Bush vows to 60 Minutes that 'no matter what Congress wants' surge is on

[aggiesal]

In an interview set to air on this Sunday's 60 Minutes, President George W. Bush vows to send an additional 21,500 troops to Iraq "no matter what" the Democratic-controlled Congress tries to do.

"Do you believe as Commander in Chief you have the authority to put the troops in there no matter what the Congress wants to do," 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley asks Bush in the short clip uploaded to the CBS News web site Friday night.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_tells_60_Minutes_no_matter_0113.html

I don't care that 70% of the citizens of this country don't want an escalation.
I don't care that congress doesn't want an escalation.
I'm the decider.

And if you don't want to play by my rules, I'm taking my ball home.

[R_M]

1. Maybe impeachment is the only way to stop this %*$#!

[Jack Rabbit]

44. Even after that, we may have to drag Bush and Cheney out of the White House

kicking and screaming.

[PegDAC]

67. I'd rather

see them frog-marched out in handcuffs.

[Name removed]

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[timtom]

50. it would seem that we're beyond that, now.

I believe we're past the impeachment stage. Nothing short of a miracle will avert a total world meltdown.

[Turbineguy]

59. I think he wants to be impeached

He cannot solve this. He can't admit failure and quit. Impeachment gets him off the hook. He won't have run away like he always has in the past. He'll be a martyr to the Freepers. The Democratic Congress can be blamed for the failure in Iraq by the GOP smear machine. The perfect solution all the way around.

[madame defarge]

2. If only...

And if you don't want to play by my rules, I'm taking my ball home.

Please. Let's make him go home to clear brush.

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer

[jmowreader]

49. I'd like him to clear brush too, but not on his private ranch

I'd much rather he clear brush while wearing his orange jumpsuit with two armed guards on horseback keeping him from running off.

[calimary]

73. Along the freeways, perhaps?

It IS indeed looking as though IMPEACHMENT is our only recourse. We have a ROGUE president.

[jmowreader]

90. I was thinking back roads

After everything that dipshit has done to us, I don't want the word "free" anywhere around him.

[Botany]

3. It makes no sense ....

So why send more troops to Iraq?

Prime Minister Maliki said he does not want them .....

but bush wants to send them anyway.

The Iraqi people overwhelmingly have said they don't won't them ....

but bush wants to send them anyway.

The Generals and the Joint Chiefs of Staff have said no ...

The American people by better than 3 to 1 are opposed to sending more troops ....

but bush wants to send them anyway.

The troops on the ground in Iraqi question their mission and are opposed to sending in more ...

but bush wants to send them anyway.

The Iraqi Study group wrote that we should be looking @ ways to get out and that additional troop would not help ...

but bush wants to send them anyway.

So why does bush want to send more troops?
The only 4 reasons I can come up w/ are:

1. Keep that Iraqi oil flowing to the big oil companies.
2. bush is unwilling to admit a mistake
3. bush wants to run out the clock and "fob off the Iraqi mess," onto the next President.
4. To start a war with Iran (thanx to DUer peacebird for that one)

[aggiesal]

6. He wants a perpetual war...

As long as there is war, his OIL and DOD buddies are raking it in.

There is a documentary on Starz network titled 'Why We Fight'
It basically states that the DOD (i.e. The Military Industrial Complex,
that Eisenhower warned us about) made more than 25% more profit in 2004
than in 2003 (the first year of the war).

It's conclusion is: As long as there is profit to be made from war,
we should expect to see more war.

Does the name 'Carlyle Group' ring a bell?

[Botany]

9. Tony Snow said that bush already has enough money to go through

May/June yesterday. So i say shut it down then.

[caledesi]

41. Tony Snow is a fvcking liar!

Case in point: Somalia
When asked the other day about the Somalia attack in terms of when did the Prez know etc., Snow paused (he was shook)...he said the Prez didn't know!

At the Senate hearings, Pace was asked outright WHO ordered the attack on Somalia? He recoiled and said "President Bush."

As an aside, Randi Rhodes said this Somalia attack was under the radar...so Congress didn't even know about it. It gets worse. We attacked Somalia bec they found OIL there. We then paid the former Warlords to take charge. It all about OIL.

