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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 01:35 AM
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WP: A Tug of War On Presidential Papers' Release: House bill would overturn Bush executive order
A Tug of War On Presidential Papers' Release
By Elizabeth Williamson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 2, 2007; Page A11

A bipartisan proposal targeting White House rules on the release of presidential papers would claw back power over public records from the executive branch, advocates of the bill say.

The House measure, introduced yesterday, would overturn President Bush's 2001 executive order adding layers of review before presidential papers are made public. Historians and archivists say the order has kept thousands of documents from public view.

Bush's order "gave current and former presidents and vice presidents broad authority to withhold presidential records or delay their release indefinitely," Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee and a bill sponsor, said in a statement yesterday. Waxman's co-sponsors include Reps. Todd R. Platts (R-Pa.), William Lacy Clay (D-Mo.) and Dan Burton (R-Ind.).

Bush issued the order after the White House held up the release of 68,000 pages of Ronald Reagan Presidential Library documents in 2001. Under the previous system, the president, former presidents or designees had 30 days to review documents and lodge objections. Bush added reviews by the families of former presidents to the process, and removed the 30-day deadline. He also broadened the rules to encompass vice presidential papers.

Thomas S. Blanton, chief of the National Security Archive at George Washington University, said that waiting time for documents from the Reagan Library has soared from 18 months to more than six years since the Bush order, because of the review process and factors such as understaffing at the National Archives....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/01/AR2007030101555.html
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 01:38 AM
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1. And they'll attach it to something the prez has to sign, but he'll issue a signing statement and
everything will be the same as it was yesterday.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:11 AM
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4. BINGO!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 01:57 AM
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2. Very very good. (nt)
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:09 AM
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3. The NARA is making sure people don't get papers
They have raised the price of copies of material 338%...I didn't make a mistake typing it. You used to be able to get a pension packet of an ancestor for 37 dollars. Now it cost 125 dollars.

I wonder why they raised the price. A lot of people could probably afford 37 dollars and ordered the packets. Now at 125 dollars that will stop and they won't make a cent. It is stupid.
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Parisle Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:16 AM
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5. Come on, people. Bush didn't do this.
--- For one thing, he didn't read 68,000 pages of Reagan documents, eh? Everything Junior has done has been dictated to him by someone else. The "someone else" is the party with whom we have our major conflict,...
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:31 AM
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6. He's basically covering up for the old man
12 years of Reagan/Bush filth, there's gotta be something incriminating that escaped Ollie North's shredder parties
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:22 AM
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8. here's the background information - to clarify your knowledge of this matter
White House Delays Release of Advice to Reagan

June 9, 2001

WASHINGTON, June 8 — The White House is delaying the release of thousands of pages of old presidential records that detail the confidential advice given Ronald Reagan by his aides, some of whom are now prominent officials in the Bush administration.

The records were to be disclosed on Jan. 21 under the Presidential Records Act, adopted after Watergate to deal with issues created by President Richard M. Nixon's assertion that he owned his administration's papers.

But after President Bush took office, the White House counsel, Alberto R. Gonzales, delayed the documents' release until June 21 so that they could be reviewed. And a White House spokeswoman, Anne Womack, said today that the administration had recently arranged for another extension, until Aug. 31 at the earliest.

The Presidential Records Act, made law in 1978, provided that documents dealing with White House aides' advice to a president were to be released 12 years after the end of his administration. The Reagan administration is the first to which the law applies.

But under an executive order signed in the closing days of Mr. Reagan's presidency, the incumbent administration at the time of the scheduled release may delay it in order to review the documents and so determine whether to invoke executive privilege to prevent their disclosure outright.

Ms. Womack, the Bush spokeswoman, said today that "the reason for the extension is to conduct a legal review of the documents at the Justice Department."

...more...

A challence to the Presidential Records Act? - News & Events

On November 1, 2001, President George W. Bush signed a new Executive Order (EO) which "amends" the Presidential Records Act (PRA). The EO places in jeopardy the viability of the PRA, which governs the management of and public access to presidential records. By limiting accessibility of presidential papers and documents, which is what the EO appears to be designed to do, scholars might find it difficult or impossible to obtain important presidential records essential for doing scholarly research. Relatedly, and perhaps even more importantly, the public might find part of their access to open government cut off. At the time of this writing it is still too early to tell -- it remains to be seen how President Bush will implement the EO -- if the measure is indeed warranted or if it erodes a vital component of the principle and practice of open government.

E.O. 13233, known ambiguously as the "Further Implementation of the Presidential Records Act" permits the sitting president to deny the release of papers of a former president, even if that previous president authorizes the release of his papers. This overturns the previous standard, which permits only the former president in question to weigh in on the accessibility of his presidential materials. The new EO allows for the release of certain types of presidential papers and documents only if both the former and sitting presidents approve their release. As such, it makes it difficult for the public or scholars to obtain materials and locks away from public introspection potentially important documents, deemed sensitive by the incumbent president.

