Two Ohio Election Workers Found Guilty Of Rigging Vote Recount

[orleans]

"CLEVELAND Two election workers in Ohio have been convicted of rigging the recount of the 2004 presidential tally in one county.

"Elections coordinator Jacqueline Maiden and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer of Cuyahoga (ky-uh-HOH'-guh) County were each found guilty of negligent misconduct of an elections employee. That's a felony that could mean up to 18 months in prison.

"The two were also convicted of a misdemeanor count of failure of elections employees to perform their duty. Each was acquitted of five other charges.

"Maiden and Dreamer were accused of secretly reviewing pre-selected ballots before the recount in Cuyahoga County to avoid a more costly, time-consuming hand count of all votes.

"Cuyahoga is Ohio's most populous county. It was Ohio that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Senator John Kerry."
http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5984934&nav=HMO6HMaW

[AndyA]

1. Anyone still believe that there's a chance in hell Bush won the Presidency?

:(

[Tigress DEM]

10. Never have. He's not MY President. He's just a pRes.

[L. Coyote]

51. NEW Jan. 2007: How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes

Election Reform thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=466044&mesg_id=466044

Defining the vote outcome probabilities of wrong-precinct voting has revealed, in a sample of 166,953 votes (1/34th of the Ohio vote), the Kerry-Bush margin changes 6.15% when the population is sorted by probable outcomes of wrong-precinct voting.

The Kerry to Bush 6.15% vote-switch differential is seen when the large sample is sorted by probability a Kerry wrong-precinct vote counts for Bush. When the same large voter sample is sorted by the probability Kerry votes count for third-party candidates, Kerry votes are instead equal in both subsets.

Read the revised article with graphs of new findings:

The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes

http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html



A small spreadsheet for Excel users teaches a little statistics:

http://jqjacobs.net/politics/xls/cuyahoga_t_tests.xls

The PowerPoint is useful for educators/lecturers:

http://jqjacobs.net/politics/vote_switching.ppt

[Eurobabe]

2. There's a few down at Warren Co. BOE that are probably

guilty of the same thing. Remember the city govt. office that was locked down to observers because of a "terrorist" threat? Total crap.

Someone needs to investigate these goons too. :mad:

[Tigress DEM]

13. Warren was the last county counted.

Ohio has been going all out to clear their name even though Ken Blackwell has been sitting on evidence all this time.

Some of it came out in the lawsuit he waged against the lawyers who tried to sue him & bush & chenney of election fraud. 900 pages of evidence & personal affidavidits of voters who got screwed in Ohio 2004.

[Tigress DEM]

14. Warren was the last county counted.

Ohio has been going all out to clear their name even though Ken Blackwell has been sitting on evidence all this time.

Some of it came out in the lawsuit he waged against the lawyers who tried to sue him & bush & chenney of election fraud. 900 pages of evidence & personal affidavidits of voters who got screwed in Ohio 2004.

[Eurobabe]

19. Ah, do you think they were controlling tabulators from voting machines

with the help of their local pals Diebold?

[roseBudd]

27. The majority of counties in OH '04 were Triad or ES&S punchcards

and some ES&S optiscans. Franklin used a DRE called the Shooptronic.

[Eurobabe]

39. You mean Warren County didn't use machinery from their local buds Diebold?

I'm shocked, just shocked I tell you.

[roseBudd]

42. They were punchcards and they were administered by Triad, Hamilton was ESS&S

punchcards, as was Butler. Clermont was ES&S Optiscan

ES&S had mostly populous counties, Triad had smaller cities, rural, suburban and exurban areas.

[ohio2007]

23. Cuyahoga is a blue county . Isn't there a website that shows how each county in every state voted?

voting in southern, central and western ohio turned the state red. The "rustbelt" counties from Cleveland to Youngstown were red.

[roseBudd]

26. someone should use one of their anonymous email accounts to send the

Cleveland story to Susan Johnson, Leslie Spaeth and Frank Young all of Warren County Gov't.

