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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 06:25 AM
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New life for US nuclear power plants

Friday, January 26, 2007


New life for US nuclear power plants


By Sudeep Reddy , The Dallas Morning News (MCT)

WASHINGTON: The US nuclear power industry is planning for a renaissance, drawing up its first applications to build nuclear plants since the 1970s.

Just a decade ago, many energy executives didn’t think nuclear power had much of a future. Strict regulations had led to costly downtime for reactors. The public showed little interest in betting billions on new plants.

Instead of fading away, the industry launched a revival, using a friendlier political climate to spur a regulatory overhaul.

Rules that had led to lengthy investigations and plant shutdowns became less restrictive. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission started embracing industry efforts to create alternative, less costly regulations.

Today, the turnaround is nearly complete. The electricity output of the nation’s remaining 103 reactors is at or near record highs.

Republicans and Democrats—and a growing number of environmentalists—are embracing nuclear power as a critical response to global warming and reliance on unstable oil suppliers. Wall Street is warming up to the idea of new construction....cont'd

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/jan/26/yehey/opinion/20070126opi6.html


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 06:42 AM
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1. No, I Don't Think So
The window of opportunity (GOP permission to trash the country) is over. Drop up your plans, but don't expect to put them to use any time in the next 20 years!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 06:44 AM
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2. Agreed. (nt)
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 06:57 AM
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3. I am not a proponent of nukes, but they are one of the few
non Greenhouse Gas producing technologies that we have. At this point, I'd rather see a nuke plant built than a coal or natural gas... of course, what I'd much rather see is every home and business with installed solar, more wind farms, tidal and wave farms, geothermal plants... but I'd rather see more nukes than fossil fuel plants... which kicks the "environmental crises" can down the street. And changes the problem from what to do about Global Warming to what to do about radioactive waste.

Of course, we could obviate the need for more of everything by changing our usage... simply switching to CFLs saves something like over twenty percent of the electricity currently used... that's a lot of nukes. And our gadgets and even this computer that I'm using could be far more energy efficient than it is. Folks would be surprised how much energy is being used by computers, cell phones, PDAs, gameboys and TVs.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 09:23 AM
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10. This is -- word for word -- the propaganda put out by the nuke industry - Are U working for them?
The TRUTH is nukes do cause Greenhouse Gas in the mining, processing of uranium and in the construction of new plants. When the high-grade ore runs out with hundreds of new plants, the low grade ore release 5 times as much greenhouse gases, EQUALING a combined cycle natural gas plant!

"It may well be true about the pebble bed and waste," he allows. "But then, okay, back to the old drawing board!"
- Stewart Brand on hearing that the new Pebble Nukes produce 10 times the radioactive waste of old designs




Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute reveals the truth of nuclear power economics and why this old technology can never be part of the solution for global warming.

Enthusiasts claim hypothetical new reactors might deliver a kilowatt-hour for 6¢, vs. 10+¢ for post-1980 plants. (Nearly 3¢ pays for delivery to customers.) But super-efficient gas plants or windfarms cost 5-6¢, cogeneration of heat and power often 1-5¢, and efficient lights, motors, and other electricity-saving devices under 2¢; and they're all getting cheaper.

... buying nuclear power instead makes global warming worse. Why? If delivering a new nuclear kWh cost only (say) 6¢, while saving a kWh cost (pessimistically) 3¢, then the 6¢ spent on the nuclear kWh could instead have bought two efficiency kWh.

Gales of Change: Global Annual Additions of Electrical Generating Capacity

In 2004, decentralized cogeneration and renewables, excluding big hydro dams (any over 10 megawatts), added 5.9 times as much worldwide net capacity as nuclear power added, and raised annual electricity production 2.9 times as much as nuclear power did. By the end of 2004, these decentralized, nonnuclear competitors' global installed capacity totaled ~411 GW*--12% more capacity than global nuclear plants' 366 GW--and produced ~92% as much electricity. Thus the "minor" alternative sources actually overtook nuclear's global capacity in 2003, rivaled its 2004 and will match its 2005 output, and should exceed its 2010 output by 43%. They already dwarf its annual growth. Official and industry forecasts indicate they'll add 177 times as much capacity in 2010 as dwindling nuclear power will. And they're dwarfed in turn by demand-side opportunities, not graphed here because reliable global implementation data aren't available.

So the big question about nuclear "revival" isn't just who'd pay for such a turkey, but also...why bother? Why keep on distorting markets and biasing choices to divert scarce resources from the winners to the loser--a far slower, costlier, harder, and riskier niche product--and paying a premium to incur its many problems? Nuclear advocates try to reverse the burden of proof by claiming it's the portfolio of non-nuclear alternatives that has an unacceptably greater risk of non-adoption, but actual market behavior suggests otherwise.

