CNN reporting: Iran may have been behind the "sneak attack" in Karbala

[itsmesgd]

Link courtesy of Junkdrawer


http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/30/tuesday/index.html

in which 5 troops were killed last week. They site the high level of sophistication as a reason that Iran may have been behind the attack

Just as a side note. Would anyone like to wonder why this story has been muddled with vagueness for several days. First the troops were said to have died in the attack, then it came out that they were "executed" from shootings in the head at point blank range. This still does not answer the whole "speak english, carry US weapons, driving GMC Yukons"....

[Greeby]

1. oh boy, here comes that Gulf of Tonkin moment

:scared:

[Little Wing]

2. Iran made me wake up with bed-head this morning

Those CUNNING TERRORISTS!

[kurtyboy]

91. "The soft bigotry of low expectations"

It couldn't have been those dumbass eyerackis--they jes' ain't smart enuff to pull off such fancy book-learney kind of attack.

Yup, musta been those crafty, sneaky, cutthroat Perzhen bastards, fer sure...

[Junkdrawer]

3. Suggested "moderate" punishment: 3 day bombing campaign on nuclear sites...

How Convieeeenient....

[fooj]

4. Shit. We all knew that this was coming...

:scared:

[high density]

5. Bullshit may have been behind CNN's reporting

May?? Please.

[itsmesgd]

7. exactly, plus there's no names on the reports, or even reports that I can find

[robertpaulsen]

6. Remember the Maine!

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[liberalhistorian]

17. Yeah! And also remember the Alamo! And the Lusitania!

Fifty Four Forty or Fight!!!!!!!!! :evilgrin:

[Junkdrawer]

32. From Douglas Adam's "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"...

....The history of warfare is similarly subdivided, although here the phases are Retribution, Anticipation, and Diplomacy. Thus:

Retribution:
I'm going to kill you because you killed my brother.

Anticipation:
I'm going to kill you because I killed your brother.

Diplomacy:
I'm going to kill my brother and then kill you on the
pretext that your brother did it.

[DixieBlue]

81. Rather good at the diplomacy bit,

aren't we?

[Junkdrawer]

82. Doug said that in 1980, probably referring to British colonial history...

Looks to me we're basing our new colonial strategy on the OLD British model.

[happydreams]

37. and the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor!!

[Canuckistanian]

48. Hey, I resent that!

54 40 was.... hey, we won that!

http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/5440orfight.htm

Never mind.

[Morgana LaFey]

51. And don't forget the Gulf of Tonkin Incident

:nuke:

[SpiralHawk]

75. Oh no - You mean the Cubans are behind the Iranians

We know republicon operative Ollie North is also backing the Iranians, since he equipped them with our US Hawk missiles.

This is really getting complex.

Good thing we have brave and wise Commander AWOL & VP Dick 'Five Deferments" Cheney to lead us to Fabulous Oil and Munitions Profits* !!!




* Massive War Profits are the exclusive domain of corrupt republicon cronies, so you proles can just shut up and sit down.

[marmar]

8. Oh boy, the bullshit dam is about to break....

It's like the rerun of a bad movie.

[Jawja]

73. Yes.

Got to get the Libby trial off of the front pages.

[Art_from_Ark]

94. Yeah, a very bad movie

"The Longest Eight Years"

[rodeodance]

9. i heard that. yet it was just an assertion (not to say it is not true)

[scarletwoman]

10. Assertion = propaganda. (nt)

[JanusAscending]

11. I call BULLSHIT !!!

I hate to even think it, but I think this Govt. has sunk to a new LOW!! The first thing that popped into my head was BLACK OPS !!! Remember one of the soldiers killed had just spoken to Sen. Kerry and Sen. Dodd the day before this went down!! I agree that the Iraqi's aren't smart enough, or brave enough to have pulled this off. It was just too slick. I wish someone had survived this murder in cold blood!!! English speaking, American uniforms, American vehicles and they were Irani's ? Come on, WE ARE NOT AS STUPID as they think we are.

[itsmesgd]

12. I second BULLSHIT

[tanyev]

25. And HOGWASH!

Don't forget hogwash.

