Saddam Arrest Cheer Fades Into Iraqi Ire at US

[leftchick]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20031215/ts_nm/iraq_mood_dc

<snip>BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Joy at the capture of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) gave way to resentment toward Washington Monday as Iraqis confronted afresh the bloodshed, shortages and soaring prices of life under U.S. occupation.

The morning after Iraq's U.S. governor revealed the ousted strongman was a disheveled prisoner, Iraqis flooded the streets to snatch up newspapers emblazoned with photos of the man who ruled them by fear, now humbled and captive.

Many were ecstatic to see Saddam captured and hoped he would answer for his deeds but said they would not rush to thank America -- in their eyes the source of their problems since a U.S.-led coalition toppled Saddam in April.

"I hope that we get the chance to try him our way, to let everyone who suffered make him taste what he had made us taste," said Ali Hussein, 29, a stationery shop owner who said he was still dizzy with joy.

"But whether he's in a hole or in jail, it does nothing for me today, it won't feed me or protect me or send my children to school," he said.

[ClintonTyree]

1. There's got to be a morning after...............

or so the old song goes, the jubilation of the Iraqi's will fall prey to the fact that their country is still be occupied and thier resources stolen by the Bush cabal.
The king is dead, long live the king. At least Bush won't kill QUITE as many as Saddam did, but their condition isn't about to improve greatly in the near future.

[Tansy_Gold]

2. "Their condition isn't about to improve."

And neither is ours. That's what we have to keep in mind -- and keep pounding home to those who aren't yet convinced.

[radfringe]

5. don't forget Bush*'s comment last may or june

about Saddam "no longer a concern"...

makes sense - if Saddam wasn't a concern then, he's of no concern now - so why would anything change in Iraq because he's been "captured"

granted Saddam's capture is some sort of "symbol" but if you want a "symbol" - best "git" OBL

[aquart]

8. Don't assume as many won't die because of BushCo.

Bush has started something he has no way to stop.

Overpopulation probably won't be a problem in that area for a very long time.

[starroute]

10. Bush may not kill as many, but far more people are at risk

In Saddam's Iraq, as long as you weren't an enemy of the regime, you could feel secure. This made life for most Iraqis reasonably calm and predictable.

In Bush's Iraq, nobody is safe. You can't go out marketing without wondering if you're going to be shot up. You can't sit at home without wondering if you're going to be bombed. The basic necessities -- fuel, electricity, education, medical care -- have become chancy. Life is uncertain, unpredictable, and chaotic.

Ordinary Iraqis had no overwhelming personal reason to want to be rid of Saddam. But every citizen of Iraq has reason to want to be rid of the Americans.

[Myra]

14. Good point starroute.

"The only difference is that Saddam would kill you in private,
where the Americans will kill you in public," he said."

Woah.

[jpgray]

3. The US *created* Saddam, you myopic ninnyhammers!

Our press is just a national embarrassment.

edit: ninnyhammers is the pejorative that better describes the bitter exhortations of my soul.

:D

[Cooley Hurd]

12. ...not to mention you have Spiro Agnew beat!

"myopic ninnyhammers" totally beats "nattering nabobs of negativity."
:thumbsup:

[Tinoire]

4. What? Bush miscalculated again?

Say it isn't so! Tell me they're celebrating like all the Morans over here! Surely there must be some mistake!

</sarcasm>

Well, if it's not a mistake, they're simply the most ungrateful people on earth ((yes, I read that in a forum some of our DUers like these days)).

I wonder where the person who sent me this unsolicited PM out of the blue is?

Why are you not elated at the news that Saddam Hussein has been captured? The fact is, Saddam was like a mini Hitler. He killed hundreds of thousands of people during his reign, and I personally find it disgusting that some people are not cheering his capture.

[Skittles]

6. it's worse than you think, Tinoire

the fact is, our f***wit "president" will mishandle this the way he has mishandled everything. Remember all the world's goodwill he so easily pissed away after 9/11? Watch him do it again.