Can you say PNAC?

edit: usual stuff

[PegDAC]

68. There's only one solution.

Make war profiteering totally illegal.

[ClintonTyree]

83. Not only that...

but the U.S. economy would crumble if the "war on 'terra" were to ever stop. The defense industry is the only thing holding up this sham of an economy Bush has created. Take out the defense industry and related peripheral companies that make their living catering to the defense industry and you have a flat, if not a downright free-falling, economy. Our burgeoning federal deficit is being used to prop up an anemic economy and if we should ever cease hostilities with the rest of the world......... economic meltdown.

Bush has created a national house of straw and one good puff of wind is going to make the whole damned thing come fluttering down.

[lancdem]

23. I think all four of your answers are correct

:thumbsup:

[WolverineDG]

47. Check this out, Bot

Supports your theory #1:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132569.ece

dg

[GCP]

84. As this pre-war map from Cheney shows:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/IraqOilMap.pdf

http://www.judicialwatch.org/iraqi-oil-maps.shtml

This was part of the energy plan no one but the administration and the oil companies were allowed to see.

[colorado_ufo]

77. It makes perfect sense

if you are in the preparation stages for advancing into Iran.

[Dan]

105. actually, some thirty years ago when I was in the service...

soldiers and their families - that were located in Germany were considered a 'trip-wire'. This meant that if the USSR attacked in Europe, while America may not have wanted to get involved, the estimated 200,000 soldiers and dependents guarantee that America would get involved.

Bush is not a student of history, but they do know how to play Nation-state games and manipulate their citizens.

Personally, I think that we are going to war with Iran and Syria (and North Korea must look at this potentially, because if it does happen with this president, they are next) because everything they are doing is challenging the Congress. If Congress doesn't impeach, maybe idiot-son is betting that if he precipitates a military action again Iran, the Congress will be too terrified to act or remove him from office. And maybe Bush/Cheney are betting that if they engage Iran, the American people will support a President in War - and it is not good to impeach or remove a president in time of war. Plus, and this scares me - in the event of a conflict with another nation, they would suspend the Constitution, elections, and with that Shit-head Negroponte - we would probably have dead squads in America within a month.

War with Iran, 160,000 American soldiers in Iraq, we have a trip-wire.

The soldiers are pawns...the issue is the right of this President to do what he damn well pleases - and if this Congress plays P---y with this man, they will get F----d. Sorry, my thoughts.

[Bake]

4. F*ck you, Bushie Boy!

That is all.

Bake

[rocktivity]

5. That's not presidentin', Dub--that's dictatorializing

and making yourself all impeachalistic.

:headbang:
rocknation

[JohnnyRingo]

32. Hahaha...Good one

Language even Buxh can understand

[truthisfreedom]

36. George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long as I'm

the dictator." December 18, 2000

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html

Funny thing is, w, it's not a heck of a lot easier, is it? You're skeert... you are all propped up with meds and happy talk from your Dr. Feelgoods, and you couldn't even deliver your speech safely in front of the press. You had to pre-record it quietly, days before it was broadcast. In fact, it took you over 400 takes, didn't it? You couldn't stop twitching... you know this Congress is going to uncover that you're operating a mafia within our government designed to steal every last penny in the Treasury and bankrupt our nation forever, while destroying every positive thing we have going for us.

Who is pulling your strings and pushing your buttons, georgie? Who's the man behind the curtain?

[connecticut yankee]

58. and it looks like he is

[Divine Discontent]

80. there are forces at work besides the will of evil....

and that is a comforting thought.



www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[joanmj]

7. Protest

We must march against this madness in every city!!

[Botany]

12. Welcome to DU .... we know how to get our party on

[Patchuli]

40. That looked like fun!!!

How did it start? :-)

[cdnwannabe]

96. Looks like an updated version of "The Party" with Peter Sellers!

Wash that elephant!!!

[Imagevision]

30. Bush is creating distractions (surge) for upcoming investigations - Bush is in deep sh*t!!

[caledesi]

38. Hagel (on Charlie Rose) predicts this. Mass demonstrations

ala Vietnam War.

