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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:15 AM
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Bush to Push U.S. Compassion in Guatemala---Frame-by-frame,


Bush to Push U.S. Compassion in Guatemala
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Mar 12, 6:42 AM (ET)

By DEB RIECHMANN

GUATEMALA CITY, Guatemala (AP) - Frame-by-frame, the images of President Bush in Guatemala on Monday will depict sharp contrasts.

The leader of the richest nation reaching out to the impoverished. A smiling vegetable farmer benefiting from a free trade deal that Bush had trouble selling to Congress. Bush touring Mayan ruins and speaking out against social injustice suffered by Guatemala's indigenous citizens of Mayan ancestry, who have protested his visit.

Undeterred by protests that have dogged Bush at every stop on his five-nation Latin American trip, Bush, who arrived here Sunday night, will work to convince Guatemalans that the United States is a compassionate nation. It's the same message he delivered earlier at stops in Brazil, Uruguay and Colombia.

"It's very important for the people of South America and Central America to know that the United States cares deeply about the human condition, and that much of our aid is aimed at helping people realize their God-given potential," Bush said Sunday in Bogota, Colombia.
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Using his own Marine One helicopter, Bush will fly around this mountainous country, about the size of Tennessee, for a series of events meant to show that strong democratic reforms can improve the lives of Guatemalans.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:18 AM
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1. good luck with this one
I suppose they have all forgotten about the mass murders committed by American funded right wing death squads.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:18 AM
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2. This makes my head hurt. nt
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:19 AM
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3. Sure...abundant evidence of W's "compassion" lie all around us,
in the US and abroad.

Who really believes this wannabe-cowboy anymore?

:mad:
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:39 AM
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4. When Shrub gets compassionate....
people better :hide: .
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:41 AM
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5. Yeah! and all South America has to do is to look at New Orleans to see a shining
example of bush's "compassion"!!!!!
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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:54 AM
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6. how much do we spend on the war per day ? and this comes out of his mouth??
"It's very important for the people of South America and Central America to know that the United States cares deeply about the human condition, and that much of our aid is aimed at helping people realize their God-given potential"

I wonder who wrote that for him

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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:53 PM
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11. I know, right?
What a load of rubbish. :puke:

Welcome to DU, by the way! :hi:
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:56 AM
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7. what a bunch of crap!
it is truly embarrassing that he thinks people don't see through him. he makes a fool of himself every time he opens his mouth.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 12:13 PM
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8. Bush reaching out to the impoverished? Unimaginable.
Who does he think he is, Hugo Chávez?
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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:40 PM
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9. Check him out!!!!


he just looks sooo insincere
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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:55 PM
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12. repost: check him out!!
even when trying he looks mad insincere


http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070312/ids_photos_wl/r3575175617.jpg
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ends_dont_justify Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:45 PM
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10. If...
"It's very important for the people of South America and Central America to know that the United States cares deeply about the human condition", I wonder how much more important it would be for the american people to see that? :shrug:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 03:10 PM
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13. AFP: Bush in Guatemala as protests dog Latin America tour
Bush in Guatemala as protests dog Latin America tour

by Laurent Lozano 47 minutes ago

GUATEMALA CITY (AFP) - US
President George W. Bush Monday visited Guatemala for talks on immigration and a visit to a sacred Mayan site as violent protests continued to dog his goodwill tour of Latin America.


As Bush toured US-backed projects, about 2,000 people, some armed with machetes, demonstrated in Guatemala City. Some of the protesters hurled flaming sticks and bottles at police.

The daylong visit was the fourth stop on Bush's trip aimed at demonstrating US support for Latin America and battling the influence Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has gained in the region, where several leftist leaders opposed to US policies have been elected in recent years.

