Police report:Former House candidate Hackett involved in armed pursuit

[Algorem]

http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/cleveland/index.ssf?/base/news-29/1168447178145120.xml&storylist=cleveland

1/10/2007, 11:31 a.m. ET
The Associated Press

INDIAN HILL, Ohio (AP) An Iraq war veteran who drew national attention in a...run(against evil vampiress with 9 political lives Jean Schmidt) for Congress pursued three men whose car crashed into a fence outside his home and, while armed with an assault rifle, held them until police arrived, according to police reports...

Police in Indian Hill, an upscale suburb of Cincinnati, investigated and now consider the matter closed, Chief Chuck Schlie said...

According to a report filed by Indian Hill police, officers were called to Hackett's home about 4:30 a.m. on Nov. 19 after a car crashed into a fence and sped away. At a nearby driveway, Indian Hill ranger Paul White found three men lying face down near their car and Hackett's pickup truck, and saw that Hackett had an assault rifle slung over his shoulder.

"He said he had done this about 200 times in Iraq, but this time there was not a translation problem," the police report said...

[Greeby]

1. Umm, ok nt

[Bonhomme Richard]

2. Sounds a bit over the top to me but..................

what do I know?

[MADem]

3. The headline makes one think he's the criminal, not the apprehender

According to a report filed by Indian Hill police, officers were called to Hackett's home about 4:30 a.m. on Nov. 19 after a car crashed into a fence and sped away. At a nearby driveway, Indian Hill ranger Paul White found three men lying face down near their car and Hackett's pickup truck, and saw that Hackett had an assault rifle slung over his shoulder.

"He said he had done this about 200 times in Iraq, but this time there was not a translation problem," the police report said.

Hackett told police later that he was carrying a civilian model of an AR-15 and that one round was in the chamber, but the safety was on and he never aimed the weapon at the men or put his finger on the trigger.

The driver of the car, Eric Fee, 18, of Green Township, was charged with failure to maintain reasonable control, driving under suspension and carrying a concealed weapon, a pair of brass knuckles that was found in his pocket.

[GainesT1958]

4. You can tell who they're afraid of most...

When they try to leak ANYTHING that could even be considered bad publicity about them....and Paul Hackett is someone they're afraid of most!

This shouldn't hurt him...especially with the NRA voter.:eyes: I kind of think of Paul Hackett as the Jim Webb of Ohio!

B-)

[aquart]

7. This is the NRA wet dream.

It's what they keep telling themselves THEY would do.

Bet they invite him to be a guest speaker. Or their spokespresident.

[Pirate Smile]

5. He made a citizens arrest. He is a obviously a very devoted member of his neighborhood

watch program.

Paul's doing his part to destroy the myth of the wussy Democrat.

I kinda like it.

:D

[BobRossi]

6. Yup!

Although neighborhood watch programs do not encourage involvement of this level, it is likely that if there was any wrong doing by the apprehendees it is not their first offense.

[Danascot]

8. Uh, yeah I have

a couple sets of brass knucks on my person at all times...

[Scriptor Ignotus]

9. damn

an AR-15 is like a M-16. but he had a "civilian" one? What the hell is that?




Oh well, if any one should be allowed to have an assault weapon, I guess it should be a former Marine. Beats some yokel going out and getting one at Walmart.

[krispos42]

14. The diff between an AR-15 and an M16

The AR-15 is an automatic rifle designed by a company called "ArmaLite", and was one of the first rifles to break away from the traditional walnut-and-steel rifle (like the Garand) in favor of lighter materials like aluminum and plastic.

As originally designed, it was intended for military use, and had both a semi-auto (one shot per trigger pull) and full-auto (gun shoots a long as trigger is held) mode available at the flick of a switch.

The Pentagon adopted it, and subsequent improvements, as the M16 series. As veterans moved to civilian life, many of them wanted to own the rifle that they had trained on, used, and had their lives depend on in the Service, and went out and bought a civilian-legal AR-15. That is, an M-16 without the full-auto mode.

Now, many companies make civilian-legal AR-15 copies, depending on the state they are sold in. Smith & Wesson, for example, makes one called the M&P15. Some also make them in a full-auto version for sale only to law enforcement. But the civilian-legal rifles have at least a 16" barrel, and may have other restrictians based on the state they were sold in. For example, a flash surpressor may be banned, or an adjustable stock, or a pistol grip, or all three.

[benEzra]

22. The civilian (non-automatic) AR-15 is arguably

the most popular centerfire target rifle in America, so I'm not surprised Hackett owns one. I'm currently saving my pennies for a Rock River Arms model.

