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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:50 PM
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Bush, Chavez on dueling tours of Latin America


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/pl_nm/bush_latinamerica_dc;_ylt=AvY_ystsXczx_PHNrsfLhIes0NUE

Bush, Chavez on dueling tours of Latin America

By Matt Spetalnick 2 hours, 17 minutes ago

SAO PAULO (Reuters) -President Bush and his left-wing nemesis Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez embarked on dueling tours of Latin America on Friday as they stepped up competition for the region's hearts and minds.


Their ideological rivalry heated up as Bush visited Brazil to reach out to Latin America's moderate left and Chavez responded with a trip to Argentina where he said the U.S. leader deserved the "gold medal for hypocrisy."

Bush is seeking to overcome a sense of U.S. neglect in Latin America where opposition to the
Iraq war has also damaged his administration's standing and given Chavez a chance to rail against what he calls American "imperialism."

About 200 Brazilian demonstrators, mostly students, burned an effigy of Bush and chanted "Bush, chief of terrorism, we don't want you in Latin America" near the hotel where he was staying. Troops and police stopped them from getting closer.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:28 PM
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1. He doesn't have the intelligence needed to be embarrassed, obviously! From the article:
Trying to turn back Chavez's challenge, Bush seems to have taken a page from his regional nemesis, seeking to remake himself as a social reformer committed to alleviating poverty.

While avoiding any mention of Chavez's name, Bush spoke of the need not only for economic growth but "distribution of wealth," especially for the region's small farmers.

Amid increasingly entrenched anti-U.S. sentiment, few Latin Americans are likely to buy it. Until Bush, who last made such an extensive tour of the region in 2005, now has mostly stressed trade, drug enforcement and immigration controls.
(snip)
Un-bygod-believable. Bush, the friend of the not well connected. Uh, HUH.

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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:58 PM
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2. Whats this "distribution of wealth," the chimp talks about ,where is it?
Doesn't he mean "Tax Cuts for the Wealthy"
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:07 PM
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3. He'll say ANYTHING he thinks people will buy,but he means "Tax Cuts for the Wealthy," doesn't he?
Truly embarrassing at the deepest level to have such a dishonest pResident.



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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:22 PM
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4. AP: Bush Denies U.S. Neglects Neighbors
Bush Denies U.S. Neglects Neighbors


Friday March 9, 2007 8:01 PM

AP Photo BSB109

By DEB RIECHMANN

Associated Press Writer

SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) - President Bush on Friday denied charges that the United States
under his leadership has ignored Latin America's poverty and problems.

“That may be what people say but it's certainly not what the facts bear out,” Bush said.
“We care about our neighborhood a lot.”

Bush's eighth trip to the region was widely viewed locally as a counter to efforts by the
president's nemesis, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, to use his vast oil wealth to
court allies. After Brazil, Bush goes to Uruguay, Colombia, Guatemala and Mexico.

But, asked about this, Bush refused to even use Chavez' name.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6469612,00.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:35 PM
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5. According to your article, he wasn't bothered by having to see the protesters!
But demonstrators upset with Bush's visit here worry that the presidents really have visions of an OPEC-like cartel on ethanol. Protesters carrying stalks of sugar cane warned that increased ethanol production could lead to social unrest because most operations are run by wealthy families or corporations that reap the profits, while the poor are left to cut the cane with machetes.

``Bush and his pals are trying to control the production of ethanol in Brazil, and that has to be stopped,'' said Suzanne Pereira dos Santos of Brazil's Landless Workers Movement.

The president did not see any of the protesters that have marred his visit during his hourlong motorcade to the depot. But about a half mile from where he spoke, a large white balloon hung in the sky emblazoned with blue letters that said ``Bush Out'' in both English and Portuguese. The ``s'' in Bush was replaced by a swastika.

Anti-American sentiment runs high in Brazil, especially over the war in Iraq.
(snip)
Too bad he didn't have to travel through the streets like Nixon did, in Venezuela, when they kicked his car.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:54 PM
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6. They didn't just kick his car--they threw stones at it
I recall my parents being shocked by the news reports.