[Tinoire]

16. It's so disgusting. Not one day goes by without me cursing him

I swear if I walk past the TV and that idiot is on, I give the TV two fingers. I can't believe this nightmare! (By the way, good to run into you away from the lounge!) :hi:

PS: Please don't tell me it's worse than I think! Any worse than what I think already and I'll explode from rage. Though sadly... I know, it is worse... Our human minds have a built-in mechanism to shield us I'm sure... And THANK GOODNESS!

[AngryAmish]

7. Of Course

What do you expect? Bushco will screw the country up worse now than ever. Now he hopes to really start to steal the oil.

[dusty64]

9. Thats why I was scratching

my head listening to the sickening whores yesterday crowing that everyone who was against this "war" has now been proven wrong. What has honestly changed for a few days ago?

[leftchick]

11. exactly.....

Iraq is still in a shambles, people are dying daily and it most likely will get worse. Saddam means nothing....

[Betty]

13. Proven wrong??????

I thought the reason we went to war was because of the WMD's... not to capture saddam in a rat-hole. Seems even he isn't saying where the WMD's are.

If the reason we went to war was to rid the Iraqis of a brutal dictator, then when does the invasion of North Korea begin????And how many other countries are in line after that? There's plenty of ruthless dictators out there. Let's get going!!!!! Who cares how much it costs, I am sure that all true Americans will NEVER question this administration again.

[JohnyCanuck]

15. And how many other countries are in line after that?

Well there is Dubya's and Tony Poodle's new best friend in Uzbekistan who apparently prefers to boil his own people alive rather than gas them to death.

President Karimov government was awarded $500m in aid from the Bush administration in 2002. The SNB (Uzbekistan's security service) received $79m of this sum.

The U.S. State Department web site states "Uzbekistan is not a democracy and does not have a free press. Many opponents of the government have fled, and others have been arrested." and "The police force and the intelligence service use torture as a routine investigation technique."

Now I would like to introduce you to Muzafar Avazov, a 35-year old father of four. Mr Avazov had a visit from our presidents friends security force (SNB), the photographs below detail the brutality and inhuman treatment our tax dollars subsidize, with the full knowledge of our president and his administration.

<snip>

Human Rights Watch has learned that the body of Muzafar Avazov, a 35-year old father of four, showed signs of burns on the legs, buttocks, lower back and arms. Sixty to seventy percent of the body was burnt, according to official sources. Doctors who saw the body reported that such burns could only have been caused by immersing Avazov in boiling water. Those who saw the body also reported that there was a large, bloody wound on the back of the head, heavy bruising on the forehead and side of the neck, and that his hands had no fingernails.


www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3943.htm

We all know of course Karimov has absolutely nothing to fear as long as he kisses Bush's ass, does what he is told and doesn't get too upity with himself.

A naive British diplomat actually thought the correct thing to do would be to apply diplomatic pressure to stop the torture of uzbekis. Silly fellow, he must have been watching the media whores on CNN and Fox who make believe Dubya really does give a shit about human rights and evildoer dictators that torture their own citizens.

The British ambassador to Tashkent, who was subjected to an apparent smear campaign after he spoke out against human rights abuses in Uzbekistan, is to return to his post, diplomatic sources said yesterday.

The move is a humiliating climbdown for the Foreign Office which accused Craig Murray, its youngest ambassador, of misdemeanours including being drunk at work, bad driving and fraternising late into the night with locals, in what friends saw as a bid to remove an embarrassment to Downing Street's foreign policy.

<snip>

Mr Murray gave a scathing speech condemning the Uzbek human rights record last year, which infuriated Tashkent officials. Uzbekistan's secret police "use torture as a routine investigation technique", according to Washington, who last year also funded the same secret services to the tune of $80m.

Uzbekistan is home to a vital supply base for the Nato operation Enduring Freedom in neighbouring Afghanistan.


www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1081371,00.html