* is insane. Start the investigations NOW!

[closeupready]

63. Can we time marches not to interfere with The Apprentice?

:sarcasm:

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. He can think that all he wants. It'll do him no good.

He's cooked.

[medeak]

10. check out this Scott Pelley reporter

comes right up on google

He was biggest offender of going after Clinton during Lewinsky affair...CBS has sunk to a new low.

[lancdem]

24. If he was the worst

that's pretty bad, lol.

[rodeodance]

11. my my. This resolve of his is getting on my nerves and hope that

Congress does not take this lying down

[Wildewolfe]

13. It's to be expected...

... looking back on his record. For those wanting impeachment, just remember this is junior delivering your wishes on a silver platter. He will push until it happens and his own party votes to send him up the river. This is perhaps the only scenario that puts enough onus directly on * himself that will let an impeachment effort actually succeed through both the house for impeachment and the senate trial.

It's the death throes of the Neocon movement, at least this version of it. The sad part is it's going to take the blood of our sons and daughters to push them out. That's the real blood that is feeding the tree of liberty. Not the blood shed to establish foreign psuedo democracies, but the blood shed in the name of *. It will bring about and end to it.

[aggiesal]

15. The scary part in all this is ...

How many more neo-cons are they breeding by doing this?

'It's the death throes of the Neocon movement, at least this version of it.'

The next version my be even more powerful, because they will learn from these mistakes.
Current neo-cons were in the Nixon administration, and applied what they learned then to
the situation now. It took them 20 years to implement their ideas. Take note of the current
administration and think what they will be like in the election of 2024 or 2028?

Why do you think they don't let pictures of the coffins coming back from Iraq be displayed?
They learned how powerful the images from Vietnam were, and vowed not to let it happen with Iraq.

[Amonester]

113. in 2024 or 2028, Wall Street will be dead underwater, as will most

of Florida, the Gulf States, and CA.

There won't be much left to eat too.

Mushrooms, perhaps, or radioactive snow.

It's over.

[Selteri]

22. The scariest part of this is that if the cycle holds true they will begin a mass migration.

Right into the Democratic party, hiding like Chameleons as they begin to try to shift us while the Republicans rebuild themselves. Thankfully it's at least a good 10 years before any real infiltration by this cycle.

[Imagevision]

14. And most important Bush doesn't truly care how many US. troops are killed

I expect the Dem's to go the extra mile's on this sort of mindset from this president!

[StrictlyRockers]

16. I'm the nauseator.

is more like it

[Golden Raisin]

17. Our Emperor has decreed it.

So let it be written, so let it be done. Pelosi better put impeachment "back on the table" before the Bush junta saws the legs off the table.

[Peace Patriot]

54. Good point! WHAT table? Pelosi thinks there's a table to put something on,

or take something off of. Meanwhile, the trap door in the East Room opens beneath her....what Speaker? what Congress? what "table"?

No table. Stick your Congress where the sun don't shine, Madame Speaker! Bye-bye! (galumph...bang)

End of discussion.

And there is only one answer that can be made to this Tyranny--the nightmare of our Founders, who tried so hard to prevent executive wars of choice--and we all know what it is.

[VegasWolf]

18. Of course, Bush can't pull out or he will lose the oil. nt

[ginnyinWI]

19. We are losing an average of 110 troops a month now.

And chances are this will go up with the escalation--it has every time he's escalated before. For every month that this goes on, 110 persons will lose their lives so that Bush can have his political legacy. How craven and how criminal.

[aggiesal]

21. And that's just US troops.

What about Iraqi civilians?

What really annoys me is that the US does not count US troops that have died, because of the Iraq war.
If a soldier dies in Germany from wounds recieved in Iraq, the statistic is not counted.

In reality, how many soldiers have died that have not been counted?
Unofficial numbers are placed around 7,000, making US troop deaths from Iraq around 10,000.

[Nothing Without Hope]

20. This shouldn't surprise anyone here. He and his enablers have ALWAYS

claimed he had all war powers and sole control of the military. The only question is, what will be done about it? The unconstitutionality couldn't be clearer, yet all too many "representatives" and, of course, most of the corporate media still hold back from speaking the truth and acting on it: Bush must be removed from office and the "surge" and escalating provocation (and perhaps secret attacks?) of Iran stopped NOW.