Back in those days (1950s), Americans almost universally believed that they were beloved throughout the world.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:29 PM
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8. Here's some pix...

A mob attacked the Nixon caravan in Caracas.

Link to more pix...

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/nixon.htm
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:08 PM
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13. I never heard if he repeated that trip, did you?
Well, they wouldn't have been so angry at him if they had realized he loved to bowl, and could also play the piano.





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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:26 PM
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7. Hey, George, send Bill down. The world loves Bill as much as they
hate you. I am sure it is okay with Georgie Porgie if the Latin countries give money to the poor as long as he doesn't have to do the same in the US.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:39 PM
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9. 200 Brazilian protestors?? LOL the MSM sure does know how to LIE. Pix tell a different story...

Demonstrators protest against the upcoming visit of US President George W. Bush in Sao Paulo, Thursday, March 8, 2007. President Bush will visit Brazil March 8-9. (AP Photo/Andre Penner)

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:20 AM
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10. They left a couple of zeros off that figure
It must have been a misprint. :eyes:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:50 PM
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12. Thanks for the photo! I try not to play the numbers game, cuz I think one protester with
one sign objecting to injustice is a sacred event that sends positive vibes throughout the world. It could be one, it could be ten, it could be ten thousand. Doesn't matter. Only the war profiteering corporate news monopolies get obsessed with numbers, and of course lie through their teeth about them. They see people as digits in investment portfolios. (And don't think they don't notice the real numbers. They do. And they tailor their propaganda accordingly.)

People are not digits. People are souls with vast networks of connection to other souls. And when they stand up against injustice--perhaps especially when they stand alone--it buzzes the network, and magnifies their personal network many-fold. It is like no other act. It resonates throughout history and throughout the world, and into the future. It is what being a human being is all about.

So anyway, of course I love it when 500,000 or a million get together to witness and protest. The numbers tell you something of how far the idea has already gotten. But I love it no less when there is only one or two.

This Brazilian protest looks to be quite massive, and it stretches to infinity out of the picture. If one letter to a Congress critter represents 100 other people who feel as strongly but didn't write, then one protester--so much more highly motivated than a letter writer--represents 1,000 others, I would say. This photo is impressive as a statement of the Brazilian people against our Asterisk. And it means more in a democratic country like Brazil (unlike our own) as to what politicians are compelled to pay attention to. Lulu was defying one hell of a lot of people by hosting Bush on his democracy-wrecking mission to South America.

It occurs to me that Lulu might be vulnerable to Bush Junta blackmail, of the venal kind. There has been some corruption in his administration. And if they're spying on all of us, and are blackmailing some of our public officials (of which I have no doubt), why wouldn't they be doing the same in Brazil? That may be the simple explanation for why Lulu would subject himself to such degradation as "honoring" the mass murderer of one hundred thousand innocent Iraqis, the torturer of thousands, and the lawless thief and renegade of the world, with such sentiment against it in democratic Brazil.

The more complicated explanation has to do with this dicey business of South American self-determination, Mercosur (the S/A trade group), and discussions of a South American "Common Market," such that US-based global corporate predators would have to compete on fair terms. US-based global corporate predators prefer to murder and torture their way to profits. They hate democracy, and, above all, fair competition, and any requirements to operate in the public interest. But, for all the success of democracy in South America, of late, these malefactors still have their fangs in many South American economies, so that politicians like Lulu, and Vasquez in Uruguay, apparently feel they have to kowtow. They are like city councilfolk who think Wal-Mart will bring jobs to a poor community. The hidden costs--for instance, attracting workers to an area for low-wage jobs that provide no health benefits, with health care costs for all these poor workers then falling on local government--are not disclosed, and the even bigger loss--the loss of local sovereignty--is not considered. What do you do to your community when local small businesses are driven out? It is devastating.

