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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:21 PM
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Prosecutor says Libby destroyed Cheney memo
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 12:45 PM by sabra

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16770023/

Prosecutor says Libby destroyed Cheney memo
Fitzgerald says VP told his former top aide about CIA agent's identity



WASHINGTON - Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald used his opening statement in the CIA leak trial Tuesday to allege that Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff lied and destroyed a note showing Cheney's early involvement.

Fitzgerald said Cheney told his chief of staff, “Scooter” Libby, in 2003 that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA and Libby spread that information to reporters. When that information got out, it triggered a federal investigation.

“But when the FBI and grand jury asked about what the defendant did,” Fitzgerald said, “he made up a story.”

Fitzgerald alleged that Libby in September 2003 “destroyed” a Cheney note just before Libby's first FBI interview when he said he learned about Wilson from reporters, not the vice president.

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:21 PM
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1. Is he already being charged with 'obstruction'?
If not, add it to the list! :evilgrin:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:24 PM
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3. I believe it is five counts of Lying and two of obstruction
I could be wrong though, maybe someone who is better informed could tell us..
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:28 PM
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5. Four perjury one obstruction
The Libby lawyers were claiming if he's found innocent of perjury the obstruction should be automatically tossed. But that doesn't seem to be what the jury will be instructed.

- Two counts lying to FBI agents
- Two counts lying to a grand jury
- One count, obstruction of justice
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:07 PM
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14. but ... but ... but ... Mannthrax Coultergeist says that "perjury" is not a
criminal offense (well, now ...)
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:12 PM
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25. Mannthrax Coultergeist
Excellent!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:01 PM
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30. Not my original
It may be, but is just an amalgam (for lurking freepturds, a combination ... for the real hardcore lurking freepturds, "i mushed them together!") of other synonyms (for lurking freepturds, ... ah, fuck it ...) that have come about ...
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:32 PM
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7. 1 count of obstruction, 2counts false statements, and
2 counts perjury.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf

I don't see anything in there specifically about destroying documents. I might have missed it though.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:08 PM
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16. ... and a partridge in a pear tree!
:bounce: They should also charge him for being an asshat. :bounce:

Woot!!!
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:22 PM
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2. I hope they both fry for this.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:26 PM
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4. Merry Fitzmas!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:29 PM
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6. Wow. Did anyone know about the memo destruction? Calling H2OMan!
I don't recall hearing about that - was it in the indictment?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:46 PM
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18. H2O Man said yesterday that a lot will be revealed from this trial.
And he's right as usual.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:49 PM
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20. Do you notice that H2OMan is never around here when Fitz is in court?
Hmmmmm . . . .
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:07 PM
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22. LOL! Don't I wish!
:)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 03:01 PM
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27. Here's a scene from that movie:

;)
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:37 PM
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8. be sure to watch the video int the link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16770023


lots of damning evidence about Cheney


Prosecutor: Cheney deeply involved in CIA leak
Jan. 23: Prosecutors revealed that Vice President Cheney was much more deeply involved in the leak of CIA agent Valerie Wilson's identity than previously known. Hardball's David Shuster reports.
video is 5 minutes
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:39 PM
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9. Jeez, Dick better check his batteries.
He's going to be under some stress.
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:40 PM
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10. Dick has gone to his "undisclosed location"
...and has taken his shotgun with him.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:42 PM
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12. can't wait to see the look on his face tonight :-)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:09 PM
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23. David Shuster says "prosecutors are prohibited from taking questions"
No Fitz pics. :(
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:42 PM
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11. When will Darth be frog-marched?




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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:00 PM
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13. Remember the picture that was making the rounds...
of the shredder truck leaving the Cheney compound? What other "evidence" of the innumerable crimes that Dick Cheney has committed has been destroyed?
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:07 PM
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15. I must say today is looking like it will be a great day for justice
I honestly had really low expectations for this trial, I had been disappointed too many times in the past and I was starting to think this thing was going to die. I should have never underestimated Fitzgerald however, he was just playing it cool until now when he has the chance to hit harder than anyone expected him to. I knew he was a smart man, but now I realize just how smart he is.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 06:10 PM
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33. Amen! Wish I had his patience... nt
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:33 PM
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17. Did anyone see this OTHER part of the Story???

Defense: Libby was sacrificed

In their opening statements, Libby's attorneys said Bush administration officials tried to blame him for the leak to cover up for presidential adviser Karl Rove’s own disclosures.

Jan. 23: Judging by the prosecutor's opening arguments, Vice President Dick Cheney's role in the CIA leak case could be significant. NBC News analyst Jonathan Alter reports.
MSNBC

Attorney Theodore Wells said Libby went to Cheney in 2003 and complained that the White House was subtly blaming him for leaking Plame’s identity to columnist Robert Novak.

They’re trying to set me up. They want me to be the sacrificial lamb,” Wells said, recalling the alleged conversation between Libby and Cheney. “I will not be sacrificed so Karl Rove can be protected.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16770023/
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:49 PM
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19. I hope they drag Karl Rove's butt back into this.
This is goanna be good! :bounce:
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 06:21 PM
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34. are all our dreams going to come true?
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:02 PM
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21. That headline should read: "Deep Shit?"
:evilgrin:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:17 PM
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31. "Got Treason?"
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:11 PM
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24. The RATS are jumping off the SS Bushit. heheheheh
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:30 PM
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26. without this trial, none of this would come out...Fitz is really making a difference
in history. Today is a powerful day - Libby will tell all to save himself.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 03:21 PM
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28. I wasn't going to watch the State of the Union address, but now I can't wait to see the thin white
line of fear gathering on Cheney's upper lip:

popcorn:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:18 PM
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32. Would George be angry or relieved if Cheney needed a little
defibrillation in the middle of the speech?
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 03:42 PM
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29. Time to say..
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 11:28 PM
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35. I thought I heard Jonathan Alter or Al on the Franken show say that
Cheney destroyed his message to Libby? Was anyone listening to Alter and Franken?
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:55 AM
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36. So, Libby will be cleared, Fitz won't go after cheney or rove
Cheney and rove must be above the law.

Libby will win his jury trial by claiming he was set up, and fitzgerald has already indicated that he won't go after Cheney or Rove. So at the end of the day, fitzgerald bungles the whole thing by prosecuting the wrong guy.



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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:35 AM
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37. LOL, don't worry, Fitzgerald knows what he is doing
All Libby will do is bring down other cabal members with him.
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