[rexcat]

31. Actually it was the County Office building...

in Lebanon, OH (County Seat) and according to the Democrats I know who work at the Warren County BOE there were no shenanigans in th '04 ballot count. The County official who shut the building down is a total idiot but anything to do with ballot tampering is pure speculation. There is no hard proof.

The turn out in this extremely "red" county was very high. The county is 88% republican but Bush*, if I remember correctly, got about 2/3 of the vote, not the 88% one would have expected.

[wakeme2008]

3. This could be interesting if these ppl start talking about all the (nom)

rigging... :popcorn:

[Der Blaue Engel]

Well, whadya know?

Someday the whole truth will come out about the criminal enterprise that screwed this country.

[Botany]

4. And the media is going to cover this when?

OHIO's '04 ELECTION WAS DIRTY & SO WAS THE RECOUNT .......

THIS WAS NOT DONE SO AS TO KEEP SOME LAZY WORKERS FROM HAVING TO
DO MORE WORK .... THIS WAS DONE SO AS TO KEEP UP THE LIE BUSH WON OHIO.

?

[LynzM]

9. Wow. Haven't seen that graphic before.

DAMN. I'm passing that one along, in conjunction with this article....

[Kolesar]

15. Cle Plain Dealer--Two election workers guilty of negligence, but exonerated on conspiracy charges

http://www.cleveland.com/newslogs/plaindealer/
Jury finds election workers fudged procedures


4:44 p.m.

A jury found two Cuyahoga County election workers guilty today of charges that they fudged Board of Elections procedures to thwart a countywide ballot recount after the bitterly divisive 2004 presidential election.

The jury convicted Kathleen Dreamer, 40, of Cleveland and Jacqueline Maiden, 59, of Richmond Heights on one felony and one misdemeanor each. They had each been charged with seven counts and were exonerated on five counts apiece, including all charges that they knowingly conspired to break the law and violate their duties. Instead, they were found guilty of being criminally negligent.

The jurors cleared a third coworker, 54-year-old Rosie Grier of Cleveland, on all charges.

Dreamer and Maiden did not make any outward sign of emotion, but their lawyers said afterward they were distressed at verdicts that the defense attorneys said were clear indications of jury confusion.

Maiden's lawyer, Robert Rotatori, said the result was "obviously a compromise verdict," because little more than two hours before jurors told Common Pleas Judge Peter Corrigan they had reached unanimous verdicts, they sent the court a message saying they were hopelessly deadlocked.
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[Quantess]

50. Don't hold your breath waiting for the media to pounce on this story.

The worst part is, you can't turn back time. Nothing can change the fact that Bush has been our presdumbent for the past 6 years. Those are 6 years gone forever.

[L. Coyote]

52. "embarrassing to admit years of blindness to facts"

The real story is the vote-switching, but it would be embarrassing to admit years of blindness to facts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=466044&mesg_id=466044

Can this be kept half-buried forever? It cannot and the truth will always be there. At best, the spin must be amplified and fine-tuned in the fact of such facts.

What matters is what the People know. Don't expect partisans to indict their own champion. Admit the media is partisan, always has been, always will be, and then get on with Being the Media!

This conviction is not a big story, except to the extent that it was useful to spin doctors. It offered an opportunity to place the focus on "lazy Dem workers" and "problems in Dem areas," etc. In the media, it seems a complete ruse, at best, to distract from the real crime, stealing votes by whatever means suited.

So, this story had no real traction to begin with. The lying may become a big story though. It's the cover-up, stupid....

A 6.15% Kerry-Bush vote-switch is a big story, so don't expect that one to be propagated like the ruse was.

[hyphenate]

5. It's about time

Unfortunately, we can't take back the last two fucking years, or the 2 years to come of this monstrosity of an administration. But if we can arrest over 50% of the assholes who rigged 2004, perhaps we can make a fair election in 2008.