Chavez took his rival Latin American tour to nearby Nicaragua before flying on to Haiti, but Bush pointedly ignored the taunts by his Venezuelan arch-foe.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070312/pl_afp/uslatambush_070312192022;_ylt=AmqHC1N.1ltA8PLQLhiEGnPMWM0F
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 03:14 PM
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14. He knows the people of Guatemala don't believe what he's saying. He's saying this for his American
Edited on Mon Mar-12-07 03:28 PM by Judi Lynn
idiot right-wing public, knowing a lot of them have absolutely no idea what the U.S. has done to Guatemala.

It only takes ANYONE a few minutes looking for information to run into the ugly, ugly truth:
Reagan & Guatemala's Death Files
by Robert Parry
iF magazine, May/June 1999


Ronald Reagan's election in November 1980 set off celebrations in the well-to-do communities of Central America.

After four years of Jimmy Carter's human rights nagging, the region's anticommunist hard-liners were thrilled that they had someone in the White House who understood their problems.

The oligarchs and the generals had good reason for the optimism. For years, Reagan had been a staunch defender of right-wing regimes that engaged in bloody counterinsurgency campaigns against leftist enemies.
In the late 1970s, when Carter's human rights coordinator, Pat Derian, criticized the Argentine military for its "dirty war" -- tens of thousands of "disappearances," tortures and murders -then-political commentator Reagan joshed that she should "walk a mile in the moccasins" of the Argentine generals before criticizing them.

Despite his aw shucks style, Reagan found virtually every anticommunist action justified, no matter how brutal. From his eight years in the White House, there is no historical indication that he was troubled by the bloodbath and even genocide that occurred in Central America during his presidency, while he was shipping hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to the implicated forces.

The death toll was staggering -- an estimated 70,000 or more political killings in El Salvador, possibly 20,000 slain from the contra war in Nicaragua, about 200 political "disappearances" in Honduras and some 100,000 people eliminated during a resurgence of political violence in Guatemala.
(snip/...)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Reagan_Guatemala.html

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FLASHBACK: C.I.A. DEATH SQUADS
Allan Nairn


April 1995

The U.S. government has systematic links to Guatemalan Army death squad operations that go far beyond the disclosures that have recently shaken official Washington. The news that the C.I.A. employed a Guatemalan colonel who reportedly ordered two murders has been greeted with professions of shock and outrage. But in fact the story goes much deeper, as U.S. officials well know.

North American C.l.A. operatives work inside a Guatemalan Army unit that maintains a network of torture centers and has killed thousands of Guatemalan civilians. The G-2, headquartered on the fourth floor of the Guatemalan National Palace, has, since at least the 1960s, been advised, trained, armed and equipped by U.S. undercover agents. Working out of the U.S. Embassy and living in safehouses and hotels, these agents work through an elite group of Guatemalan officers who are secretly paid by the C.I.A. and who have been implicated personally in numerous political crimes and assassinations.

This secret G-2 / C.I.A. collaboration has been described by Guatemalan and U.S. operatives and confirmed, in various aspects, by three former Guatemalan heads of state. These accounts also mesh with that given in a March 28 interview by Col. Julio Roberto Alpirez, the C.I.A.- paid Guatemalan G-2 officer who has been implicated in the murders of Guatemalan guerrilla leader Efrain Bamaca Velasquez and a U.S. citizen, Michael DeVine.
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Other officials, though, say that at least during the mid 1980s G-2 officers were paid by Jack McCavitt, then C.I.A. station chief, and that the "technical assistance" includes communications gear, computers and special firearms, as well as collaborative use of C.I.A.-owned helicopters that are flown out of the Piper hangar at the La Aurora civilian air port and from a separate U.S. air facility. Through what Amnesty International has called "a government program of political murder." the Guatemalan Army has, since 1978, killed more than 110,000 civilians. The G-2 and a smaller, affiliated unit called the Archivo have long been openly known in Guatemala as the brain of the terror state. With a contingent of more than 2,000 agents and with sub-units in the local army bases. the G-2-under orders of the army high command-coordinates the torture. assassination and disappearance of dissidents.