The M16 is capable of automatic fire; civilian AR-15's aren't, and function like any other civilian self-loading rifle or pistol.

[izzybeans]

10. Somebody tell Dwight Schrute to pick up a phone and dial 911 next time

[smoogatz]

11. This will strengthen Hackett's public image there in SW Ohio.

Gee, I wonder where that "leak" came from.

Don't get me wrong--I think Hackett's amazing. Great guy, slightly ahead of his time in '04. But if he runs for congress again in '08, he'll win.

[TomInTib]

12. Good for Hackett. I have done this, too.

While living way out in the boonies in SE Texas, a neighbor and I did the same with some car thieves.

After chasing them for several miles, we finally ran them off the road and hauled them out of their truck. Then we realized we were right in front of one of the guys' house.

It was Super Bowl Sunday and the whole damned family was there, must have been 30 people running out in the yard. With weapons. I had a sawed-off pump 12guage and my friend had a 9mm pistol.

So we had this big stand-off for a while. I actually had to go hand-to-hand with one of the drunken uncles. I had to fight him with only one hand and two feet because I was afraid to put my gun down.

I thought those deputies would never show up.

[krispos42]

13. But- but- but but- only criminals own assault weapons!

The Brady Campaign told me so! That assault weapons are used in 273% of all homicides and suicides, and only by mentally deranged, cop-killing, baby-bayoneting, drug-dealing militia members!

In the 1980s, law enforcement reported that assault weapons were the "weapons of choice" for drug traffickers, gangs, terrorists, and paramilitary extremist groups.

How is this possible? I'm... I'm... I'm confused! Did Hackett escape from the other terrorists at Gitmo???

An assault weapon that WASN'T used to slaugher hundreds of innocent schoolchildren? That was used for legimate self-defense and civil order? That was used BY a registered Democratic candidate?

As ATF has explained:

Assault weapons were designed for rapid fire, close quarter shooting at human beings. That is why they were put together the way they were. You will not find these guns in a duck blind or at the Olympics. They are mass produced mayhem.6

These weapons "are not generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes" and instead "are attractive to certain criminals."7 The firepower of assault weapons makes them especially desired by violent criminals and especially lethal in their hands. Prior to the Act, although assault weapons constituted less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they were a far higher percentage of the guns used in crime. ATF's analysis of guns traced to crime showed that assault weapons "are preferred by criminals over law abiding citizens eight to one....Access to them shifts the balance of power to the lawless."

Brain... hurting... does... not... compute...


:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

In all seriousness, Hackett (I almost called him 'Haggert', :rofl:) did not use an assault rifle for this. He used a semi-automatic centerfire rifle that the Brady Campaign would classify as an 'assault weapon'.

THE FEDERAL ASSAULT WEAPONS ACT

The federal law banning the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons, known as the federal assault weapons ban, has expired. It was passed as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. President Clinton signed it into law on September 13, 1994. Despite his promise to renew the ban, President George W. Bush and Congress allowed the ban to "sunset" in September of 2004.

The Act banned, by name, 19 different weapons:

Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
Colt AR-15;
Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
Steyr AUG;
INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, AND TEC-22;
revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.

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[Demit]

17. Now there's a comforting thought: returning servicemen from Iraq who will want

to have the weapon they trained on. Untreated PTSD and AR-15s—a potential combination that will really get you rolling on the floor laughing.

[tanyev]

15. Oh, no, now Jean Schmidt is going to have to try and top that.

Of course, she would just have to look directly into the bad guy's eyes and they would turn to stone.

[jarab]

16. Good for him. (nt)

...O...

[hughee99]

18. Seriously, though...

If this wasn't Paul Hackett, if it was some unknown person, I think much of this discussion would be different. Either because people would have a different opinion or because different people would choose to post here, I think the discussion would be more about how some teenagers were out doing a little petty vandalism (which most would condemn) and some nut case ran out of his house at 4:30 in the morning with a loaded assault rifle, chased them down and held them at gunpoint until the police arrived. Someone would speculate about how this guy must be a repuke or a "redneck".

[Drum]

21. Pssst...we're not supposed to notice the double-standard!

:eyes:

[seriousstan]

19. The man is a menace and should be charged. You have no legal right

to detain someone at gunpoint because of property damage. Pointing a gun at someone shows intent to shoot. Thank God he wasn't elected.

Funny how the tenor of this board has done a 180 because it was Hackett. I have NEVER seen support for anything even close to this before. Sickening.

[rexcat]

20. You should try getting the story correct...

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070110/NEWS01/701100339/1077/COL02 (from the Cincinnati paper, not from a Cleveland new outlet).