[xchrom]

6. GASP! funny business in the ohio recount --

surely you jest?!?!

and those poor people found guilty?!?! what ever were they thinking?!?!

:eyes:

[ChiciB1]

7. SADISTICALLY Weird!! Personally, I Didn't Need Extra Proof!

I live in Florida so maybe I don't expect much anymore!!!

America got hijacked, hacked and screwed way back in 2000 and "the beat goes on!" Anyone listening to THE DICK with Wolfie??

No further proof is needed!

[hughee99]

8. While it seems that they didn't follow elections procedures...

was there any evidence that what they did helped * or hurt Kerry? Before I go citing this as proof that * rigged the election, I'd like to find out.

[peace13]

11. I have never seen a mistake publicized that was in Kerry's favor.

I live in Ohio and have paid pretty close attention to this issue.

[hughee99]

17. That's the thing...

I didn't see any information about how their criminal activity may affected the vote count, or if it actually did at all. If an election coordinator is a locally elected or appointed position, I would assume being in Cuyahoga county, these two are probably not hardcore repukes. If this is the case, it's at least possible that whatever they did wasn't done with the intention of helping *, and I don't want to cite this as evidence of * rigging elections, if I don't even know the whole story. Based on this article

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/01/19/ohio_county_presidential_recount_rigged_to_avoid_work_prosecutor_says/?rss_id=Boston+Globe+--+Today's+paper+A+to+Z

It seems like this may not be part of the BFEE election rigging system.

[orleans]

38. here is a reason what they did hurt kerry & the rest of us

if the election was rigged and we made it as far as a recount then we were deprived of the opportunity to get a proper count and demonstrate that cuyahoga county was stolen--if we could have gained votes in this county and the other counties in question--life would be a lot different.

just the fact that they screwed around with the recount hurt all the candidates except for bush

"Ohio gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry and hold on to the White House in 2004. Statewide, Bush won by about 118,000 votes out of 5.5 million cast. Green Party candidate David Cobb and Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik sought the recount and complained about its procedure.

"In Cuyahoga County, a Democratic stronghold where about 600,000 ballots were cast, the recount did not have much effect on the results. Kerry gained 17 votes and Bush lost six.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/19/ap/politics/mainD8MO41I00.shtml

on edit: and i've heard/read about the dirty politics in ohio and a lot of so-called dems in election positions that are dems in name only.

[Dover]

12. The sentence for this crime needs to be increased considerably

considering the vast consequences. AND if it can be proved that it made a difference in the result then there ought to be an automatic re-vote.

And....who hired these guys? Are their last names for real or is it really true that there is a parallel universe, a 'Disney for Dubya' kinda place, with people whose names are Dreamer and Maiden?

[The Count]

16. So? What's the legal consequence for us? restitution? Bueler? Anyone?

[Robbien]

18. We still are stuck with the imposter

But Ohio has some changing to do.

[RaRa]

21. I'd like to know too at least hypothetically

what would the recourse be if the courts determined now that Kerry won?

[slackmaster]

22. None, even if it could be proved that their actions actually changed the outcome

Unfortunately, there may be no way to do that.

[emulatorloo]

20. kick n/t

[dipsydoodle]

24. Should've got 18 years

not 18 months. They have effectively contributed to the deaths of many US troops.

[llmart]

25. Blackwell and/or the Repugs.....

probably slipped them some extra money to do this.

[marshall]

29. Here they are

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070119/ap_on_el_pr/election_workers_trial

[MzNov]

28. And surprise! the "liberal" MSM isn't all over this... n/t

[Doctor_J]

30. I hope they go to real prison

a couple stretches of hard time might discourage abuses the next time around.

[eagler]

32. It is certainly ironic it happened on the same day

he bows out of the 08 race

[zann725]

33. A "guilty" decision on the VERY DAY Kerry decides NOT to run in '08.

Coincidental? Of course JK won Ohio, AND the Presidency. The timing of this court decision makes me even more nauseaus than all those ingratiating, clapping, begging for Prez signature Dem's last night at SOTU.