* About 266 GW (billion watts) of mostly gas-fired decentralized cogeneration (emitting ~30-80% less CO2, depending on fuel), 47 GW of wind, 47 small hydro, 37 biomass/waste, 10 geothermal, and 4 photovoltaics.

The world's nuclear plant vendors have never made money, and their few billion dollars' dwindling annual revenue hardly qualifies them any more as a serious global business. In contrast, the renewable power industry earns ~$23 billion a year by adding ~12 GW of capacity every year: in 2004, 8 GW of wind, 3 GW of geothermal/small hydro/biomass/wastes, and 1 GW of photovoltaics (69% of nuclear's 2004 new construction starts, which PVs should surpass this year). PV and windpower markets, respectively doubling about every two and three years, are expected to make renewable power a $35-billion business within eight years. And distributed fossil-fueled cogeneration of heat and power added a further 15 GW in 2004; it does release carbon, but ~30% less than the separate boilers and power plants it replaces, or up to ~80% less with fuel-switching.

Windpower's 50+ gigawatts of global capacity, half of U.S. nuclear power capacity, paused in 2004 due to Congressional wrangling, but is expected to triple in the next four years, mainly in Europe, which aims to get 22% of its electricity from renewables by 2010. One-fifth of Denmark's power now comes from wind; German and Spanish windpower are each adding as much capacity each year (2 GW) as the global nuclear industry is annually adding on average during 2000-10. No country has had or expects economic or technical obstacles to further major wind expansion. The International Energy Agency forecast in 2003 that in 2010, wind could add nine times as much capacity as nuclear added in 2004, or 84 times its planned 2010 addition. Eight years hence, just wind plus industry-forecast PVs could surpass installed global nuclear capacity. The market increasingly resembles a 1995 Shell scenario with half of global energy, and virtually all growth, coming from renewables by mid-century--about what it would take, with conservative efficiency gains, to stabilize atmospheric carbon.

Whenever nuclear power's competitors (even just on the supply side) were allowed to compete fairly, they've far outpaced central stations. Just in 1982-85, California utilities acquired and or were firmly offered enough cost-effective savings and decentralized supplies to meet all demand with no central fossil-fueled or nuclear plants. (Alas, before the cheaper alternatives could displace all those plants--and thus avert the 2000 power crisis--state regulators, spooked by success, halted the bidding.)

Today's nonnuclear technologies are far better and cheaper. They're batting 1.000 in the more competitive and transparent processes that have swept most market economies' electricity sectors and are emerging even in China and Russia. A few Stalinist economies like North Korea, Zimbabwe, and Belarus still offer ideal conditions for nuclear sales, but they won't order much, and you wouldn't want to live there.

No wonder the world's universities have dissolved or reorganized nearly all of their departments of nuclear engineering, and none still attracts top students--another portent that the business will continue to fall, as Nobel physicist Hannes Alfvén warned, "into ever less competent hands," buying ever less solution to any unresolved problem than in the days of the pioneers. Their intentions were worthy, their efforts immense, but their hopes of abundant and affordable nuclear energy failed in the marketplace.

- Amory Lovins

http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid1151.php



Nuclear advocates say there is a new "inherently safe" design, the Pebble Bed Modular Reactor. However, the only large Pebble Nuke resulted in a 1986 graphite fire in Germany, which the government then permanently closed as being "unsafe". Pebble nukes also produce 10 times the waste of conventional nukes.

Because they are "modular" and "inherently safe", the industry wants to build them all WITHOUT containment buildings, so they can keep adding reactors in series.
Yet they are not safe, as the German graphite fire and the resulting 2 km contamination showed.

More on the Pebble Nukes, the great glowing hope of the industry:


"It has some good features," says Dave Lochbaum at the Union of Concerned Scientists. "Studies have shown that even if a cooling line breaks, it won't melt down.

I've come to Lochbaum, who works out of a tiny, barely ventilated office in Washington, D.C., because he has a reputation among anti-nuclear activists and industry advocates alike for limiting his assertions to what he knows to be true. And his organization is as nervous about climate change as it is about the perils of nuclear power plants.

"By not using water you've significantly reduced the amount of low-level waste you generate," Lochbaum says, and then pauses. "On the other hand, there is no free lunch. While it may not melt down, it could catch on fire. The pebble bed is like the Chernobyl reactor in that it uses an awful lot of graphite. None of our reactors operating in the United States use graphite in the core. Graphite's just carbon. If the carbon catches on fire, it's pretty hard to put out. It's particularly hard if you're using airflow to cool the reactor, which the pebble bed does. If you have a fire and you stop the airflow, you also stop the heat removal. So you may stop the fire and start the meltdown.

