

7. "Unfounded" allegations: will the media ignore these findings?

As a former teacher, I can tell you that kids will do or say anything to keep from being embarrassed in front of their peers. I watched a group of kids destroy a math teacher (state master teacher/ teacher of the year), whom they labeled as "too hard on them." The parents made her life a living hell; after all, their little darlings' GPA rankings were at stake!

The teacher began to neglect her health (diabetic) and died within the year. The kids felt guilty for about a week.

I'll bet my bottom dollar that these boys were called fags and N----- lovers after that TV documentary aired. Some well-meaning teacher/nurse/counselor probably decided to drop a dime on Jackson because he is "weird."

Sad.

[papau]

11. "Unfounded" allegations - the 80's showed effect of police/parent pressure

Even Fox (Geraldo) is now saying that it looks like Jackson is cleared.

[DoNotRefill]

19. except, of course....

for the supposed "love letters" seized...I obviously haven't seen them, but now I'm genuinely curious as to their content.

[ProudDemocrat]

26. 'Supposed' is correct...

I heard the supposed letters was malarkey...

[DoNotRefill]

32. We'll have to see....

ntxt

[cspiguy]

10. meanwhile, Jackson still gravely ill from food poisoning

from eating a five year old wiener... (check the allegations from the family he originally paid 20 million to silence. I imagine it takes a lot less to silence civil service employees)

[papau]

12. That is the reason Jackson has constant video tape running -

to prevent rip-offs like in 93.

He is wierd, but not to be feared.

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[cspiguy]

14. could be Canadian Paranormal Science Investigation center...

or maybe something else. More left than center more center than right - but not conservative. Jackson creeps me - he has become his THRILLER zombie.

[cspiguy]

17. his original lawsuit charged him with fellating and masturbating a kid

and that kid's family was paid 20 million. If he didn't do it - he would not have paid, with his debts.

[ProudDemocrat]

20. In my opinion, MJ wanted the 1993 allegation to just go away...

but everyone always says why did MJ pay in 1993? If your child was molested by whoever, would you take money or take that man to court for MOLESTING your child. What type of parents would even take money and either kill the perpetrator or bring the law down on him?

[tibbiit]

22. it was too funny

where is your sense of macabe (sp) humor?
lol
tib

[FlaGranny]

15. It is clear from experience that

if a child is asked the same question multiple times, he will eventually give the answer the questioner wants to hear.

[Occulus]

29. Good one, Granny

but I'll see your astute observation and raise you another one.

It's been my experience that, when asked the same question multiple times, most adults will eventually beome badgered into the answer the questioner wants to hear.

Sad, but true.

[Snellius]

16. FOX will be so disappointed.

They were going to start a new reality game show: "Name That Black Sexual Predator". Johnny Cochran was going to be the host.

[newyorican]

21. This *really* bothers me...

for reasons that nothing to do with who MJ is, but what he is. And I'm not talking about weird here.

Now I hear that Sheriffs and DAs personnel in Colorado are selling t-shirts that depict a hung Kobe Bryant.

Shades of Paul Robeson,
Shades of Joe Louis,
Shades of Josephine Baker,
Shades of Marcus Garvey,
Shades of Muhammed Ali,
etc., etc., etc...

:-(

[0007]

23. Shades of Joe Louis???

Please explain, 'eh? And what do the t-shirt thingy have to do with a greedy family?

[newyorican]

25. Joe Louis the Brown Bomber

was selectively prosecuted for a violation of the Mann Act because his woman was white. He crossed state lines to stay in a hotel that accepted black patrons and the cops followed him and arrested him.

The "t-shirt thingy" doesn't have anything to do "greedy families".
It has to do with a trend in law enforcement that is reminiscent of the way things were done pre-civil rights.

[0007]

35. I been around a long time and remeber Joe Lew very clearly..

but I don't remember the Brown Bomber being "selectively prosecuted for the Mann Act" Perhaps you can enlighten me and provide a link, 'eh?

You could be right, Sir!

[newyorican]

41. My absolute B-A-D...

All due apologies to Joe Louis. It was Jack Johnson, Heavyweight Champ from 1908-1915. The Mann Act was originally designed to stop prostitutes crossing state lines for business. It was used against Jack Johnson because he had a white wife and had to cross state lines to find a motel that accepted mixed-race couples.

[ProfessorGAC]

38. I Think You Mean Jack Johnson

Not Joe Louis. Mrs. Louis was a black woman. I'm quite sure of that.
The Professor

[happyslug]

54. Not Joe Lewis

IT was the black boxer of the 1920s and 1930s, Johnson? I have to get back with you with his name.

[sendero]

27. for all those folks...

