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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:29 PM
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Congress to weigh 'No Child Left Behind'
The No Child Left Behind law was supposed to level the playing field, promising students an equal education no matter where they live or their background. From state to state, however, huge differences remain in what students are expected to know and learn.

Each state sets its own standards for subjects such as reading and math, then tests to see whether students meet those benchmarks. It's a practice under increasing scrutiny as Congress prepares to review the five-year-old law.

"Fourth-grade kids in the District of Columbia are learning different math from kids across the (Potomac) river in Virginia. It's crazy. Math is math," said Michael Petrilli, vice president for policy at the Thomas Fordham Foundation, a Washington-based education reform group.

(snip)
Many Democrats, along with education reform and business groups, say a patchwork of standards is inefficient. They also say students in states with low standards will have trouble competing in the global economy. Many other industrial nations have more stringent standards than those in the U.S.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070113/ap_on_go_co/education_standards
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:32 PM
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1. Military recruiters must be barred from contacting our children
No Child Left Behind has a fascist provision that gives military recruiters a blank check in stalking our children to get them to sign up for Bush's imperial armies.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:54 PM
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2. This law needs to be thrown out
Children are not only being left behind, they are being run over.

I teach special ed and NCLB's negative impact upon kids with disabilities is shameful. By 2013, ALL of our kids are expected to be proficient. In most states, that means working on grade level. So my 3rd grade girl who suffered severe brain damage at birth that left her barely able to speak will be expected to read and do math at the same level as her non-disabled peers. Last year, she learned to write her name. This year, she knows 20 of 26 alphabet letters. She can read a few simple sight words. And she can count to 15. She isn't ready to do simple addition and subtraction, much less regrouping, as her peers are working on in 3rd grade.

But in April, I have to sit her down and put a bubble sheet and a test booklet in front of her and make her take a 3rd grade level reading test. And the next day, the same thing again with a math test.

Instead of spending our time working on learning those letters and counting past 15, I am expected to help her get ready to take that test in April. Instead of teaching her to memorize her phone number and address, I have to teach her to fill in a bubble sheet.

I also can't read the test to her. (They used to let us at least do that) She is expected to read and respond to stories written at a 3rd grade level when she doesn't even know her alphabet. She will be expected to solve multiplication problems when she doesn't even know how to add.

And I have 11 more kids just like her. But I am lucky; some special ed teachers have as many as 30 kids.

The really sick part is that after these kids fail those tests, my school is penalized. So regardless of how appropriate it is to test every kid, regardless of how hard we work to prepare them for a test they can't even begin to pass, my school loses federal funding when these disabled kids fail. It doesn't matter how well the other kids do. Schools are judged based on the progress of subgroups - special ed, minorities, low income kids. It makes no difference how the other kids who don't fall into one of these subgroups perform. But if a subgroup fails, the school loses federal funding.

I am BEGGING all DUers reading this to PLEASE contact your congress critters and demand that this law be thrown out. Remind them that life is a bell curve and we will NEVER have everyone in any particular group be proficient at anything.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:23 PM
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7. A child I tutor in math and language arts
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 02:24 PM by tblue37
has a lot of trouble with such things as math facts. I drill her constantly, and with enough drill she can do worksheets with few errors--and she can correct her own worksheets and spot the errors. We were making great progress last year (when she was in 4th grade), and she was very proud of herself.

But then, in order to prepare them for the NCLB test, her teacher began pushing the kids through material that this child could not possibly understand yet. I knew we were in trouble when she started calling me, completely baffled, with questions about factors and prime numbers.

This is a child who had a lot of trouble understanding that if 4 + 1 is 5, then 1 + 4 is also 5, and 5-1 is 4, and 5-4 is 1. She was stymied by even these basic "flipping" operations. Now, at age 11 1/2, she is in 5th grade. She is just now beginning to understand how to make change and to convert pennies, nickles, dimes, quarters, and dollars into each other. But of course she will be tested on things far beyond her comprehension, and time that could be spent helping her learn these basic, and so very necessary, operations will instead be spent on material that will be entirely beyond her current capabilities.

She will fail the NCLB test, so she will feel like a loser, and her failure will damage her school's percentages. The progress she has made, which is considerable, will not feel like success to her at all, and she will become even more convinced that she can't "do" math.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:01 PM
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3. Yeppers -- they need to GET RID OF IT ... and let our schools start teaching again. nt
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:08 PM
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4. Show The Connection Between.....


