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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:40 PM
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Al-Arian Search Warrant Documents Accidentally Destroyed
AP-ES-12-09-03 1102EST

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TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - The search warrants used to raid former University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian's home and offices in 1995 as part of a terrorism probe have been accidentally destroyed, a judge has told his attorneys.
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Defense attorney Linda Moreno called the destruction of documents a "significant development" in the case, but declined to comment further Tuesday on how it might affect Al-Arian and three other men now facing federal charges of financing Palestinian terrorists.

The documents are crucial because it was the 1995 searches that gave federal investigators a basis for continuing to investigate Al-Arian for nearly eight years before he was indicted in February. The defense attorneys could ask the judge to throw out any evidence seized or learned through the searches, saying they can't determine the searches' legality without the warrants.

"We are exploring different remedies," Moreno said.
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http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGAZSZ750OD.html


Hmmm jailed w/o bond awaiting JANUARY 2005 trial...records DESTROYED in 1998 and he was arrested WHEN? and on what grounds and what evidence?

Gotta wonder...the NEW USA!!!

My belief...they never had anything and jailed him like all the other ME folks and were going to deport him like the others after all the hoopla died down...end of story.

:wow:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:46 PM
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1. Wasn't this the guy
who was buddy-buddy with the Bush crime family?
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:49 PM
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2. I believe he did donate yes... the University of Florida professor
whom they fired because he was a risk to the university's security.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:50 PM
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3. BULLSHIT! Accident my Ass! Gangsters Rule USA
The Lies Keep Coming
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JM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:52 PM
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4. Check out...
...John Loftus' website. He has been after this guy for some time and is the real deal.

Al-Arian is allegedly the Islamic Jihad point man in the US. One of the things they found on the tapes they siezed using that warrant was allegedly Al-Arian under an Islamic Jihad banner yelling "who will pay $500 to kill a Jew?"

I saw part of the video at a Loftus presentation.

Al-Arian should have been nailed years ago. Bush I and Clinton gave him a free ride...

Later,
JM
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 05:08 PM
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5. You might well be right, BUT I refuse to believe this until there is proof
beyond a reasonable doubt...isn't that what our justice system is about?

Tapes? You mean some that the CIA or someone had and possibly doctored or fixed before they went out to be viewed?

Sorry, but I don't put anything past these folks and if this was true in 1995 then why was he not sentenced?

I wonder just how many of ALL these ME people arrested, held without bail and deported weren't guilty or even were? We will never know, will we? I guess we can add them to our growing list of enemies, eh?
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 05:19 PM
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6. You right.
This is only incompetence with our national security.

The guy is dirty, JMO.

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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:52 PM
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11. interesting stuff, Loftus posits an Enron/911 connect; looks at Saudi $$$;
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 07:57 PM by pinto
other takes on inter-Arab relations in ME and our intel communities' actions.

Thought provoking. for those who haven't read him:

http://www.john-loftus.com



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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:44 PM
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13. Fishy-smelling,...
,...just,...very fishy,...

NTL,...I will take it under my belt,...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 06:09 PM
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7. This is in Florida? They're lying.
Somehow, I just know.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:31 PM
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8. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!
They have been smearing this guy for years but haven't been able to prove a thing. Now of course, they are obstructing justice.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:36 PM
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9. Lemme guess. Friends of Jeb Bush?
Never even HEARD of the guy and I'd wager blind he's a pal o' bush.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:41 PM
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10. you mean this Sami Al-Arian?
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 07:45 PM by notadmblnd




"ALLEGED TERRORIST MET WITH WHITE HOUSE ADVISER" KARL ROVE, PHOTOGRAPHED WITH BUSH DURING CAMPAIGN "A former university professor indicted this week as a terrorist leader attended a 2001 group meeting in the White House complex with President Bush's senior adviser, Karl Rove, administration officials said yesterday. Sami Al-Arian, a former computer engineering professor at the University of South Florida, had been under investigation by the FBI for at least six years at the time of the June 2001 briefing for a Muslim organization. Numerous news accounts also had said federal agents suspected Al-Arian of links to terrorism. Al-Arian and his family also were photographed with Bush during a March 2000 campaign stop near Al-Arian's suburban Tampa home.... Al-Arian posed with Bush and his wife, Laura, at the Florida Strawberry Festival on March 12, 2000, a moment captured in an Al-Arian family photo. Nahla Al-Arian said Bush noticed her traditional headscarf and asked to meet her family. "The Muslim people support you," she recalled telling him. The family said that Bush gave their lanky son, Abdullah, the nickname "Big Dude."...And Bush sent a letter of apology to the suspect's wife after the Secret Service ejected their son -- who was then a congressional intern -- from the White House complex during a separate June 2001 meeting of Muslims interested in the president's faith-based initiative.Al-Arian's appearance at the White House came six days earlier, also as part of the administration's outreach to Muslims, officials said.... Al-Arian has told The Post that he and wife Nahla campaigned for Bush in Florida mosques and elsewhere because they thought him the candidate most likely to fight discrimination against Arab Americans." 2.22.03


Seems to me that if a real terrorist got this close to the pResident, more would have been shot than the stuipd photo. Either this man is not a terrorist or our own pResident associates with known terrorists!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:51 PM
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14. WHOAH,...HELLO,...*LOL*,...
,...So, when he (Sami Al-Arian) said ",...this is just 'political'" as they were carting him away to no-man's land,...he (Sami Al-Arian) was being "truthful"???

Fascinating,...truly, fascinating,...and confusing. WTF? Really, WTF is going on in that "world"? I would like to know.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:36 PM
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12. How wonderful
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 09:51 PM by slaveplanet
The main focus of the BFEE stalled Operation Greenquest raid. And the documents suddenly go bye bye. How Effin convenient!