[Kablooie]

25. Oh what an admirable decider he be.

[Martin Eden]

26. More and more Americans are making a different vow

to kick the Bush cabal out of the White House.

[Imagevision]

27. Bush appears to be sending a message to Pelosi

he doesn't care what she or the House and Senate think either... it's just the way it is Ms. Pelosi!

[Diane R]

35. He's like a child defying his mommy, isn't he?

[Divine Discontent]

81. NO WOMAN'S GONNA TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

"BAR DON'T TELL ME, LAURA DON'T TELL ME, AND THAT OLD B*TCH FROM CALI AIN'T GONNA TELL ME!"


you know he's thinking this..... I'm certain he's crazy....



www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[IndyOp]

28. Resignation! Resignation! Resignation! The whole administration. (n/t)

[YvonneCa]

33. I agree...impeachment will take too long...

...and cost too much, in terms if $$$, devisiveness, and a toll on the psyche of the country. I also think, politically, the will of his own party might be sufficient to get Bush to leave.

[disndat]

75. Impeachment , absolutely!

What have we got to lose? Even if we don't get there, it will create a climate, maybe, wake up a few of the remaining 30% still approving of Bush. Take to the streets, Get a serious momentum started to help Pelosi's and Reid's Democratic Congress to act before Lieberman turns his coat. Don't worry about divisiveness. What do we have now?

[teryang]

29. Troop authorizations are set by Congress - simple

Gates is going to ask for 92,000 troop increase; just don't authorize it.

Bush is changing the active duty limits on reserve and guard forces. Congress can change those as well to limit their deployability.

Finally, the funds for operations and training can be cut.

These actions can be taken at any time by this Congress. The clock is ticking on the executive's freedom of action without Congressional cooperation.

By the way, sovereignty lies in the legislative branch. Ultimately, this is where the power is. Without troop strength authorizations and funding, the executive can't do anything once he plays out the forces and funds authorized. He's got till October 1, at best.

P.S. I predict another war before October 1, 2007.

[elocs]

31. As much as we dislike Bush's actions, there is no simple answer or solution.

As much as we fume, howl, and scream for impeachment, the truth is that there is not a simple way to stop Bush. He is, as much as we dislike it, the Commander is Chief and that clouds the issue.
Did Johnson have the right to escalate the war in Vietnam? Americans were just as upset about that. If the Supreme Court with it's current makeup ruled on the question of whether Congress could stop Bush's actions, what would be the result? Impeachment over this is not going to happen either over this issue and impeachment and with the possibility of conviction, impeachment is an exercise of political rage and the ability to do it. That is what it was with the Republicans and Clinton. They knew they could not convict him, but they impeached him because they could and to smear him (his lying under oath did not help the matter). So prepare for a long battle.

[aggiesal]

34. I agree ...

This administration will scratch and claw to keep from being impeached.

They will ignore subpoenas and any other type of court orders, to appear before the House or Senate.

They've ignored the court order to release all the Abu-Gharib pictures, so ignoring any order from the House or Senate is nothing compared to ignoring courts.

They will not hand over any documents, e-mails, voice mails ...

Look at the White House visitors log. That is not longer available for anyone to see after the Abramamamaoff scandal.

It will be a long struggle.

[nolabels]

87. Na, the way the trajectory reads it's going to be a short time now

As compared to last six year for sure. * is getting more desperate by the hour.
Really, it's kinda starting to get fun watching the little worm squirm about :-)

[aggiesal]

89. Everyone in the administration is lawyering-up ...

And, they've already said that they will not turnover documents requested.

These guys are going to stretch this out, and try to survive their remaining 2 years.

I agree that they are getting more desperate.
But when you corner a rat, that's when the rat becomes more dangerous.

[nolabels]

99. Your answer

http://www99.epinions.com/Woodstream_Metal_Peddle_Rat_Trap_M200_Pest_Control

Rats often like to think no one knows they are there and that they are working in secret also. Try to remember they will make the moves to come to the trap and get their own selves caught. Just be ready for them when you see em and when you know they are coming.