.....The No Child Left Behind law and Bushes brother Neil......just like Iraq....Halliburton and Dick Cheney..
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 05:32 PM
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15. Excellent suggestion.
I'm a teacher and I can say, without a doubt...

"No Child Left Behind" is nothing but BULLSHIT. Period.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:29 PM
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16. from another teacher
No Child left unrecruited is a gravy train for the test industry.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:09 PM
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5. Can we PLEASE bring back social studies and civics? And current event studies


We are raising generations of citizens with no idea of how our government works and even less clue of how events in the rest of the world effects them.

Of course, we know that our corporate leaders do NOT want our citizens educated about these things. It's far easier to lead them that way.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:12 PM
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6. I stopped teaching before NCLB
I still talk to many teachers and I am appalled at how horrible NCLB is. My local district doesn't do a lot of teaching any more. They teach benchmarks and the benchmarks are absolutely insane. A test was given in a third grade classroom. I was shown a passing test and a failing one by our district's standards. The test measured writing and spelling and consisted of three or four pictures. The task was to write a sentence describing what the family was doing.

The passing test.

The man went to a car.

The people went to the car.

The man put things in the car.

They left.

The failing test.

The dad went to the car and was happy his family was going on vacation.

Next, the mom and kids came and were smiling.

The dad loaded the lugage in the car for their family vacation.

They lest and were going to Yellowstone to have a wonderful time.


I am not often a loss for words but that just floored me. One silly misspelled word caused a child to fail and sentences that showed no thought passed.

I also taught special education and I am so relieved not to have to deal with all of the nonsense. As it is, my niece goes to R.S.P classes and had to take the California Exit Exam. If you do not pass the test, you will not receive a diploma or be allowed to walk with your graduating class. She passed and we celebrated. I was so proud of her as she is dyslexic and had no help. My niece has family support but thousands of kids like her, don't and all of these so-called educational benchmarks aren't fair.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:28 PM
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8. I used to work part time for a company that scores
state assessment tests for many different sattes. Teh states' scoring rubrics required us to penalize anything that showed any sort of thought beyond the most conventional and formulaic. Any kid who made an attempt to think beyond the obvious was penalized. One thing that was almost always rewarded, though, was pompous, pretentious language.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:25 PM
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10. I scored math tests last year
and learned that 5 x 4 = 02 is an acceptable answer from a 4th grader in my state.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 12:19 PM
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23. It's horrible
Nightmare-Our children is learning.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:21 PM
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9. What's to "weigh?" Throw it OUT!
I'm school library staff and kids confide in me things like "When are they going to stop testing me and start teaching me?!" How can I answer that truthfully with this NCLB nonsense?

Go Dem Congress! It's time to right those wrongs!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:34 PM
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11. I'm from Texas and we have the Tass or Tasp thingy
My kids had to spend so many hours in class just learning how to take the test. They were in all upper level courses and they took hours out of the kids day to teach to the TEST... its total dumbing down kids that already are ahead wasting their time

and for the kids who are having trouble ... is teaching to pass a test the way teaching children should be handled ... I don't think so

Our kids are way tested to death
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:54 PM
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12. They need to ban Neil Bush's software...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 04:00 PM
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13.  Welfare Queen Neil Bush defends his crummy software.....
YOUR VIEWS: Neil Bush replies to letter

By NEIL BUSH | Austin, Texas
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/01/04/opinion/letters/02letter4.txt
.
In a recent letter by Marilyn Fox entitled “Favoritism for Bush Brother?” there is an allegation that the education company I founded is given special treatment as it relates to school districts’ use of federal funds. It is true that some schools and school districts use No Child Left Behind money to purchase our company’s remarkable science and social studies curriculum that comes in the form of an instructional device commonly referred to as a COW — Curriculum on Wheels.

However, her contention that these funds are earmarked “to help disadvantaged children learn reading and math” is incorrect. All of the “title” funds, the federal funds that flow to states and local public schools, have been rolled into the No Child Left Behind program. No Child Left Behind funds are not restricted to reading and math as she inaccurately reports.

Teachers and administrators use whatever funds they can at their discretion to achieve the results they strive for. Increasingly, the motivation is for teachers to teach better so that students will perform better on subject matter tests. Our product is helping thousands of teachers in 12 states teach kids concepts where textbooks and lectures alone fail. Our unique use of multiple forms of media, the ease of use of our patented device, and the comprehensiveness of the curriculum that we sell sets our offering apart and explains why our company is growing so rapidly.