This is the huge mistake made by the Clinton/Corporate Democrats--and it has become such a plain and obvious mistake--that the Corporate Rulers kill communities, and kill truly free trade, and kill democracy wherever it rears its blessed head--that deep corruption is the only reasonable explanation. For Lulu and Vasquez to invite US-based global corporate predator murder of their economies points to similar corruption. I have called these leftist (majorityist) governments (Brazil, Uruguay). I'm not sure any more--particularly with regard to Vasquez. Lulu has some pretty fine creds. He is a former steelworker, with obvious personal identification with the poor. And Brazil led the 20-country third world revolt at the WTO meeting in Cancun a few years ago. Also, Lulu went out of his way to endorse Hugo Chavez with a state visit, just prior to the last Venezuelan election, and just after Chavez's remark at the UN that Bush is "the devil." Why would Lulu want to in any way participate in Bush's bloody plans for other South American democracies, or in global corporate predator exploitation and domination of his own country? He may be giving himself Tony Blair "talking points," when he looks into the bathroom mirror in the morning--that, by hosting Bush, and saying in his welcoming speech that Bush must respect the sovereignty of South American countries (read = Venezuela; also Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina), he can influence Bush for the good, as Tony Blair blathered about to Parliament. (What a crock.) I don't think Lulu is as bad as Blair. But he may have similar delusions.

On the other hand, the South Americans have played it pretty smart, so far. Democracy is, in truth, succeeding there on a grand scale. And the people, with their own networks of communication, are far better informed about these matters (global corporate predation) than we north Americans tend to be. They are demanding social justice and fairness, and rejection of South America's past as the brutalized, exploitable, slave labor ghetto to the North American empire. And the fascist junta here, with its heinous wars and filthy greed--tragedy though it is for us north Americans--makes it very clear to the people of South America that they must forge their own independent path. The Bush Junta will do to them what it has done to Iraq, and what its Reaganite holdovers did to Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, Argentina and other countries, in the '80s. It is no accident that Bush appointed John "death squad" Negroponte as Undersecretary for Latin America. Lulu may think he is preventing a bloodbath. We'll see if accommodating Bushites has that effect.

One other factor in this situation is that Bush is a desperate man. He must produce something for his corporate masters, or he may well find himself abandoned by them and impeached. The plundering of the Middle East isn't going so well. He has to at least open some doors to the plundering of South America, or appear that he is doing so. Lulu and Vasquez have the advantage. I hope they use it well, for the benefit of their people and the region.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:14 PM
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14. My God! 200 protestors, eh? There's some kind of proof-reading disease going around,
which has newspapers and electronic media claiming wildly deflated numbers for demonstrations by leftists! It's consistant, too, and global.

Now HERE'S what you'd call a really respectable, HUGE turnout!

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 05:04 PM
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17. huh!. . how many is "a Brazillian", anyways?
That would account for the discrepancy, wouldn't it?
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 11:13 PM
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19. I notice the updated AP article in the OP has changed '200' to 'dozens'.
Dozens of masked protesters, many wielding sticks and hurling rocks, shattered the windows of two McDonald's stores.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:40 AM
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11. You know it is sad. Very sad that
bushit has taken this country down this wrong long road and hopefully these next twenty two months will pass fast and our national disgrace well be over. Remember at this point in the clinton presidency clinton had a favorable polling of 65%. (job approval)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:17 PM
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15. Look how the first six years have seemed to fly past!
It seems only 20 years ago or more that Bill Clinton was our President, as if we were but children then.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 03:51 PM
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16. Dueling........
banjo tour?

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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 05:06 PM
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18. That was totally my first thought when I saw the thread title.... eom
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 11:27 PM
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20. I wish Chavez and Bush did really face each other off in a duel
but Bush is such a coward that he would turn around and shoot Chavez in the back as Hugo was taking his 10-steps.
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Hunky Dunky Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 07:47 AM
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21. Dueling Morans! LOL! n/t
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