"If the G-2 wants to kill you, they kill you," former army Chief of staff Gen. Benedicto Lucas Garcia once said. "They send one of their trucks with a hit squad and that's it." Current and former G-2 agents describe a program of surveillance backed by a web of torture centers and clandestine body dumps. In 1986, then-army Chief of Staff Gen. Hector Gramajo Morales, a U.S. protege, said that the G-2 maintains files on and watches "anyone who is an opponent of the Guatemalan state in any realm." A former G-2 agent says that the base he worked at in Huehuetenango maintained its own crematorium and "processed" abductees by chopping off limbs, singeing flesh and administering electric shocks.

At least three of the recent G-2 chiefs have been paid by the C.I.A., according to U.S. and Guatemalan intelligence sources. One of them, Gen. Edgar Godoy Gaitan, a former army Chief of Staff, has been accused in court by the victim's family of being one of the prime "intellectual authors" of the 1990 murder of the noted Guatemalan anthropologist Myrna Mack Chang. Another, Col. Otto Perez Molina, who now runs the Presidential General Staff and oversees the Archivo, was in charge in 1994, when, according to the Archbishop's human rights office, there was evidence of General Staff involvement in the assassination of Judge Edgar Ramiro Elias Ogaldez. The third, Gen. Francisco Ortega Menaldo, who now works in Washington as general staff director at the Pentagon-backed Inter-American Defense Board, was G-2 chief in the late 1980s during a series of assassinations of students, peasants and human rights activists. Reached at his home in Florida, Jack McCavitt said he does not talk to journalists. When asked whether Ortega Menaldo was on the C.I.A. payroll, he shouted "Enough!" and slammed down the phone.
(snip/...)
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21732



Reburial of massacre victems, Alta Verapaz, Guatemala
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Tuesday, June 8th, 2004
"Reagan Was the Butcher of My People:" Fr. Miguel D'Escoto Speaks From Nicaragua

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We go to Managua, Nicaragua to speak with Fr. Miguel D'Escoto, a Catholic priest who was Nicaragua's Foreign Minister under the Sandinista government in the 1980s.
The 8 years Reagan was in office represented one of the most bloody eras in the history of the Western hemisphere, as Washington funneled money, weapons and other supplies to right wing death squads. And the death toll was staggering - more than 70,000 political killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, 30,000 killed in the contra war in Nicaragua. In Washington, the forces carrying out the violence were called "freedom fighters." This is how Ronald Reagan described the Contras in Nicaragua: "They are our brothers, these freedom fighters and we owe them our help. They are the moral equal of our founding fathers."
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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/08/1453219

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Ronald Reagan's Bloody "Apocalypto"
By Robert Parry
Consortium News

Sunday 17 December 2006

Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto," a violent capture-and-escape movie set 500 years ago in a brutal Mayan society, ends ironically when European explorers arrive and interrupt the final bloody chase.

The surprise appearance of the Europeans was good news for Gibson's hero - distracting his last pursuers - but, as history tells us, the arrival of the Europeans actually escalated the New World's violence, bringing a more mechanized form of slaughter that devastated the Mayas and other native populations.

An even greater irony, however, may be that the U.S. media has done a better job separating fact from fiction about Gibson's movie than in explaining to Americans how some of their most admired modern politicians, including Ronald Reagan, were implicated in a more recent genocide against Mayan tribes in Central America.