Neil Bush is chairman and chief executive officer of Ignite! Learning.
.http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/01/04/opinion/letters/02letter4.txt
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 05:14 PM
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14. "No child left unrecruited" "No school board left standing" Major unfunded mandates...
The whole thing has given new meaning to the phrase "Teaching to the test." There's so much wrong with this bill I can't begin to think what is right with it.

If they do nothing else, Congress should cut the link between schools and the Department of Defense.

Hekate

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harpboy_ak Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:05 PM
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17. One size does NOT fit all!
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 09:14 PM by harpboy_ak

Many Democrats, along with education reform and business groups, say a patchwork of standards is inefficient. They also say students in states with low standards will have trouble competing in the global economy. Many other industrial nations have more stringent standards than those in the U.S.


The act is simply screwy, and wastes everyone's time. Students should be learning skills and facts, and how to think, not how to pass multiple choice tests! Education involves more than drills on test topics, and many important parts of education like the arts (stats show that kids involved in the arts always learn more *and* get better grades), or outdoor field projects in the sciences. I learned quickly how to score high on standardized tests, but some other kids who were much smarter than me in some areas never did well on them, so I've never given them much credence.

In Alaska we have real problems with the act. If too many students in a school fail to meet their yearly goal or whatever the buzzword is, for several years, the district is supposed to allow them to attend another school in the district, or provide a tuition voucher for a private school. In rural Alaska, where English is not the first language, with most of the population living at or below the poverty line (the only thing saving them is the fact that they have subsistence hunting and fishing), with the next village 100 or so miles away, the school district HQ community of 1000 or over 300-400 miles away, and a two room school with two teachers, this simply can't work, and the Feds refuse to grant any waivers.

Parents don't want to leave the village (and all their tribal connections), there is no other school, and they've had very bad past experiences with boarding schools.

No Child Left Behind is also not fully funded, especially for rural areas of the country with very high costs. It also doesn't do well by schools that have a large number of students who are either highly mobile (farm laborers' kids) or whose first language is not English.

Education is a local responsibility, and states and local school boards should be the ones setting standards, not Congress and definitely the bureaucrats in Washington who spend all their time generating more and more paperwork for educators to fill out. We should get rid of about 90% of the educational bureaucracy in this country, put the administrators back in the classroom, and let teachers teach without filling out reams of paperwork and micromanagement by former teachers who have reached their Peter Principle Level Of Incompetence.

In addition, we should require that all teachers have a degree in a subject area before they are allowed to take the pedagogy and other "education" courses that supposedly turn them into instructors. Bachelor's degrees in Education should be replaced with a Master's degree.

(edit: to change size of district HQ community)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:31 PM
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18. About bloody time
Before it is too late. This NCLB has been and continues to be a disaster
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:57 PM
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19. Let's look at my 2nd period class, shall we?
Let's look at my 2nd period class, shall we? And then tell me that NCLB will save them. (names have been changed)

First off, a lot of teachers don't want to work in my school. We have trouble getting substitutes to a place whose nickname is "Drive By High." I work there primarily because it's the neighborhood I grew up in, so I feel more comfortable with students and parents. It's 65% Hispanic, 20% black, and the other 15% are evenly split between whites, Asian/PIs, and Native Americans. It's the most multicultural school in one of the nation's largest districts.

Even though we're in the same district, the per pupil expenditures at the rich, white, suburban schools are a thousand dollars or more per year. The xerox machine for English, foreign languages, and ELL rarely works. When it does, it is because I've jury-rigged it with rubberbands and LITERALLY chewing gum. Just last month, the history department had to go to the mat just to get enough toilet paper for the staff bathrooms.

Most of the administration is a joke. Our principal is a PE teacher who has no concept of what we do or how we do it. When, for instance, he instituted a policy of getting permission to play film or video clips (you can't play a whole movie, even if relevant), he tried to deny one teacher permission to play 20 minutes from "Of Mice and Men." On the grounds that if it had mice in it, it must be a cartoon, and therefore not relevant to high school students. He also leaves earlier than any of the teachers, the only administrator I've even heard of leaving early. His school improvement plan apparently consists of "teachers will not wear jeans," as if my choice in pants has an affect on student learning or isn't against contract. One AP has been through three schools in three years because of sexual harassment, and he's doing it again at our school.