"You may not be able to get `fireproof' and `meltdown proof,'" Lochbaum says. "You may have to pick one or the other."

Which one is worse?

"I don't know," he says. "The Three Mile Island accident was a meltdown. It released a lot of radioactivity into the environment. We've never been sure how much. Chernobyl was a fire. Smoke carried the radioactivity into the environment. I guess they're pretty much the same."

There's one other problem with the pebble-bed reactor, one that's less a safety issue than a logistical one: "Because the pebble-bed doesn't have the same power density, or octane rating, as our current plants do, it generates about 10 times as much spent fuel for the same amount of electricity." In other words, 10 times the waste.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/05/51/features-lewis.php


The other Big Lie of the nuclear industry, that there is no way a mix of solar and wind can replace fossil fuel-burning power plants to solve global warming. This is simply not true. Not only can renewables and natural gas Cogeneration replace coal and other fossil fuels, they are already racing past nuclear in terms of capacity worldwide (see above)! And as Lovins points out, nuke economics buys you only half the Kwh, other cleaner and more immediate approaches do, including conservation.

In fact, by conserving 20% of energy in the US, adding 30 GW of wind power by 2020, 15 GW of solar by 2020, 20 Mw of power from additional more efficient generators at existing dams by 2020 and retrofitting and planning for natural gas cogeneration and sequestration of carbon, the US can reduce carbon emissions dramatically by 2020 without any nuclear expansion at all.

And then there's the final point. After Chernobyl, Three-Mile Island and the near Besse-Davis reactor disaster in Ohio in 2002, it is simply not possible to site a nuke in the US without at least 15 to 20 years of site permitting and litigation by NIMBY activists.

That is so delayed, that Amory Lovins points out that this cost of waiting must be figured into the poor economics of nuclear power--which he did not even bother to do.

In the light of poor economics, the radioactive waste issue, the history of diasters and leaks, and factors I don't even have time to mention--such as increased terrorism (Australia reports the 8 terrorists arrested were casing the Sydney reactor site)--the thought that nuclear power can be revived from the asheap of history is a mistaken one.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:16 PM
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18. Well I don't for for nuclear power anythings and support them as a transient measure
1) Power needs are increasing. China is going to be building a tremendous amout of coal fired plants. That is a bad thing
2) Solar and other technologies are not there yet and WILL NEVER work for large cities. Energy demand is just to high compared to extractable energy density.

The long term answer is a mix of sources with reduced demand. However, the latter is just not happening.

All power sources are transient in the sense that they go from emergent to the standard to obsolete. Nuclear will be one of those.

Yes I understand the waste issue, but more carbon would seem to be worse.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:06 AM
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4. Pebble Bed Reactor Technology
Edited on Fri Jan-26-07 07:12 AM by RC
We need a power source that does not require oil or 10's of thousands of acres. We are running out of oil to burn and spare land for solar and wind if we want to continue to raise our own food.

Some facts:

Safety

Any PBMR station built in South Africa will adhere to the stringent local and international safety standards that are laid down for nuclear stations in South Africa and throughout the world.

The PBMR is walk-away safe. Its safety is a result of the design, the materials used and the physics processes rather than engineered safety systems as in a Koeberg type reactor.

The peak temperature that can be reached in the reactor core (1 6000 degrees Celsius under the most severe conditions) is far below any sustained temperature (2 000 degrees Celsius) that will damage the fuel. The reason for this is that the ceramic materials in the fuel such as graphite and silicone carbide - are tougher than diamonds.

Even if a reaction in the core cannot be stopped by small absorbent graphite spheres (that perform the same function as the control rods at Koeberg) or cooled by the helium, the reactor will cool down naturally on its own in a very short time. This is because the increase in temperature makes the chain reaction less efficient and it therefore ceases to generate power. The size of the core is such that it has a high surface area to volume ratio. This means that the heat it loses through its surface (via the same process that allows a standing cup of tea to cool down) is more than the heat generated by the decay fission products in the core. Hence the reactor can never (due to its thermal inertia) reach the temperature at which a meltdown would occur. The plant can never be hot enough for long enough to cause damage to the fuel.

http://www.eskom.co.za/nuclear_energy/pebble_bed/pebble_bed.html
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:19 AM
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5. The Entire Empty Quarter of this Country
could power the entire West Coast and most of the Middle, with no loss of food production. There's no water there to grow crops anyway, and such systems can be designed to run cattle grazing underneath them.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:58 AM
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7. Sure destroy another ecology system
Nothing lives in the desert anyway, correct?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:37 AM
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8. There's Always Mass Suicide, If You Are That Much of a Purist
Life is change. Eating is death of either plant, animal, or both. The middle way--survival of all, is not impossible; but it does require some ability to distinguish between the ridiculous and the sublime and the practical and the total destruction. Solar does minimal change upon the environment, on the same scale as living plants.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:55 AM
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6. Nuke Power
I am not opposed to nuclear power generation. Provided that NRC (or whoever they are these days)
over-site inspection and sound engineering are not compromised for the sake of economy.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:39 AM
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9. I Am Opposed to Nuclear Waste
and nuclear waste is generated in both the mining process and the power generation process.