Btw this really is just a side note from having to catch a lot of them :-)

[Peace Patriot]

60. "Commander in Chief"? Yup, he's BLACKMAILING us and the Congress with

the lives of U.S. soldiers. That in itself is an act of treason--not to mention murder. The purpose is to get Exxon-Mobile & co.'s oil contracts signed by the puppet government (thus signing over most oil revenue to Cheney's "energy task force" buds), and to use our troops as "cannon fodder" to protect the "rights" of Exxon-Mobile & co. until they can get their private mercenary armies--paid for by us through tax cuts, price gouging and outright theft--in place. It's the dirtiest game ever devised by the global corporate predator class.

----

"Did Johnson have the right to escalate the war in Vietnam?" --You are correct to point out the analogy. It's very similar. Yes, Johnson had at least the nominal "right." Congress gave it to him with the "Gulf of Tonkin" Resolution of 1964. But what Congress gives, Congress can take away. The Iraq War Resolution--which was not based on anything Saddam Hussein supposedly did, but rather on what he MIGHT do--can be rescinded. The power to declare war, and to fund war, resides ENTIRELY with Congress. The Constitution is crystal clear on that point. Both the "Gulf of Tonkin" resolution and the IWR have muddied up the Constitution, in that respect--especially the IWR, which granted Bush discretion (on whether or not to invade Iraq)--but the fact remains that Bush could NOT have acted without it. He HAD to have some kind of "authorization" from Congress, and that is his Achilles heel (--just as Mssrs. Jefferson, Madison & others intended). Congress' "authorization" (the IWR) can be rescinded, or amended.

And with that (if Congress does that), the issue will be joined. If it goes to the Supreme Court, the Court will have one hell of a time getting around the CRYSTAL CLEAR language of the Constitution. Not to say they aren't devious (re "enemy combatants") and audacious (FLA '00) as to keeping Bush in power. We all know the history of that. But I don't see the Court just standing up there, in their black robes, and ripping that bit of hemp paper to shreds. It would be the end of the Republic. I rather think, though, that the issue will be muddied--that's how the Corporate Rulers get around things, by muddying them up--and, say, have to do with subpoenas on Bush/Cheney's expenditures for the war. If they deny Congress information on how they're spending the money that Congress appropriates, it would be hard for Congress to curtail them without cutting off all funding, or all military funding (--not something Congress is likely to do). Say subpoenas go to the Court, and the Court toadies to Bush, and somehow denies Congress subpoena power (oversight power). What then?

Well, there's always FDR's idea of "packing the Court." The Constitution does not specify the number of justices. Congress can add a sufficient number of justices, to restore Congress' Constitutional rights and duties. FDR lost the fight to "pack the Court" on political grounds--not legal grounds. Congress has the perfect legal right to expand the Court. He did, however, get one justice to change his mind on New Deal programs--and thus Social Security was saved! So, Congress' legal power to expand the Court could be use to pressure the Court to restore Constitutional government.

I tend to think that this "balance of powers" crisis won't go to the Supreme Court. The good guys in Congress have so much impeachment material in Bush/Cheney's long list of incredible "high crimes and misdemeanors," that I think--when the crunch comes--impeachment will be the solution. And I think the American people will be the driving force. Congress is not sufficiently representative of the American people (due mostly to Diebold/ES&S--rigged elections) to head right to impeachment--but even illegitimately elected Congress members must be fearful of numbers like we have now--70% of the people opposed to the Iraq War and wanting it ended, and GROWING discontent.

------------

"...impeachment is an exercise of political rage..." Well, Kenneth Starchamber & co. may have sullied impeachment, but it is, nevertheless, an important item in the Constitution--the ONLY means that the peoples' representatives in Congress have of curtailing an out-of-control executive, if their lawmaking and funding powers do not work. The Democratic leadership is showing no inclination to use impeachment as an act of rage (unlike the rightwing nutballs behind the Clinton impeachment). They will be forced into it, by public insistence, and by some of their members who have done/are doing investigations. It won't be rage. It will be a last resort.