Second period is remedial freshmen English.

Last year it was a hundred percent ELL students, because they didn't have enough ELL teachers. I spent half my time teaching, poorly, in broken Spanish. (It was actually kind of neat: the kids respected me for trying, and they learned a lot of English while they were teaching me Spanish). This year only 50% have ever been ELL. Interesting, because only 10% weren't born in the United States.

Jimmy has ADD. And not just the ADD that you pay a doctor to diagnose for you, but real ADD. He scares people with his outlandish behavior, and sometimes switches topics in mid-sentence. He wants to work his way up to assistant manager at the McDonald's he works 40 hours a week at (in violation of state law). He doesn't think he's good enough to ever be the general manager, and assistant's good enough for him.

Mayra A. stole a nurse's pass and filled it in with "Eric A. needs to be excused so he can go suck my P****." She also turned in a paragraph on the same subject, and has, in fact, been caught in middle school having her p***** sucked. She also suspects that latex causes ovarian cancer, and is hence unwilling to use prophylactics, and the mom believes that only sluts use birth control pills.

Jeffrey has always been little, the size of your average fifth grader in high school, and convinced that people are out to get him because he's little. He doesn't see the connection between him being a total, complete jerk and people wanting to fight him. He shot another freshman in the foot this year. I can be thankful that he's a piss-poor shot: 12 rounds, aimed at the head, at point-blank range.

Mayra B. is intelligent, outgoing, confidant, and generally well-liked. She has to be, since her entire family is MS13. Mom at home, dad in prison, uncles, brothers ... all hardcore gangbangers. And in 10 years of school, I was the first teacher to ever tell her that she was smart enough to go to college. In fact she's BRILLIANT, but comes from a culture so different from most of ours that most people don't recognize it. I got her involved in a college-prep thing, tutor during lunch when needed, and basically hold her hand until her academic confidence rises to the challenge. Last week I caught her stealing a pair of my scissors.

Why? "Cause some bitch be fucking with me at lunch, and I might need to shank her."

"Hon, what have I told you about language like that? It's not 'some bitch BE fucking with me,' it's 'some bitch IS fucking with me.' And give me the scissors back. There will be no shanking."


Jovanny is one of the smartest kids I've ever known, period. If he'd been born in the United States, he could be a senator someday. Diligent, honest, honorable, polite ... this is the son that every father wants. Unfortunately, he's been here less than a year, so his English skills are still weak. Honors math classes, remedial English classes. I let him turn in a few assignments in Spanish, just so I could know if he was capable of forming a coherent thought (unlike most freshman), and his writing skills are excellent.

His grades started going down towards the end of the year, the work ethic bottoming out. It turned out that his dad had gone back to Mexico for the grandfather's funeral, and was having trouble getting back across the border (they were illegal). The mom had taken a second job, and Jovanny was working odd jobs to raise the three grand needed to get the forged documents (the desert crossing is only $1,500, but far more dangerous) so that dad could come home.

Mary is underperforming and not really interested in school. But when I needed to splice a wire to jury-rig the speakers to the projector, she produced both a switchblade to strip the wires and a soldiering iron to hardwire a good connection. It turns out that she doesn't like school much, but she DOES like repairing electronics, as well as cutting things with her switchblade.

Last year, my remedial class threw me a surprise birthday party, complete with cake and candles. They even went to the swap meet to buy me presents -- two teddy bears that they said looked like me and a Corona Beer shirt.

One of my worst-behaved students -- one I thought hated my guts -- gave me the most thoughtful Christmas present I have ever received this year. A six-pack of Budweiser he stole from his dad. "I stole it out of the fridge just this morning, so it would still be cold," he said.

We're failing AYP this year for the fifth time. Although the majority of our kids, at least in Language Arts, actually passed the test and made AYP, we didn't have the 95% attendance rate (we had 93% attendance), so we're counted as failing. What we're doing is working, though, and our scores are higher than any other high school in the area.

I work anywhere from 50-70 hours a week for these kids. I go to their volleyball games, I go to their musicals, I go to their art shows. I tutor them, I plan for them, I advise two clubs for them. I go to volunteer, unpaid trainings and pay my own money to take graduate classes, all so I can be a better teacher. I do have my weak spots, God knows, but all in all I'm a pretty solid teacher.