[rocktivity]

42. I'll see your bullshit

and raise you a "TORO TURD!"

x(
rocknation

[UnyieldingHierophant]

53. Good Lord...yea, the CIA abducted and murdered US soldiers?

conspiracy theories give the conspirators too much credit.

[JanusAscending]

63. Excuse me???

Who are you talking to? Are you sure you have the right web site?

[sofa king]

69. Why the CIA? Why not Halliburton?

It has the signature of a false-flag operation because the victims involved met with potential anti-war politicians, and it also appears to be unique among the various ways people in the region have discovered to kill Americans. The Vice President's company (which is still paying him in absentia) employs large numbers of former special operations troops as mercenaries.

However, it also has the signature of a reprisal operation from Iran, payback for the raiding of an Iranian consulate in Kurdish Iraq and the kidnapping of six Iranian nationals there.

That aspect of the operation does not preclude it as a false-flag operation. If it was a false-flag operation it would be designed to ascribe some sort of motive to the Iranians, and the consular raid is an obvious choice.

(Whether the consular raid was in fact an act of war on the Iranians is still open to interpretation, which might get the Bush Administration off the hook at home, but it's also open to interpretation by the Iranians. It occurs to me that the Iranians might not be averse to the idea of a war with the United States right now, because I think there is an excellent chance that they could kick the living shit out of us and avenge the suffering they feel they've undergone at the hands of Americans since Operation Ajax in the 1950s. If that's the case, don't look to the Iranians to deny things even if it was a false-flag operation.)

[Warren Stupidity]

58. I Call Double Doody Dirty Down Bullshit! nt.

[daleo]

59. I don't know if Iraqis did it or not

But I think they have shown that they are smart enough and brave enough. After all we have seen, it is hardly fair to disparage either their intelligence or courage.

[treestar]

62. Operation Himmler nt

[Zhade]

85. Not that I buy this propaganda, but that's a mighty bigoted view you have of Iraqis.

NT!

[JanusAscending]

92. Please see my post below,

#61. It's not my opinion, just what everyone else is saying! If the Iraqi's are so sharp and ready, why do they still need us? If they can stand up enough to pull off something like this, we should be able to stand down. Plus......what's a worse thing to say about an Iraqi....that he is a shrewd murderer of our boys that were killed, or that he is an inept coward, afraid to fight his own people????? Give me a break !!!

[Maccagirl]

13. They want their live pics of bombs lighting up the night sky

It makes for dramatic teevee (conflict and controversy=ratings) and besides-it looks sooo purdy.

Not only do I predict a bombing campaign against Tehran (still don't believe the generals will allow a ground assault)-I really believe a 9/11 LIHOP will happen before spring and the new Dem majority will be blamed for being "soft" and accused of "emboldening the enemy."

[Junkdrawer]

14. Damn...Bush must be psychic...He sends 2 (or 3) carriers to the Gulf...

and DAMN if they aren't needed as soon as they get there...

Think of the odds...

[BayCityProgressive]

15. Get ready for our 3rd war

in 6 years. It is coming and the DLC dems wont stop it. Anyone who thinks Obama or Hillary, or Kerry ect will stop this is smoking some good stuff! We have some good Dems in office but not nearly enough.We will continue with our wars of imperialism until the corrupt US system is overthrown. Anyone who thinks just electing a Hillry or Dodd will fix our country is dreaming. The entire way our democracy works needs to be revamped. This is so scary.

[ohio2007]

16. No link? board rules require a link

should be moved to another forum

[itsmesgd]

18. CNN has yet to post anything aside from a headline..I'm searching everywhere for the story

[ohio2007]

20. CNN can't verify the source

but they are running it anyway ?

[itsmesgd]

24. Looks like. Wolfie just drops a fear bomb and runs away

[ohio2007]

27. Did he just jump the shark ? LOL nt

[Junkdrawer]

30. See Post #29... n/t

[Megahurtz]

19. There Jr. Goes Making Shit Up Again.

He is most likely behind this.

