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Cadfael Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:05 AM
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3rd body found buried in Hammond basement
In a scene reminiscent of the infamous John Wayne Gacy murder case 25 years earlier, authorities in northwest Indiana on Wednesday were unearthing a third body found buried beneath newly poured concrete in the basement of a modest two-story house.
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-bodies11.html

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:13 AM
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1. I'm gonna bet...
That this guy reads like a textbook serial killer profile. I sure hope they are looking into his past residences and whether there has been disapearences there, too.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:15 AM
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2. this makes no sense
The investigation into the three -- 13-year-old Michael Dennis, 16-year-old James Raganyi and 20-year-old Nicholas James -- led police to the house with newer- looking siding, a bowing front-porch roof and no garage.

to this sentence:

James was last seen May 20 but wasn't reported missing until Nov. 21.

Why would a 16 year just disappear for 6 months and no one even cared?

and this guy's record spans decades - convicted of child abuse and multiple murders???

Quite frightening that nothing seemed to be done - our justice system (parole boards and officers) seem to be invisible.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:23 AM
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3. It's horrible
And look at the guy who's a suspect in the missing student case in North Dakota. Convicted of three attacks on women, a level three sex offender and he wasn't even monitored???

But, don't worry - Tommy Chong is in jail for selling bongs, so we're all safe... :eyes:
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:55 AM
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4. i say 2 sex assault and ya get the death penalty.
same for child molestation. no need for them to be alive.
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:31 AM
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12. Free Tommy Chong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:17 PM
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13. I sent Tommy a Christmas card
Tommy Chong #07798068
Unit A 4B
PO Box 7001
Taft CA 93268
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:15 AM
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6. If You Want to Get Away with Murder
You're better off picking a target no one will miss.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:23 AM
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8. I thought that the answer
was going to be:

change the venue to Amarillo, Texas

(remember T. Cullen Davis?)
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:48 PM
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20. The "James" the article refers to is Nicholas James, who is 19
I know it's confusing. Though I have no idea why his genius girlfriend waited so long to report him missing; they lived together. According to the local paper today she thought "he was hiding from me." Guess they still like to play hide-and-go-seek at that age.
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:12 AM
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5. goddammit!!
why does nothing good come out of indiana.

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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:21 AM
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7. How about Larry Bird
There is good every where. You just have to look for it. How about "The Jacksons" oops.
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:31 AM
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11. im speaking as a former resident
still have my IN drivers license. it just seems that no good news comes from there.

i mourn for my state.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:44 PM
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16. As someone who lives in Indiana NOW
and is married to a native Hoosier I can assure you we're not all bad.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:55 AM
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9. Indiana
While your comment about "nothing good coming out of Indiana" may have been an expression of dismay, there may in fact be a kernel of truth.

Many years ago, when I was living in rural northeastern Indiana, I met a guy who was working on his dissertation in -- IIRC -- clinical psychology. In the course of his research into the advantages and disadvantages of various types and venues for treatment, he discovered some surprising statistics regarding the incidence of untreated mental disorders in various regions of the country. According to his research, the rural four county corner of north-eastern Indiana (Steuben, LaGrange, Dekalb, Noble counties, which was where I lived and, perhaps not insignificantly, where Dan Quayle was our congresscritter at the time) had the highest rate of untreated mental illness in the country. As a result of those findings, he changed the subject of his dissertation and began researching specifically the non-treatment of the mentally ill in rural Indiana as compared to other areas of the country.

I do not remember the guy's name; he was a guest speaker at a class I took at the local college. I have often wished I could recall his name and find out if any of his work was ever published. As he described to our class the research he had done and some of the case histories he had uncovered, I began to see many, many, many parallels to people I knew in the area and could confirm by talking to members of my husband's family, who were multi-generational residents.

There was apparently a kind of tradition that persons with mental illnesses or problems or whatever were simply kept at home, out of the way as much as possible, but not really treated, in part because admission of a mental illness was considered a "blight" on the family's reputation.

Although I was not a native of the area, my husband is, and he still tells stories of being harassed at school or just encountering in public some of the people who probably should have been in some kind of treatment but instead were kept at home. In some cases, these people were tragically abused -- locked in attics, etc. -- and in other cases they were a true danger to themselves and others. In one case that I had personal experience of, an adult male whom I can only describe as developmentally disabled routinely lost his temper and assaulted his caretaker father, who not too infrequently ended up in the hospital, while other family members were recruited to care for the son. Although the other family members recommended that the son be at least evaluated, the father adamantly refused. It would "stain" the family name.

In another case with which I had personal experience, a neighbor family ("neighbor" meaning they lived a mile down our country road from our house) had a son who was developmentally disabled and probably had other problems as well. Although he had gone through the public school system as far as he was able, at sixteen he was just kept at home. when the other family members were present, he was taken care of, watched, and controlled. When they weren't -- work, school, etc. -- he was on his own. When he got bored with television, he would often leave the house and go exploring, entering the other houses on our road and just randomly going through them. He was never destructive, just messed things up. No one ever told me about it, so I was stunned when I came home from work one afternoon and found that the house -- hubby and I were living with his parents at the time -- had been invaded.

When the situation was explained to me, I kind of exploded. "My God, what if I had come home and he was still in the house!" He was a very large individual, and I was not. But the response was just that oh, well, everyone was sure he wasn't dangerous, and anyway everyone was just "used" to him. No doors were locked, ever, because if they were, he'd just break a window or whatever to get in. In other words, even other families in the area accommodated him, without ever considering possible risks to him or to themselves, rather than address the problem. That his illness was a danger to himself was evident in the fact that on the day he entered our house, the temperature was below zero, and he had been seen walking down the road in jeans, a tee-shirt, and worn sneakers -- no coat. My in-laws house was over a mile from his.

Anyway, I could go on with the instances that I later experienced there that really confirmed to me the PhD candidate's thesis of more people being untreated and kept at home in this area of the country than any other. Although that four-county area is at the eastern corner of the state over by Ohio, and Hammond is in the northwestern corner by Chicago, I suspect many of the same "traditions" may have played a part.

Just a bizarre observation from

Tansy Gold
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:13 AM
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10. Interesting.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:36 PM
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14. isn't indiana
the birthplace of the klan? :eyes:
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:46 PM
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17. No, Virginia was.
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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:47 PM
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19. No, but thanks for asking.
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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:53 PM
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21. Michael Jackson?, Jim Jones? John Dillinger? David Lee Roth?
Give us some credit though. We brought you David Letterman and James Dean.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:37 PM
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15. Hammond: Jean Shepherd's hometown... home of "The Christmas Story"
Ralphie, watch out for the serial killers!
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:46 PM
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18. But is he a Republican?
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 04:01 PM
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22. Why was this guy on the streets? Oh, to make room for pot smokers!
A guy like that should never be able to walk the streets after a conviction like his.
Its OK to let murderers and rapists and child molestors out but those damn pot smokers need to be locked up. re:Tommy Chong.
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