America's hand in the later-day slaughter of these Mayas traces back to Dwight Eisenhower's presidency in 1954 when a CIA-engineered coup overthrew the reform-minded Guatemalan government of Jacobo Arbenz.
(snip/...)
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/67/24543

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Guatemalan Massacres, Death Squads, Torture and Republican Hypocrisy on Iraq

~snip~
The election of Reagan and the unleashing of the Holocaust

In 1980, many wanted Ronald Reagan elected to get tough on communism. The effect on Guatemala would be devastating. Before the U.S. election in 1980, wealthy Guatemalan businessmen were hoping for a Reagan victory. Here are some excerpts from an August 24, 1980 article in the New York Times Magazine, Guatemala: State of Siege by Alan Hilding:


Some wealthy Guatemalan businessmen are know to be financing the E.S.A. and in private, they argue that the hit squad is, in the words of one cotton planter, a "distasteful necessity." P. 7.
They are therefore lobbying conservative United States Congressman and gambling that a Reagan victory in November will revitalize Washington's traditional policy of "anti-Communism" in Central America.

Some conservative Guatemalans, who boast close contacts with the Reagan campaign have even called for a rupture of diplomatic relations with the United States while Carter is in the White House. P. 8.

And here are some additional comments prior to Reagan's election:


Fred Sherwood, a U.S. resident of Guatemala for over 40 years, owns the Prokesa coffee-bag factory in Guatemala. In 1954, he aided CIA forces in carrying out the coup; since then, he has openly espoused his support for government death squads--and offered his definition of Guatemalans as "dumb savages." In September 1980, Sherwood said; They're bumping off the commies, our enemies....Hell, I'd give them some cartridges if I could and everyone else would, too....why should we criticize them?...why the hell should we criticize the death squad or whatever you want to call it? Christ, I'm all for it." Jean-Marie Simon, Guatemala: Eternal Spring, Eternal Tyranny (Norton 1987) p. 103.
Could there have been any doubt what a Reagan administration would mean for Guatemala?

The Guatemaln Holocaust is documented

In 1996, the parties signed the Peace Accords ending the bloody civil war. The Catholic Church then commenced a detailed investigation into the numerous atrocities, acts of barbarity and murders of civilians that had occurred, and released its findings in a report published by the Archdiocese of Guatemala entitled Guatemala: Never Again! On April 24, 1998, Archbishop Juan Gerardi announced the findings of the Catholic Church from the pulpit in Guatemala City, stating that 90% of the deaths had been caused by the Guatemalan military. He finished his sermon with the following:


Bringing the memory of these painful events into the present leads us to confront some of the first words of our faith, "Cain, where is your brother Abel?"
"I don't know," he answered. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
Yahweh replied, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground" (Gn 4:9-10). p. xxv.
(snip/...)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/9/222442/5744

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 03:45 PM
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15. Guatemala's current president is conservative
Berger. are the people idiotic for electing him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_Portillo

link on the prevous president.


fascinating none of your posts mentioned Efrain Rios Montt. some of the worst atrocities in Guatemala occurred under his reign. He was a military leader then dictator. suprisingly, many people thought conditions improved under his reign. he was elected to Congress later on and ran for president again in 2004. He got 19% of the vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efra%C3%ADn_R%C3%ADos_Montt

http://shr.aaas.org/guatemala/ciidh/qr/english/chap6.html
"Remarkably, Ríos Montt, now retired from the army, remains a leading political figure in his country, heading the country’s largest opposition party, the Guatemala Republican Front (FRG). Today many Guatemalans consider the former general a savior who brought the open conflict with the guerrillas to a close."

a good timeline

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/montt.html



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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:20 PM
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16. For anyone unaware of the U.S. part in Guatemalan genocide, here's
an interesting fact to consider: Bill Clinton officially apologized for it.

It's mentioned in this timeline:
1998 - Bishop Juan Gerardi Conedera presents the Roman Catholic Church's Recovery of Historical Memory ('Never Again') Report detailing the Guatemalan Army's involvement in the atrocities of the civil war. The report attributes about 90% of human rights violations committed during the conflict to the state forces. Two days later, on 26 April, the bishop is beaten to death.

In 2001 three army officers and a Roman Catholic priest are brought to trial for the murder. Despite intimidation of prosecutors, witnesses and judges involved in the case, the three are convicted. The officers are sentenced to 30 years jail each. The priest receives a 20-year sentence. The identities of those responsible for issuing the order to kill the bishop are never revealed.