Also, I remind you that the move to impeach Nixon was supported by many Republicans--and in many ways advanced by them. It was not rage. It was just very clear that he had seriously broken the law. Some Democrats may have felt rage at his escalation of the Vietnam War. But they could not have impeached Nixon by themselves. It was ultimately the Republicans who did it. And it was based on evidence, not emotion. In the current situation, I think the Republicans--for all their Bushism and toadyism--can smell the change in the political air. The people are onto their rigged elections, outvoted the machines in '06 (as best they could), and are ve-e-e-ery angry at the filthy corruption and the unending war. There may be only one way out of permanent disrepute for the Republican Party, and that is to dump Bush/Cheney.

And I think possibly a graver issue that will arise afterwards will be the next administration, and the likely prospect that we will have a Corporate Democrat with all these newly asserted precedents of tyrannical power: "trade secret" vote counting, spying, opening our mail, suspension of habeas corpus, torture, massive unnecessary "defense" budget, presidential "signing statements" saying the laws don't apply to the executive branch, massive secrecy, rogue operations of every kind, and possibly a widened Mideast war inherited from Bush/Cheney. Will that future President disavow these unconstitutional, and illegal and unethical, powers?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

71. You've effectively condensed the debate. We have to keep calling and writing our representatives.

And, we must take to the streets, over and over.

The lessons of Vietnam are very fresh in the minds of many. President Johnson had a bit more political capital, although not much, with the citizenry of this country. gwb has NONE.

And, because many of us can draw the parallels between the two "wars", gwb and the cabal are foced to keep refuting the suggestion that there's any similarity.

We are also students of the impeachment process after seeing two CIC's living with or threatened with that process. We know that gwb has far exceeded the standards for beginning the process.

Our reps must hear from their constituency and it is incumbent on all of us to encourage friends, families, coworkers and anyone we come in contact with, to do the same.

MKJ

[lumberjack_jeff]

111. Yes, Johnson did.

That's why the War Powers Resolution of 1973 was adopted. To prevent exactly what Bush is doing now. It's against the law, and he's abusing a power he doesn't have.

[kitty1]

37. "I thnk the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude"

This deplorable quote was made by Bush during his interview for 60 minutes.
This is the mentality we're dealing with here.
Maybe the countless people of Iraq who lost family members to this meaningless slaughter and those who lost limbs and sanity should send Bush and his cronies a nice big basket for all his help.
It should include body parts, horrific photos of bombed out buildings and homes. Momentos from sad orphaned children who have nothing.
Jars of collected tears from all the agony these people have gone thru and continue to go thru because of hiss corruption and greed.

[Olney Blue]

55. This quote makes my blood boil. Again.

[bpeale]

39. the troops who will do the fighting

it is now time for the troops to refuse to fight. it's time. and we have to support their decision not to fight. * will then have to institute the draft or will have to leave iraq. any resolution that congress passes with regard to iraq has to clearly state that no military troops will be used to "guard" anyone going in to get the oil. they would be on their own & have to provide their own security. military troops should not be used to guard corporations. period. if they all stand and say "hell no, i won't go" i will support them 1000%.

[Patchuli]

42. He has no "rules"

and he doesn't play by America's rules. I have a feeling he's going to be sent home, with or without his ball. Or more likely, hopefully to the hoosegow.

[libodem]

43. 'No matter what Bush wants' Congress should impeach him

He is STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twenty4blackbirds]

45. correction: "I'm taking *your* ball."

[Vanje]

46. We need a regime change. ...

...and we need it now!

[Eugene]

48. Stay the course no matter what!

Related story: Bush concedes U.S. decisions made Iraq unstable - Reuters

Yes, he made a mess of things, but what he did was right
even if only Laura and Barney tell him so.

The U.S. will never leave Iraq as long as Shrub is president.

K & R

[PegDAC]

70. And a Scottish terrier

is helping to establish U.S. foreigh policy?:eyes:

[sakabatou]

51. .

[Zorro]

52. Geopolitical considerations are what is driving the escalation

Reducing US forces in Iraq will ultimately lead to a political leadership totally controlled by radical Shia mullahs, who will closely align with their Iranian counterparts.