Critical Reaction to the EO

Not surprisingly, Bush's actions drew fire from historians and presidential scholars, who noted that sensitive national security documents are already protected and their untimely release is precluded by current protocol. Even Bruce Lindsey, former White House Counsel for President Bill Clinton, spoke out against the move and wrote the Bush administration questioning the wisdom of the EO. News of the EO sparked controversy on the Hill, where a subcommittee of the House Committee on Government Reform immediately announced that they would be holding hearings on the action. Likewise, a joint statement authored by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and Janice Schakowsky (D-IL) called on President Bush to rescind the EO.

Without a thorough response from the President or his administration, Bush's actions appear to go against the very doctrine of government openness. The new EO also violates the faith of the PRA, which assures public access and mandates the systematic release of presidential records after 12 years or through the use of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, an important "sunshine" reform and cornerstone of government openness. For instance, the new EO also narrows the grounds under which presidential materials can be released through the FOIA. Now, FOIA requests must be proven to satisfy a "demonstrable, specific need" (however that may be defined) in order to be granted. At the same time, Bush's decision expands the original PRA's ability to restrict documents and the range of items eligible for restriction. E.O. 13233 achieves this by establishing two new categories of documents that can be withheld: (1) any communications between the president and presidential aides/advisors; and (2) materials pertain ing to advice and legal assistance the president receives. It also eliminates the wording "confidential" from the criterion which the original PRA established in order to limit access. Where confidential communications were eligible for restriction, communications are now eligible for restriction.

...more...

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 10:16 AM
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15. thanks for the linkie
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:27 AM
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9. here's more: Order Lets Sitting or Former President Block Release
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A27293-2001Nov1?language=printer

Friday, November 2, 2001; Page A01



President Bush signed an executive order last night allowing either the White House or former presidents to veto the release of their presidential papers, drawing criticism from former president Bill Clinton and several historians.

The order reinterprets the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which put the papers of future presidents in the public domain after a court fight over Richard M. Nixon's papers. The act envisioned the release of most sensitive records 12 years after a president had left office.

Administration officials said Bush's order was prompted in part by a request for 68,000 pages of records of Ronald Reagan, the first former president whose records are subject to the act.

Under the order, either the incumbent president or the former president -- and, in some cases, the family of a deceased president -- could withhold documents requested by scholars, journalists or others. It also provides that if a former president says the records are privileged, they will remain secret even if the sitting president disagrees. If the sitting president says they are privileged, they will remain secret even if the former president disagrees.

White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales said any decision to withhold documents could be challenged in court, adding that the administration would lose if a decision did not have solid constitutional grounding. He acknowledged that the process could take years.

The order also covers the records of former vice presidents. Gonzales said the White House did not create any new privileges or obstacles but "simply implemented an orderly process to deal with this information."

...more...
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:51 AM
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12. Thanks for adding this background info, UpinArms! nt
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:58 AM
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13. you're welcome, DeepModem Mom
it is so very important that people understand the breadth and scope of the nature of the destruction of this mal-administration.

A very good resource (although it is no longer updated) for background is
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:32 AM
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11. much of Bush's staff served under Reagan
including Cheney and Rumsfeld. And don't forget, there could be stuff about Iran/Contra in those papers.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:12 PM
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18. yeah, he's completely innocent...
:eyes:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:21 PM
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19. Bush did this as governor of Texas, as well
Read Worse than Watergate, by John Dean. George W. Bush shrinkwrapped thousands of documents from his two gubernatorial terms and stored them in his father's presidential library, where nobody has access to them!
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:10 AM
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7. "He also broadened the rules to encompass vice presidential papers."
You bet he did. Gotta keep Daddy's Iran-Contra ass covered.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:29 AM
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10. If the bill passes and Bush signs it, perhaps the papers will disappear
Or will be released with huge sections deleted.

Which would be grounds for vigorous action by Congress, up to and including impeachment and removal, but Congress would instead back down, grumbling.
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 10:09 AM
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14. They will disappear ...
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 10:11 AM by CRH
and be placed next to Kennedy's brain, in the national archives; that conveniently disappeared also. Corruption and government secrecy dates back a ways, like forever. But, get over it, move along, the pesky citizens really do not have the need to know the skulduggery done in their name, to preserve and defend this great nation.

:sarcasm:

edit: for grammar
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 12:10 PM
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16. and the families? I can just imagine telling my boss to wait and se if it's ok with
my mother before I hand over my paperwork....
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Springster Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 12:35 PM
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17. Interesting side story - how Wellesley allows access to every
senior Thesis, "except for those written by either a president or first lady of the United States."
How many does that apply to? Hmmm, exactly one according to MSNBC. The full atricle is at URL http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

MSNBC: "...it was the Clintons who asked Wellesley in 1993 to hide Hillary Rodham's senior thesis...." Really, I'm shocked! (but not surprised - OK, I'm not really socked either. But I was surprised that the College actually locked it up for the duration of Bill's two terms.

It became available again when he left office in Jan 2001.

Back to Hillary, MSNBC reports also that "...she was elected president of the College Republicans...." but that by senior year, "she was campaigning for the anti-war Democrat Eugene McCarthy."

Why bring it up? To explore whether this the indication of how SHE would govern - it's worth considering & discussing. To disclose bias up front, I'm more for Obama than for her but haven't committed.


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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:22 PM
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20. Hillary Clinton's senior thesis is not exactly the same as presidential papers
For crying out loud.
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