On 19 June 1998, meanwhile, Ríos Montt is reelected for a third term as head of the FRG.

On 29 December the president of Guatemala asks for forgiveness for the human rights violations committed by the military and its operatives during the civil war. The call follows a more limited appeal for forgiveness made by the URNG on 19 February.

Also during the year, US President Bill Clinton publicly apologises for his country's support of Guatemala's past regimes.
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http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/montt.html

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The entire megatragedy concerning what the hell happened can be researched so easily.

Look for information on the Reagan right-wing, Christian fundamentalist preacher/dictator/monster Efraín Ríos Montt. There's a TON of material on this filthy scum. His American friends include Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell who took money from their ignorant followers and sent it to Montt to augment his funds for his genocidal pursuits.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:21 PM
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17. more of that compassionate conservatism via plane...nt.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 05:04 PM
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18. Helicopter, actually.
:mad:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:55 PM
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19. Bush in Guatemala: Time to Tackle Impunity
Bush in Guatemala: Time to Tackle Impunity
by Buddy Rutzke
www.dissidentvoice.org
March 11, 2007

President Bush will be touching down for a visit to Guatemala about two weeks before the twenty-fifth anniversary of the coup d’état that brought to power General Efraín Ríos Montt, one of the most murderous US-backed dictators of the Cold War era. While Guatemalans are engaged in a struggle to bring that man to justice, a White House press release says Bush will be visiting “to experience the rich cultural diversity of this Central American nation, meet with President Oscar Berger, and emphasize the close relationship between our two countries.”
(snip)

General Ríos Montt seized power from his predecessor, President Romeo Lucas García, on March 23, 1982. During the reigns of these two leaders, more than 132,000 civilians were killed. According to a UN-sponsored truth commission, 93% of these murders were perpetrated by state security forces.

Much like former dictator Augusto Pinochet of Chile, Lucas García recently died before being held accountable for his crimes. Ríos Montt, however, is alive and still a powerful political figure in Guatemala. While he has thus far managed to evade prosecution attempts for his crimes, survivors of the general’s scorched earth campaigns began fighting to bring him and members of his military and civilian high command to justice in the Guatemalan and Spanish legal systems in 2001 and 1999, respectively. Ríos Montt’s legal team is stalling the process with unsubstantiated appeals, and the Guatemalan Attorney General lacks the political will to move the case forward.

The evidence against Ríos Montt includes thousands of recently exhumed corpses, hundreds of officially documented massacres, myriad eyewitnesses, and a chain of command that leads directly to him. An international arrest warrant restricts the former dictator from fleeing to other countries, but within Guatemala he remains free. In fact, Ríos Montt is expected to run for the Guatemalan Congress in September, motivated by the possibility of gaining immunity as a sitting member of congress.

Over the years, Ríos Montt received immense support from the United States government. He was trained in “counterinsurgency tactics” at the School of the Americas, run by the US army. He received funds and weapons from our country, and the explicit support of figures such as Ronald Reagan and Pat Robertson. President Clinton acknowledged these mistakes and apologized to Guatemala during a visit there in 1999. President Bush can now go a step further and support Guatemala’s struggle against impunity by encouraging the Guatemalan government to either move the national case against Ríos Montt and his cohorts forward or respect the international arrest warrants issued by Spain and extradite them to that country. By supporting the survivors of genocide, Bush would truly promote justice, security and stability in the region.
(snip/...)

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar07/Rutzke11.htm

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mural surrounding Comalapa's public cemetery depicting some of the atrocities which took place during the 1980's.

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The town of Nebaj, inhabited by indigenous Mayans of the Ixil ethnic group, suffered the highest number of deaths and massacres during the internal conflict.

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Painting relating the burial of the 47 victims from the December 1997 massacre carried on by ultra-right wing paramilitary groups.

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