[roamer65]

21. Iran made me lose my car keys.

It's all Iran's fault. Mahmoud made me do it. Honest.:crazy: :silly:

[Skarbrowe]

22. It was on NBC Nightly News..

Jim (ahummmeessheskli, sorry) said that even though (they) are trying to say this was such a top notch, well executed attack that it had to be done by the Iranians, that our intelligence community is a bit hesitant to jump to any conclusions after the WMD fiasco. So, we can see that Bush is trying very, very hard to have a reason to use those carriers.

[msongs]

23. BREAKING - Dick Cheney may have been behind attack in Karbala too!! nt

[davhill]

26. Evil Iranians attacking the poor Shiite pilgrims

Oh wait!

[WatchWhatISay]

28. Why is CNN all too willing to play along

AGAIN!

[Junkdrawer]

29. LINK

Military investigators looking into possible Iranian links to Karbala attack

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Military investigators are looking into the possibility that the sneak attack on a military compound in Karbala Jan. 20 may have been carried out by Iranians or Iranian-trained operatives, a U.S. official told CNN Tuesday.

An official from another government agency also said that is a leading theory of the investigation into the attack that killed five soldiers.

Both officials stressed that this is a preliminary view, and there is no final conclusion. They agreed this possibility is being looked at because of the sophistication of the attack and the level of coordination.

Another possible indicator, said investigators, is that the attackers spoke English well, which helped them get past several checkpoint areas into the compound. Investigators are particularly looking at how the attackers got U.S.-type military uniforms and SUVs similar to those used by U.S. troops.

The second official said that while there were initial indicators the attack was carried out by members of the Jesh al-Mahdi militias loyal to Muqtada al-Sadr, the attack was more sophisticated than anything carried out by them so far.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/30/tuesday/index.html

[itsmesgd]

31. thank you

[rocktivity]

54. Here are MY "leading theories"

...(T)his is a preliminary view, and there is no final conclusion...

Then you shouldn't be leaking this story AT ALL--unless the mission to generate anti-Iranian sentiment. When those Army PSYOPS interns worked at CNN, are you sure THEY weren't schooling YOU?


...(T)he attackers spoke English well, which helped them get past several checkpoint areas into the compound. Investigators are particularly looking at how the attackers got U.S.-type military uniforms and SUVs similar to those used by U.S. troops.

Then maybe it was one of those special forces black-ops mercenary groups, like those British soldiers who dressed like natives, shot at civilians and policemen, got arrested, and got broken out of jail by their government.


The second official said...the attack was more sophisticated than anything carried out...so far.
Well, that's just plain insulting--especially since we've learned how "unsophisticated" an enemy can be when we didn't win in Viet Nam. Those undersized rice addicts weren't armed with much more than sharpened sticks!


:eyes:
rocknation

[JanusAscending]

61. Isn't this what I said in my post?

So why did everybody jump all over me? I don't wear a tinfoil hat, and make shit up!! I just gave my first reaction to the news, MY OWN FEELINGS. The part about the Iraqi's not being "slick enough" to pull it off was not my statement, but what all the talking heads are saying. If I offended anyone by this I apologize. ( I'm agreeing with you rocknation,I just had to vent!)

[donkeyotay]

84. Those leading theories are why you are my most trusted name in news

and CNN are warmongering liars who should be trusted no further than the preznit. They lied before, and appear to be lying again.

In addition to your perfectly reasonable theories, I noticed a day or two ago that CNN had discovered a new, improved Osama-Zarqari, Afghanistan-Iraq, who just happened to be from....??? Iran! But there must be conflicting memos out because FOX was running with another new, bad guy from Syria, I think

The one thing certain is that this new "Iran did it" theme does deflect blame from bush and the boys who got us into this disaster. It's like an emotional black mail to ignore all of that and insist that we cooperate on the next installment.

[ShortnFiery]

60. No HUMINT sources, only impressions from the investigators?

"Both officials stressed that this is a preliminary view, and there is no final conclusion. They agreed this possibility is being looked at because of the sophistication of the attack and the level of coordination."

Translation: The investigators are talking out of their a** and calling it proof. This is UNSAT. :grr:

[IndianaGreen]

33. This is as credible as the story about the North Vietnamese gun boats attacking

the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin. The real story was that the Maddox was supporting a CIA-planned South Vietnamese incursion into North Vietnam. The non-incident "incident" was used as a pretext for the war in Vietnam.