And because we're failing AYP, I have to reapply for my job at this school. It should be easy with this principal: I don't need to be a good teacher, I just need to make a few sports references and maybe turn on the East Texas twang. Even if I get rehired at this school, the federal government threatens to cut off all funding for an already underfunded school.

Some asshole in Washington who has never tried to teach a day in his life is going to tell me about education. Thanks for reading the rant. I think I'm feeling a little bitter today :).



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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 01:12 AM
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21. Thank you for that. I tried subbing at a high school last year.
I'm just not cut out for it. I'm working on my MA in US History. I don't have the guts to do what you do. I just wish they'd let you teach. Just teach.

How the hell can you be expected to get these kids to pass a standardized test when they--

A) Don't want to be there. B) Can't speak the language in which the tests are given. C) Don't have the coping skills necessary to sit still for more than 3 minutes. D) Find it impossible (sometimes rightly so) to comprehend what the hell good the lousy test is going to do them in the long run.

You deserved that six pack. :toast:
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 11:56 PM
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26. Subbing's not the same as actually teaching.
There was a guy, whose name I forget (because I have a memory like a sieve -- maybe it was the sixpacks), who talked about a "bank." The regular teacher has a lot of money invested in this bank, and when he really wants the children to behave, he can withdraw from this bank, he can get them to behave. A substitute, however, is not around long enough to invest any money into this bank.

A guest teacher has it worse than anybody. A professor I once had recommended subbing, because, "That's the worst any teacher can do. If you can substitute for a week, you can teach anything." To paraphrase the late, great Rodney Dangerfield, substitutes "get no respect."

You might try subbing at a middle school. It's a place where you can still use your history degree, and, if you can get past the weird hormonal thing, can actually be a lot of fun. Middle school kids still don't have their opinion locked in stone; you can make a difference just by making things fun. Middle schools take a special person, though, and I know know that I don't have it. If I don't teach The Crucible or Huck Finn at least once a year, I get stir crazy. This year, in fact, I want to teach Grapes of Wrath.

And I did deserve that six pack! :toast: Thanks, and a :toast: to you!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:23 AM
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22. Thank you for your service in this war zone
:wow:
And thank you for a brilliant reality-check. I'm sure you've already written this to your Senator and Congressman -- if not, you should. The clowns who passed NCLB into law should spend a year in your school and have their noses rubbed in it.

I'm too tired to write more, but I want to say how much I appreciate every teacher like you.

Hekate

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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 11:38 PM
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24. Sadly, it's not even a war zone.
Maybe some of our areas are, but most of it's better than when I live there. When I was growing up in this neighborhood, it was mostly poor white and poor black, but the influx of Mexican (mostly) immigrants has really improved things. new businesses, new houses, new infrastructure. Most of the housing projects are gone in favor of Section 8, for instance, and to be stereotype shamelessly, most of the Mexican families are dedicated, thankful homeowners who believe in their homes and their neighborhoods. It's not nearly as bad as when I lived there.

The biggest problem I've found with parenting in this neighborhood isn't so much a lack of concern, it's a failure or lack of ability to advocate for their children. At the rich, white schools, if a teacher screws up, the parents have the money and connections to make sure that it's front page news. They have the background knowledge to understand how to get their kid in honors classes, how to get attention, and how to get the best for their kids. Remember that for the vast majority of parents in a low SES school, an tenth grade education is a luxury.

And while I appreciate your thanks, it's not necessary. If there is some kind of cosmic plan for us, then teaching there is mine. I'm not special in any way, just lucky.

I wake up every morning, quite literally, thankful that I get to teach at this school in this neighborhood.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 12:58 AM
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20. Bottom line, our message to Dems should be REPEAL NCLB.
It's poorly-written legislation in the first place. Though I would consider amendments to the existing act, really, it's so bad I think starting over would be the best thing. This doesn't help our kids learn any better than they did before NCLB. In fact, they may be learning LESS, given that teachers no longer have ample time to implement curriculum or cover all the lessons previously taught. They are just teaching students how to take a test and pass it. We're not devoting enough time to life-applicable concepts such as critical thinking. We're simply giving them test after test after test, and if they pass, we say they are making "adequate progress."

By whose standards? Why, the vastly different standards that depend on which state you live in.

The real winners of the NCLB Act are the assessment, scoring, and private tutoring corporations.

The losers are our nation's students and teachers.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 11:50 PM
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25. Is this going to be like the Medicare reform non-reform? n/t
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