While the Ohio decision makes it CERTAIN that's TWO illegitimate terms for the Shrub. But hey, who cares? Just move on, without a thought to those who REALLY won '00 AND '04. Instead, let's just move on to this year's "flavor" of Prez favorites...Hilary and "O."

:puke:

[lovuian]

34. It was all a LIE

Our Congress our Governmnent let us down but Time will show us the TRUTH

[BradBlog]

35. A FEW MORE DETAILS...

TWO OHIO ELECTION OFFICIALS CONVICTED FOR RIGGING 2004 PRESIDENTIAL RECOUNT!
Will be Questioned by Special Prosecutor Before Sentencing to Learn if Higher Ups Involved
RELATED: Kerry Drops Out of 2008 Race. In Advance This Time.

FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4071

---
Brad Friedman
THE BRAD BLOG - The uprising continues...
http://www.BradBlog.com
VELVET REVOLUTION - The revolution begins...
http://www.VelvetRevolution.us

[classysassy]

36. Don't slap

their wrist too hard your honor.

[Up2Late]

37. WOW! Good to see that NONE! ZERO! Not a single NEWSPAPER has picked this up!

But hey, it's only been on the internet for NINE (9)HOURS now! Maybe they'll still "pick it up." :banghead: :crazy:

Google it in Google News if you doubt me.

Still think there's no RW MSM conspiracy?:mad:

[carincross]

40. unraveling of 2004 election theft coverup

Read Fitrakis and Wasserman's article: Do new Ohio recount prosecutions indicate unraveling of 2004 election theft cover-up? http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2362

[catgirl]

41. I Hope Blackwell Gets What He Deserves

I wonder how much he was paid.

There better be a full investigation. I'd
like to see the REAL results of the election.
John Kerry and the people of the US were
robbed by a bunch of RW criminals.

[mvd]

43. "in Cuyahoga County to avoid a more costly, time-consuming hand count of all votes"

Nope, I'm sure that was not the real reason. :-(

[Judi Lynn]

45. I'm sure you're right. Counting the votes correctly, and HONESTLY is what the people hire them to do

If they're working for the Republicans, they shouldn't take their salaries from the general population.

What a goddawful shame.

Maybe one of them will break down some day, and give up the names of the others. Can always hope.

[HuffleClaw]

44. some movie revealed this some time ago iirc

and of course it got little/no coverage

[silvermachine]

46. Kick

We shouldn't let this wither and die.

[daleo]

47. Tip of the iceberg probably

And a kick.

[Rex]

48. Cheated in 2000.

Cheated in 2004. Bet money they will cheat in 2008.

[NDN_Liberal]

49. I Was Right

Know this is really late, but have been busy getting the word out.
First learned about this last July when i heard about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s report. When i told an old republican friend of mine, he said he could not even talk to somebody who believed in such conspiracies.
Well, guess i was right after all.

[Javaman]

53. Ahh more of those good repuke values on display, I see. nt

[librechik]

54. kickety

:kick:

SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!!

I'm lookin at YOU, Mr. "Not Running for President in 08" Kerry!

[silvermachine]

55. I wish someone would as well...

...but I'm not holding out much hope. Just like when I hear some Dems saying how it doesn't do any good looking back on how we got into the Iraq war and that impeachment is off the table. I can't believe it. Maybe I should go out and kill a few people, then tell the cops "Well, it's over and done with now, no sense in going back and reheashing everything. We just need to find the best way of dealing with this 'new reality' so that we can move on." I'm sure that would fly...

[opihimoimoi]

56. The Republicans who cheated for Bush should be in Jail....for a long time...

They have helped killed our troops....maimed them....spent our tax monies on Bombs Bullets and Body Bags...

They have helped Bush ascend the Throne of the Oval Office and look at the damage that resulted...I hope they suffer for this crime...