We not only don't have a good way to keep these wastes from killing all life on earth for the forseeable future; we also have a lot of people in denial about that inevitable result of nuclear power.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:26 AM
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11. I have just the solution for you.
Go spend some quality time in the Environment/Energy forum with NNadir.
Just like me, you might learn something. That is, if you don't just cover your ears (eyes) and scream la-la-la-la-la-la-la at everything he writes.

:eyes:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:42 PM
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16. "killing all life on earth for the forseeable (sic) future" -- wtf?
It's plutonium, not the minions of Evil Lord Xenu.

Incidentally, due to US law, nuclear waste can't be recycled. This law was enacted to prevent proliferation, but it never worked. In fact, the law has backfired. In other parts of the world where recycling is allowed, the amount of nuclear waste is much, much smaller and the reactors are much more secure.

And just how many people has waste from nuclear reactors killed, anyway?

The "killing all life on earth for the forseeable future" angle is just FUD directed against the development of clean, efficient energy.

You must be working for the Ethanol industry.

--p!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:50 AM
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12. You know, as long as the move the entire NRC (DoE)...
You know, as long as the move the entire NRC (the DoE)
and all of their families from their current location(s)
to a new site exactly downwind and downwater of wherever
they end up storing the waste, I'm probably not opposed
to a renaissance of fission power either. ;)

Tesha
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GerryWolff Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:55 AM
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13. Solar, not nuclear
Regarding "New life for US nuclear power plants" (2007-01-26), there really is no need for nuclear power in the US because there is a simple mature technology available that can deliver huge amounts of clean energy without any of the headaches of nuclear power.

I refer to 'concentrating solar power' (CSP), the technique of concentrating sunlight using mirrors to create heat, and then using the heat to raise steam and drive turbines and generators, just like a conventional power station. It is possible to store solar heat in melted salts so that electricity generation may continue through the night or on cloudy days. This technology has been generating electricity successfully in California since 1985 and half a million Californians currently get their electricity from this source. CSP plants are now being planned or built in many parts of the world.

CSP works best in hot deserts and, of course, these are not always nearby! But it is feasible and economic to transmit solar electricity over very long distances using highly-efficient 'HVDC' transmission lines. With transmission losses at about 3% per 1000 km, solar electricity may be transmitted to anywhere in the US. CSP plants in the south western states of the US could easily meet the entire current US demand for electricity.

In the recent 'TRANS-CSP' report commissioned by the German government, it is estimated that CSP electricity, imported from North Africa and the Middle East, could become one of the cheapest sources of electricity in Europe, including the cost of transmission. A large-scale HVDC transmission grid has also been proposed by Airtricity as a means of optimising the use of wind power throughout Europe.

Further information about CSP may be found at www.trec-uk.org.uk and www.trecers.net . Copies of the TRANS-CSP report may be downloaded from www.trec-uk.org.uk/reports.htm . The many problems associated with nuclear power are summarised at www.mng.org.uk/green_house/no_nukes.htm .
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:52 PM
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17. Do you have a financial interest in CSP?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:03 PM
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14. It's about time.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:05 PM
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15. Under the Cheney Bux Nucular plan, taxpayers shell out $12 billion for 6 new nukes
including a taxpayer subsidy of 1.8 cents per kWh ($6 billion).

Even with all that, no new plants have been ordered.

Renaissance my ass...
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:26 PM
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19. And they shell out MORE for ethanol and hydrogen
Why believe Ralph Nader? Check out S.12 (2003) and the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (Pub.L. 109-58). It looks to be more than four times as much, soon to increase, but I don't have a large group of volunteer college students and young lawyers working for me, and it's taking a long time to go through it (The Energy Policy Act of 2005 contains over 1800 sections).

So it looks like a big chunk of Lord Cheney's "bux" goes into the pockets of lawyers repping the anti-nuclear protesters.

And incidentally, the amount of money going into Cheney-approved "green" energy is a lot higher than what goes into nukes.

Ironic? I don't think so. Money-grubbing bastards will take it from anyone who has it. And if they can game the energy system by promoting ideas common to the counterculture, they will.

--p!
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