Together, these 2 countries would have an extraordinary influence on the US's -- world economy -- by their control of oil, in addition to providing safe haven for terrorists to train for missions against the west.

I think these are the things that concern this administration; of course, it's a situation they've manufactured, but from their perspective, they have to come up with a plan to deny control over the oil resources by anti-western elements.

So by returning to first principles -- it's all about the oil -- one can understand why Bush has made the decision to add more troops. It's the administration's own arrogance, stupidity, and greed that has enabled Iran to gain even more influence and control in the region.

[ryanmuegge]

65. Exactly. Great post.

[Marrak]

53. Combat hospital is on CNN...

and Preznit * is certifiably f**kn insane...he's playing a morbid, twisted version of 'suicide by cop' with our troops...Can B**h even imagine the urban combat nightmare he's committing these brave young soldiers to? Conversely, will Baghdad end-up a smoking, bombed out moon-scape like Fallujah?...

[HockeyMom]

56. He needs them in place for IRAN

for the BIGGER War in the entire Middle East. Time is running out and he is desperate now like a caged dog.

This is not about Iraq, it never was.

[daveskilt]

57. Memo to George - You are NOT THE FUCKING KING!

congress gets a say or or constitution is gone.

[rodeodance]

61. unless the masses arise time after time and make NOICE, no

one will stop him.

[HuffleClaw]

62. sooner or later he HAD to put his foot in it

nice to see it on '60 minutes'.

[rodeodance]

64. cnn has repeated this phase lots of times today.

"To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible," Bush said.

[IndyOp]

66. A phrase which - as you know - is nothing but an effective bit of framing-

The Dems have proposed and proposed and proposed - political negotiations, reconstruction money TO IRAQIs instead of Halliburton and KBR...

It is a symptom of Bush's deafness and refusal to think that he can use the phrase you provide above, which I will not type -> :puke:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

72. rodeo, I heard that twice in an hour, as we played CNN in the background today.

When we first got married, my husband and I, who were both active duty Army at the time, appreciated a network that kept abreast of the latest political hot spots...this was in 1985, the Soviets and the Sandinistas were a "threat" not to mention the shit that was going down in the Mideast. One or both of us could end up going who knows where at any time.

We liked to have at least an idea where that might be.

We are drifting from our morning habit, but it kicked in this morning and I couldn't believe this phrase was the mantra, over and over. MKJ

[goforit]

69. A Challange for Congress...........Arrest the SOB!!!

[Ferret Annica]

97. Exactly, he is a criminal and is not above the law as he

feels he is. Impeach him and Cheney ship them of to the Hague for war crimes prosecution.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

74. First we were led to believe that congress

could put an end to this escalation by stopping it’s funding. Now it’s a done deal.

Bush has literally turned into a gangster thug, it's like he’s holding the lives of our troops in his hands and telling Congress, 'fund this war or these soldiers die'.

Isn't his actions treasonous?

[Zorra]

76. No matter what Bu*h wants, eventually we are going to put him in prison

for his crimes against the people of the US.

[bluestateboomer]

78. IMPEACH!!!

IMPEACH!:grr: IMPEACH!:spank: IMPEACH!:grr:

[Divine Discontent]

79. excuse me....

but Adolf Hitler is smiling in his grave at his young apprentice.......................



:mad: impeach :mad: him :mad: now :mad:



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[Vinca]

85. Let's call it what it is - an escalation. Surge just sounds nicer.

The bottom line is, whatever you call it he's oblivious to the public will. It's all about saving his sorry legacy. This guy needs to pack up his Little Golden Books and go home.

[Canuckistanian]

86. Will Czar Bush dissolve Congress now?

This is the next logical step now , isn't it?

I've heard nothing but "how dare Congress interfere" from the RW'ers for over a week now.

Hannity even said, "Ted Kennedy thinks HE runs this war now".

What absolute arrogance combined with a massive ignorance of how American government is supposed to work. Strange how they never mention that a Republican Congress limited funds for the (first) Somalia invasion back in the '90s?

[Ilsa]

88. Next headline: "Bush Declares War on US Congress".

I wonder how far he'd get with that. Probably pretty far, since the Pentagon thinks it is okay for THEM to spy on US citizens.