... who are soconvinced that MJ is just a harmless misunderstood good guy, how do you explain:

1) the deposition of the kid back in 93 which is either real or really coached

2) his song lyrics. you think a sweet innocent person could even write the kinds of songs he does?

MJ will eventually screw up in a way that he cannot buy his way out of. And maybe someday he'll face the fact that is isn't sony that killed his career, but his own dated material.

[newyorican]

28. Sooo...

we should cook up some bogus case and lock him up now, eh?

Sort of a pre-emptive jailing, tell me...has he already committed the crime or is this now the realm of thought crime?

I don't know too many intelligent people who are convinced of anything they have heard about MJ, positive or negative. On the other hand, I know many intelligent people that know they are being propagandized on a dialy basis. Those same people have not failed to recognized the blatant counter-counter culture thrust of Federal and State law enforcement, nor the stench of recalcitrant confederacy emanating from those same camps.

[sendero]

30. I'm a...

...lot less likey to convict him without due process as many here seem to be to declare him innocent in the face of overwhelming evidence.

And BTW, I don't watch TV news very much at all. I get my info from the net. There is no question the kid in 93 was molested, IMHO. People who do this don't stop until they are made to.

Perhaps the fact that I had a coworker's kid come within days of being kidnapped and taken out of the country by another pedophile coworker makes me less doubtful that there are such people out there.

MJ wishes he was a cultural influence. That was over by the early 90s. He is about as subversive as a puppy policially, so that argument is pretty lame.

[Cocoa]

33. no one has to "declare him innocent"

he IS innocent, according to our system, until proven guilty.

And no, your opinion of his song lyrics is not proof.

[cspiguy]

42. Father Michael

Sounds more like the Catholic priest issues... you just can't explain why someone would allow their children to stay over with an adult man.

[Cocoa]

44. it's irrelevant

this is about whether he's guilty or not. It has nothing to do with priests or the parents' decisions.

[northzax]

51. actually, in a way it does

it is inevitable that a prosecution will be followed with a civil suit. but anyway, if this incident did, in fact, occur, I think this child should be promptly removed from his parents' care. it is not even an open secret that Jackson has, in the past, been seriously accused of molestation of young boys. And so this family allows their son to stay there, without supervision? That is the very definition of parental negligence, don't you think?

and, for the record, if Jackson did this, he should spend his life in jail.

[newyorican]

34. okay...

I'm a lot less likey to convict him without due process as many here seem to be to declare him innocent in the face of overwhelming evidence.

That might be relevant if declaring ones innocence required "due process", but it doesn't. Everyone starts out innocent and only through "due process" are they found guilty or innocent at the end of a trial. Like I said, I don't know many people that are very convinced one way or the other vis-a-vis evidence, let alone what you claim to be "overwhelming evidence".

And BTW, I don't watch TV news very much at all. I get my info from the net. There is no question the kid in 93 was molested, IMHO. People who do this don't stop until they are made to.

You don't need to watch TV to be propagandized, even though TV is analogous to mainlining the crap. You can find much worse on the net than you will ever see on the boob-tube.

As to your certainty of what happened in 93, I'm not a fan of settling in these cases, but there was no trial. That means there was no evidence in the legal sense. Be aware, I am not saying a reasonable person couldn't come to the conclusions you have, I'm saying that I haven't come to those conclusions. The range of opinion ranges from MJ is a sick puppy to the DA wants to run for higher office to a misguided COINTELPRO II effort. I'll wait and see what developes.

Perhaps the fact that I had a coworker's kid come within days of being kidnapped and taken out of the country by another pedophile coworker makes me less doubtful that there are such people out there.

That the sum of your experiences makes you different is what makes the world go round. Different isn't right or wrong, it's just different. In this case 12 people and a Judge will decide what's what...maybe.

MJ wishes he was a cultural influence. That was over by the early 90s. He is about as subversive as a puppy policially, so that argument is pretty lame.

I know that, you know that...but the average neo-confederate DA doesn't know that necessarily. MJs "cultural influence" never waned overseas, only here. And I know absolutely nothing about MJs politics, not one bit. Does he do any fund-raising for political parties?

[0007]

36. Excellent newyorican -

I think most of these folks get their news from FOX and the other whore networks. 'Tis amazing how these folks know so much about nothing.

[ProudDemocrat]

37. Could you please give me an example

of a MJ songs that suggests that he is a peophile? Would it be Heal the World, Black or White...? Which one are you referring to?

[sendero]

39. I made no such claim...

... that his songs reflect any bent toward pedo. I'm saying that the idea he is some kind of grown up kid in fairlyland and is naive about the ways of the world is ludicrous. Read his lyrics and look at his business dealings, he's no Bambi.