Nothing the US government says is true!

[leftchick]

40. I can only hope

the reps in congress have a memory and a conscience. :(

[rocktivity]

34. Mods, please lock this thread

This is not Late Breaking News, but a dupe of a story that was posted here in 2002 about Iraq's Saddam Hussein being behind 9/11.

:boring:
rocknation

[Turn CO Blue]

45. snort -

that was some tasty snark.

[aquart]

35. "May have"???

Ah. In other words, don't believe a word of it.

And what a nasty backhanded insult to the Iraqis.

[Straight Shooter]

36. I can hear the pounding of the war drums from thousands of miles away. n/t

[Malikshah]

38. Bulllllllll.....

shit.

eom

[leftchick]

39. is this curveball II?

who in their right mind would believe this? Please not anyone in congress. :(

[peacebird]

41. reported on Scarborough tonight also......

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. What I just sent my senators and congress critters

Well, well the news breaks with baited breath... US Troops killed, ambushed, last week at Karballah by Iranian Agents.

These are the same agents who whore US Uniforms and had US ID cards, and access to security codes.

Only one thing went though my head.... a lone radio station in Poland on September 1st, 1939.

We know that this President WANTS another war, after all the present one is going so swimmingly.

I beseech you, it is time to be all but trusting of this President. I may add, we don't have the troops and I hate to say it, but this President wants to use Nuclear Weapons. The consequences of these actions will be the dawn of WW III, worst case, or best case, the complete and total isolation of the US in the world as a rogue state.

This is what is at stake.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXXXXXX

[Turn CO Blue]

44. They could show me mortar fragments with "Made in Iran"

stickers on them and it wouldn't even raise a reasonable doubt in my mind at this point.

As mentioned above, I call BULLSHIT!

[Theduckno2]

46. Let me get this straight!

We went to war in 2003 believing that Iraq was sophisticated enough to; secretly reconstitute their nuclear program, maintain an illegal cache of WMDs and have the ability to deliver those weapons in 45 minutes.

Now they would have us to believe the Iraqis aren't sophisticated enough to; carry out an attack using stolen uniforms, SUVs, weapons and learning passable English.

I'll repeat the sentiments of many of the above.........I call bullshit!

[Harper_is_Bush]

47. CNN BREAKING:

Iran may be behind shrubs last flat tire whilst he was "mountain biking".

[BluePatriot]

78. LOL (nt)

[goforit]

49. So, Cheney, just blow up the whole world over it!

[antonialee839]

50. CNN a Bushco enabler.

[Faygo Kid]

52. Something like "Polish soldiers" attacking a German radio station in 1939?

Hitler had concentration camp prisoners executed, put them in Polish uniforms and Goebbels told the world that they had attacked a radio station on the German side of the border. And so Germany invaded Poland on Sept. 1, 1939. This is eerily reminiscent. I can see no invasion (even madmen can't produce troops from thin air), but an attack from the carrier fleets sent to the Gulf? Bet the farm on it, by mid-March. I just wonder if Cheney will get his way on use of nukes. Chilling.

[IndianaGreen]

65. In his speech to the Reichstag, Hitler said Germany was responding to Polish aggression

From a moral point of view, there is no difference between the Wehrmacht marching into Poland in 1939, the American Army going into Iraq in 2003, or American bombs being dropped on Iran in 2007.

[sofa king]

71. That was the "Gleiwitz Incident"

Gleiwitz Incident

Other notable false flag operations, executed or planned:

Mukden Incident

Mainila Incident

Operation Northwoods

Operation Washtub

Operation Gladio and the "strategy of tension"

The CIA appears to have an entire paramilitary office devoted to false flag operations and similar covert military operations, the so-called "Blue Badgers" of the Special Activities Division (SAD).

Edit: despite the above, I consider the possibility that the operation was privately backed by a certain Vice President's company to be far more likely, more likely than the CIA, and even more likely than the Iranians.

[Faygo Kid]

87. Thanks, this is very interesting info.

However this one happened (and I think the CIA is least likely of the three, and this so convenient that Cheney could be behind it), I hate to say it, but we are going to attack Iran. And you can then add this incident to your list. Thanks.