[LuckyX]

91. Well

The public voted to end the war and thats what needs to happen.

[leesa]

92. Who's clutching his balls? Saudi Arabia? Israel? Both? None of the above?

I think whoever it is knows their involvement in 9-11 and will spill the beans if they don't go through with the original plan. They are screwn.

[wryter2000]

93. Well, shit

I wonder what the Food Channel has on tonight.

[OKthatsIT]

94. CUT HIM OFF!!! TAKE AWAY HIS MONEY!!!

He's a madman.

[wordpix]

95. Lieberman said basically the same thing on MTP this a.m.

I think he's looking for the VP position when Cheney gets indicted in the Fitz probe.

[liberal hypnotist]

98. The oil war must go forward

Let the democrats play "hardball". We need a national day of mourning for Bush's killing.

[lovuian]

101. Congress Military Baker Group American People Screw you

I'm going to do whatever I want!!!

[classysassy]

103. I am the Great Decider

and I do as I please.American people,congress,Baker Hamilton,go screw yourself,King Bush has spoken.Congress get off your lazy asses and impeach this loon,before the globe goes up in flame.The chimp is mad.

[yojon]

102. If Congress is just a minor annoyance,

then there is no reason to bother dissolving it. Simply ignore them. Bunch of nattering nabobs of negativism.

[Nezvanovich]

104. Bizarre

Whens congress going to hand this lunatics ass to him? Or do we have to do it ourselves???

[NotGivingUp]

106. doesnt care what the people want...doesnt care what congess wants..sounds like a dictatorship to me

[The Stranger]

107. Why aren't the Democrats impeaching?

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

[ProudDad]

108. Thom Hartmann had an interesting take

on the escalation. I tend to think he's right.

Just as kissinger and nixon, in secret deals with NVN, pushed off the final withdrawal from Vietnam until after the '72 election, bushco is just trying to put off the final collapse in Iraq until after '08.

They probably got the idea from that war criminal kissinger -- he's been "advising" them all along.

As for Impeachment, it would follow investigation. If they seriously investigate this criminal regime, and the sheeple can be awakened, they will HAVE to impeach.

[bamacrat]

109. Im not super clear on this but can the president order such a thing in defiance of congress?

[Iceburg]

110. He already did -- 4,000 new troops arrived in Iraq today

15 January 2007 | 16:32 | FOCUS News Agency

Baghdad. About 4,000 US soldiers arrived in Iraq today, the Commander of the Multinational forces in Iraq Gen. George Casey said, cited by World media.
According to Gen. Casey up to 17,500 troops are to be deployed within the framework of the plan of the US President for expanding the US military presence in Iraq.

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n103367

W is beholdin' to NO ONE.

[lumberjack_jeff]

112. In a country of laws, no he couldn't

but apparently laws like the war powers resolution are just sorta, you know... guidelines.

[superconnected]

114. The man is a dick-tator.

[thickerstrings]

115. I am so sick of this man ...

How about if your twins take the point, motherfucker?

[what now toons]

116. New What Now Cartoon- "The Deciders Augmentation"

The war profits keep coming in, and the troops keep marching in Iraq. Year after year, the back door draft continues and our military pays the price.
this new surge is just enough to loose. Keep the troops in harms way long enough to pass this hot potato to the next president. They talk all this freedom, but I seriously doubt that they believe it. They're sociopaths with no feelings for others. I mean if Condi rice can refer to the 21,500 troops putting their lives in danger as an "Augmentation"!!!!
And all the right wants to bloviate about is Boxer's comment about how she and Rice will not be as effected!! Absurd! Trivial!! Here we go again, the madison avenue style sell the war ( and a new one with Iran ), and blame the Democrats. This is the beginning, they have the Corporate media machine to shove whatever twisted spin on events they want, real or imaginary.
At least we have the internet, and word of mouth.
I have a pen and pencil, so I draw progressive cartoons in an attempt to share the progressive side of political cartooning that has very few outlets.
(the right side has many) Check out my Condi, Augmentation cartoon at my website...

cartoons with a progressive edge www.whatnowtoons.com