[Paschall]

40. His song lyrics?!? WTF?!?

What is this the Inquisition, the McCarthy hearings? Ya gonna lock up the ghosts of Henry Miller, Ma Rainey, Besse Smith, Nabakov, and Jean Genet too? And what about The "I Need A Man With A Slow Hand" Pointer Sisters?! Sheesh!

[Journeyman]

45. If we lock up MJ for the content of his lyrics, Stephen King. . .

will have to be in the next cell, heh?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. I'm not convinced that he is harmless but none of what you cite is

evidence that he isn't.

He has had hundreds of kids stay at his ranch. The Santa Barbara DA has a hotline. So far they have yet to find any corroboration.

While I hardly consider a DFCS report to be an appropriate rebuttal given their well publicized failures, the statement from the 90's case on SMoking Gun was clearly written by an attorney, not the victim in the case.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

31. I would recommend that everyone...

Revisit the sad and sorry McMartin Pre-School Case. See the actions of the prosecutors. See the actions of the therapists. See the actions of the press, especially those of Geraldo Rivera.

I suspect that what I have seen where I live is pretty standard: The prosecutors who try these cases become zealots, concerned more with scalps on their belts than justice. Trust me when I tell you that the ones around here have their own laundry list of personal issues that cloud their objectivity.

[DoNotRefill]

43. My questions on this issue are two-fold....

First, knowing his history, risk and exposure, why on EARTH would MJ keep up the kind of conduct that could lead to charges like this? Even MORE puzzling is the "documentary" where he admits to having kids in bed with him alone. That question certainly falls into the "what the HELL was he thinking?" category.

Secondly, why would parents continue to allow MJ access to their kids alone, much less let them sleep in this guy's bed? What the HELL were THEY thinking?

I don't know if he molested anybody. I DO know that I wouldn't leave my (soon to be) kid in his custody unsupervised.

[Cocoa]

47. why is any of that relevant?

if he didn't molest the kid, he didn't molest the kid.

[DoNotRefill]

48. For the same reason I don't hang out with intoxicated 15 year old girls...

If you don't put yourself in a compromising position, it's very hard to be credibly accused of being compromised, regardless of the validity of the claim.

MJ's publicly admitted conduct (sleeping with kids in his bed) is compromising. And if you continuously play with fire, it's inveitable that you'll eventually get burned.

Oh, BTW, his public actions seem to encourage this kind of thing. For example, in Scream 3 during his cameo appearance, he said something to the effect of "I didn't touch her. She's a girl!" The clear implication was that he was sexually attracted to little boys, not little girls. This kind of thing adds fuel to the fire.

[SkipNewarkDE]

49. Wasn't that an impersonator?

I think the MJ character in Scream 3 was an impersonator.

[newyorican]

50. I wasn't aware that...

a line written by a screenwriter is considered a true life confession. Learn something new every day, that I do.

[DoNotRefill]

53. I don't think it's a confession....

and I never said it was. I think it's a publicity stunt. MJ needs to learn that there IS such a thing as "bad publicity".

[ProudDemocrat]

56. Dude

that was an actor... NOT Michael Jackson in Scream 3. MJ and his people had a heart attack when they found out that MJ was going to be impersonated in the film. If you can't tell film from reality, what planet are YOU living on???!!

[DoNotRefill]

57. It was Scary Movie 3....

and it sure did look like him, including a fairly graphic close-up. Given the way his face has been chopped up, where and how would you find somebody who looks like him? And can you provide a link definitively showing that it was an impersonator?

[DrWeird]

58. Pssh.

LOL.

I can't believe the Wachowski Bros. let Fishburne take the Morpheus character over to Scary Movie 3.

Did you hear Elvis is now driving a taxi in Seattle?

[demdave]

59. That was an actor named Edward Moss

http://www.icons.nu/whoisit/resume.html

[pinto]

52. MSNBC just reported the memo story, Garagos and Jackson to respond

[AndyTiedye]

55. Too Bad This Story Didn't Get This Much Media Coverage:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/25/national/main570077.shtml

MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (CNN) (25 Aug 2003) -- An 8-year-old autistic boy who died at a prayer service where church members tried to heal him of "spirits" was suffocated, the medical examiner's office said Monday.

Terrance Cottrell went to a prayer service Friday with his mother, who prayed over him with a pastor and other church members. By the time the two-hour service was over, Terrance was dead.

The official cause of death is mechanical asphyxia due to external chest compression, meaning Terrance was suffocated. The death has been ruled a homicide.

The church is in a run-down strip mall in northern Milwaukee, with the sign for the former tenant -- a bar -- still posted above its door. A poster on the door says the Faith Temple Church of the Apostolic Faith has services every Sunday. ...


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