[Bonobo]

55. CIA Black Ops are pretty sophisticated too. And they speak English.

[Nictuku]

56. I don't believe it for a second

[Zorra]

57. Negroponte probably had them executed for propaganda purposes.

But of course, John "The Butcher of Honduras" would never do anything like that, would he?
:sarcasm:

[superconnected]

64. This time countries will be fighting back.

So many people are going to die because of Bush, cheney and their corporate den of thieves, even down to the bought owners of fox news.

Look how far the patriots acts went and our civil rights were trampled with iraq. Where do you think they will go with iran? Now we'll be in a real war, a world war.

Bush really is Satan.

I hope everyone here is re-evaluating even their presence on du. I do not believe the Secret services does not already have du's records. They wouldn't skip this place for an alleged anti-war "terrorists group".

Anyway, the peoples deaths that are about to happen is a very big deal, but the freedoms we're about to lose are also a big deal.

This even secures Bush not leaving office.

[Raydawg1234]

66. They have absolutely no evidence, it's all just Speculation! Here's a link:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.main/index.html

[HuffleClaw]

67. suuuuuuuuuure

i see no reason this should be given even a moment of consideration.

[TheWatcher]

68. In Other News, Moon made of Cheese, study finds.

[killbotfactory]

70. And it may have been aliens from the next galaxy, too!

[GeorgeGist]

72. On the other hand...

US may have been behind the "sneak attack" in Karbala.

"...the attackers spoke English well, which helped them get past several checkpoint areas into the compound. Investigators are particularly looking at how the attackers got U.S.-type military uniforms and SUVs similar to those used by U.S. troops."

[LynnTheDem]

74. And once again one word...

bullshit.

Will the Americn sheeple fall for this Iraqesque bullshit yet again?

Probably.

[AllexxisF1]

76. ...

What possible reason could Iran have for infiltrating a U.S. base and killing 5 soldiers?

Good God, how stupid do they think the 70% people are?

This is just madness, we are all sitting here watching this thing go down and no one is stopping him. It's like the same vibe we got during Iraq. That well it's going to happen and there is nothing we can do about it kind of feel.

Good God, we seriously need to start a massive uprising against this monster before he sets the whole world on fire.

[BluePatriot]

77. BS or not,

the bad thing is that we can't believe our admin anyway, even if this is true, because practically every word out of their mouth is a lie. And if this is true, Iran knows they can take full advantage and get away with it b/c of our admin's blundering. Sigh. We are so screwed.

[w8liftinglady]

79. CNN keeps saying "An official at a government agency"...

their sources are extremely vague and hypothetical...but the white house plan for retaliation is extremely specific...just saw on cnn

[katty]

88. CNN-the most corrupted name in news

[tabasco]

80. The "Iran did it" propaganda campaign is becoming laughable.

There are traitors who want the US to get into another war and are lying to make it happen. These people should be subject to all penalties for treason. Bush has appointed mafia thugs at all levels of the federal government who will do whatever the neocons tell them. They are traitors. Just like the people who told us Saddam was attempting to get uranium from Niger. All corporate warmongering traitors and they should all be HUNG!

[genieroze]

83. Like we couldn't see this coming.

[tom_paine]

86. It really looks as if Little Boots is going to attack Iran

Not that a corrupt murderer and his cabal would pull the exact same lying bullshit they pulled 4 years ago about Iraq, it's that somehow it is going to happen EVEN THOUGH CLOSE TO EVERYONE KNOWS ITS A LIE!

That isn't the United States of America. THAT is the Soviet Union.

[coalition_unwilling]

89. INS (Iranian News Service) reporting: US CIA may have been

behind "sneak attack" in Karbala, so that it could be blamed on Iran.

Attackers wore U.S. military uniformas, spoke English fluently and drove black SUVs, characteristic of some U.S. military and paramilitary forces in Iraq.

It's Vietnam on crack, I tell you!

[JanusAscending]

93. OOPS !! There it is!!

n/t

[AngryOldDem]

90. I call bullshit

And Bushco needs to work a little bit more on timing. Things should not look so coincidental. People will begin to put 2 and 2 together. But then again, maybe not.