During the investigation, Hackett told police Nov. 30 that he was carrying an AR-15. He said one round was in the chamber and that he usually has 28 rounds in the magazine. He also told police that he did not point the weapon at the three men, the safety was on and he never put his finger on the trigger.

<snip>

"He told the boys to 'Get the ---- out of the car and get on the ground.' ... He said he did not touch the vehicle with the rifle and maintained his distance. 'I knew they saw I was armed,' he said. He said he had done this about 200 times in Iraq, but this time there was not a translation problem," the Indian Hill police report said.

Moore said Hackett was woken up by "criminal activity" and "took affirmative action to protect his wife and family from an unknown disturbance at his house." He then "attempted to bring the perpetrators to justice who had fled from the scene," according to Moore.

end of story.

There also seems to be an issue with the Hamilton County Grand Jury. Information has leaked that the Grand Jury is investigating the incident. Information from the Grand Jury is secret and should not be available to the public unless the Grand Jury indicts someone but the proceedings are still considered secret as not to contaminate the potential jury pool for a criminal trial. Seems to be the typical dirty politics of Hamilton County and SW Ohio.

I say good for Hackett. In our neighborhood two men were arrested for breaking into cars the other night. I don't really care if it were Hackett or someone else. That said I must include a disclaimer that I supported Hackett when he first ran for DeWine's Senate seat last year but when he dropped out of the race his comments and actions were out of line and I don't know if I will support him again if he runs for public office.

[harpboy_ak]

24. It was Schumer who was out of line

I must include a disclaimer that I supported Hackett when he first ran for DeWine's Senate seat last year but when he dropped out of the race his comments and actions were out of line and I don't know if I will support him again if he runs for public office.

He had a RIGHT to bitch, and loudly, after what Shumer did to him by calling donors to cut off funds. He could have beat Dewine.

[rexcat]

25. I agree with you to a point...

but the bitching went on too long. I still like Hackett but he handled the situation in the wrong way. Because of how Shumer and Reid handled the Brown-Hackett thing I take those two with a little grain of salt. They don't get the benefit of the doubt with me.

I think that Brown was too much the politician when it came to announcing his candidacy for DeWine's seat. I thought he was a little underhanded about it. As far as Brown goes I voted for him but I put my money and time in other races. Enough of that because I don't want this to turn into a flamefest with the Brownies.

[Peace Patriot]

23. Sounds to me like he was pretty restrained in his actions. Car crashes

into a fence, driver and others flee the scene (two laws broken so far), could be people dead in the car, suspects could be armed, he doesn't know. That they're up to no good is a fair estimate of the situation. He showed courage in pursuit. He intimidated them (with his weapon) but never threatened them, according to the report. I want everybody disarmed--criminals, citizens, police (good system in England and other civilized nations)--but as long as we have legal gun ownership, we could do worse in gun owners than Hackett, who at least knows what he's doing with a weapon, and uses it appropriately, in a potentially dangerous situation of lawbreaking and disorder. Why is this such a big deal? Frankly, I can think of a whole lot of situations--given the general failure of our society on public safety and maintenance of civil order*--in which I wouldn't mind having Paul Hackett around.

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*(Note: I consider the desperation of the poor--and especially of poor young people--which drives them to criminal acts, to be all of piece with the disorder at the top--criminals in the White House conducting criminal wars, and committing other heinous crimes (torture, grand theft on a mind-boggling scale), while our government utterly neglects the egregious wrongs of our so-called "justice" system, and the horror of our fascist economic system. The Bush Junta everyday teaches our young people that "crime does pay." Then we throw these poorly educated, poverty-stricken youngsters--who are not behaving the way slave labor and cannon fodder should--into a prison system that degrades them further, and in which they are taught that "might makes right," with the scofflaws of the "prison-industrial complex" profiteering off the desperate conditions of the vast poor underclass. So when I say "the general failure of our society on public safety and maintenance of civil order," I am not just talking about street criminals, and I do NOT think that throwing millions of people in jail is the answer, nor is having guns in every household. Fair wages is the answer. Good schools are the answer. Eliminating 90% of petty crime laws (drug sales and use, prostitution) is the answer. Defeating the Corporate Rulers and the War Profiteers is the answer. True justice is the answer. And I hope Paul Hackett will go the extra mile, and interest himself in the fate of the people he arrested. Our "justice" system, as it is, will no doubt teach them to be better criminals, so the next time they get caught, they will be better armed and more lethal. We need to do more than merely maintain peace and quiet in our privileged neighborhoods--much more.)