Folks these are the islamofascists that Norquist is involved with.

The BFEE is protecting the Saudis and screwing Loftus and his hard work....

One of the potentially most explosive aspects of the investigation concerns the GOP Ethnic connection to the Islamist milieu targeted under the 3/20/2002 raids. It is that series of businesses, religious charities and NGO’s that has provided the main link in funding for Hamas, Al Qaeda and Islamic Jihad. Key White House aids Grover Norquist and Karl Rove were instrumental in generating the GOP Ethnic Outreach milieu’s Islamofascist connection. Recent testimony before Congress cited the targets of the 3/20/2002 raids as being central to interdicting the battle against Al Qaeda. Counter-terrorism official Richard Clarke stated that the Bush administration’s reorganization of the government was hurting the Green Quest investigation. Abdur Rahman Al-Alamoudi, pivotal to the operations of the Green Quest targets and an organizer of the vetting process for Muslim chaplains in the military is an associate of former Abwehr agent and Al Taqwa kingpin Youssef Nada.
Program Highlights Include: The operations of the Green Quest targets in the Balkans during the 1990’s; late President Alija Izetbegovic’s links to both the SS Handzhar of World War II and to Osama bin Laden; Alamoudi’s links to Osama bin Laden’s nephew Abdullah, evacuated by the Bush administration after the 9/11 milieu.

www.spitfirelist.com/f432.html

or www.wfmu.org/playlists/dx for a listen
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:59 PM
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15. Oh, great,...
,...extremists teaming with extremists,...

,...you know,...there are only so many "rabbit holes". I have decided NOT to explore the one towards which you are leading.

But,...best wishes to you down the one you choose.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:37 PM
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16. Sometimes
when you go down "rabbit holes" you flush out rabbits.
Taint exactly fair that the game warden calls an end to hunting season right when you've got the pesky rabbit lined up in your sights.

“LOFTUS: Well, you know, it’s a funny story. About a year-and-a half ago, people in the intelligence community came and said-guys like Alamoudi and Sami al-Arian and other terrorists weren’t being touched because they’d been ordered not to investigate the cases, not to prosecute them, because they were being funded by the Saudis and a political decision was being made at the highest levels, don’t do anything that would embarrass the Saudi government. So, of course I immediately volunteered to do it and I filed a lawsuit, against al-Arian charging him with being a major terrorist for Islamic Jihad; most of his money came from Saudi charities in Virginia.” (Idem.)
22.       “Now, Alamoudi’s headquarters were in the same place, he was raided the same day, on March 20. An hour after I filed my lawsuit, the U.S. government finally got off its butt and they raided these offices. And, the stuff that they’re taking out of there now is absolutely horrendous. Al-Arian has now, finally been indicted, along with Alamoudi, today. But, who ws it that fixed the cases? How could these guys operate for more than a decade immune from prosecution? And, the answer is coming out in a very strange place. What Alamoudi and al-Arian have in common is a guy named Grover Norquist. He’s the super lobbyist. Newt Gingrich’s guy, the one the NRA calls on, head of American taxpayers. He is the guy that was hired by Alamoudi to head up the Islamic institute and he’s the registered agent for Alamoudi, personally, and for the Islamic Institute.” (Idem.)
23.       “Grover Norquist’s best friend is Karl Rove, the White House chief of staff, and apparently Norquist was able to fix things. He got extreme right wing Muslim people to be the gatekeepers in the White House. That’s why moderate Americans couldn’t speak out after 9/11. Moderate Muslims couldn’t get into the White House because Norquist’s friends were blocking their access.” (Idem.)
24.       “OLBERMANN: How does this tie back into the thing that apparently pulled the stopper out of the drain, if you will-The developments at Guantanamo Bay? How rotten is the system of the interpreters and the chaplains-the Muslim chaplains that Alamoudi was involved in setting up?” (Idem.)
25.       As theorized in FTR#’s 356, 386, 405, Islamist elements of this Underground Reich milieu appears to have successfully infiltrated the US military. “LOFTUS: It’s as rotten as it gets. Think of the Muslim chaplain’s program that he set up as a spy service for al-Qaeda. The damage that’s been done is extreme. It wasn’t just sending home mom and dad messages. From the prisoners. These guys, this network in Guantanamo, stole the CIA’s briefing books. Everything that the CIA knew about al-Qaeda is now back in al-Qaeda’s hands. That’s about as bad an intelligence setback as you can get.” (Idem.)
26.       “OLBERMANN: John, how does this end up? How far will the investigation into this necessarily have to go to get to the bottom of it?” (Idem.)
27.       “LOFTUS: There’s a lot more to go. Norquist had a lot of other clients. There’s a whole alphabet soup of Saudi agencies that funded terrorism in this country. They had an awful lot of protection. And one of the things we may find about 9/11 is that people out in the field weren’t allowed to connect the dots and questions will be asked whether guys like Grover Norquist were part of the problem?” (Idem.)
28.       “While establishing its headquarters in a tax haven, the Brothers’ bank opened a branch, Al Taqwa Management Organization S.A., in Italian Switzerland, in Lugano. Lugano, a discreet frontier banking locale, is a stone’s throw from Milan, a major financial center, and above all the Islamist groups’ entry point to Europe.” (Dollars for Terror: The United States and Islam; by Richard Labeviere; Copyright 2000 ; Algora Publishing; ISBN 1-892941-06-6; pp. 139-140; visit their website at www.algora.com .)

www.spitfirelist.com/f435.html
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