Breaking: Top General (Pace) calls homosexuality 'immoral'

[doxieone]

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Top general calls homosexuality 'immoral'



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070312pace,1,4954133.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Monday that he supports the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" ban on gays serving in the military because homosexuality is "immoral" and on par with having an extramarital affair.

Addressing the controversial policy as part of a wide-ranging interview with the Tribune in Chicago, Pace said the military should not "condone" immoral behavior by allowing gay soldiers to serve openly. He said his views were based on his "upbringing," in which certain types of conduct were thought to be immoral.

"I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts...," Pace said, while also calling it immoral for military members to commit adultery with another service member's spouse. "I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is okay to be immoral in anyway.


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[tridim]

1. Did he really say "immortality" or "immorality"? n/t

[doxieone]

3. My spelling went haywire.

It is fixed.

[Greyskye]

11. now it is

delete

[yurbud]

40. he thought it would be too obvious if he said it was divine.

[Fresh_Start]

2. Did he ever talk about Bush illegal war as immoral?

probably not cause bushshit is buttering Pace's toast in the mornings.

[gratuitous]

13. Yes, I eagerly await further lecturing from Mr. Pace

I really want to hear the "moral" explanation for dropping 500 and 2000 pound bombs on unsuspecting civilians who can't fight back and can't get away. And how that squares with Jesus' commandment to love one's enemies. I'm reasonably sure that when he said that, Jesus probably meant "don't kill them."

[FarCenter]

41. ...Jesus probably meant "don't kill them."

"Kill them all, the Lord will recognise His own."

[ruggerson]

4. So people loving people of their own gender

is immoral, while people murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in an unjustifiable war is not, eh?

I'll go with the folks who love each other. And I bet Jesus will too.

[EFerrari]

19. Don't forget to rate up the thread. I'd like to do a call in day

because THIS is CR@p.

/ooops

[ruggerson]

28. Your wish is my command

done. :)

[EFerrari]

29. Thank you.

:)

[C_U_L8R]

5. and war isn't ?

what a clown

[DemKR]

6. Bigot n/t

[doxieone]

7. Is this his 'honorable' way of getting out of his job??

Maybe he wants out by causing controversy like this.

[il_lilac]

43. I had the same thought

must want out bad- I say don't let the door kick him in the ass!

[KingFlorez]

78. Could be

[Skittles]

8. I bet he thinks war is just A-OK though

yes INDEED :o

[Starbucks Anarchist]

9. Good thing we have enough Arabic translators.

Oh, wait, we don't, because of idiotic attitudes spread by this asshole. :puke:

[SCDem]

10. killing is moral and loving someone is immoral

Why it's called military intelligence I have no idea.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

54. Go figure.

:shrug:

[havocmom]

12. How does he feel about heterosexuals who rape comrades in arms?

Or the waste of making qualified linguists leave the service just because of their orientation?

[EFerrari]

30. 80% of female soldiers experience sexual harassment.

But, that's moral I guess because they don't talk about it. F heads.

[Liberal Veteran]

14. I think eating shrimp is immoral.....so anyone who eats shrimp can't be in the military!

Why should the military immoral behavior like eating shrimp or touching a woman who is on her period?

[B3Nut]

69. Yes! God hates shrimp!

And poly-cotton blends, too! Repent, you golf-shirt-wearing seafood-eating heathens! :D

So love is immoral, killing is holy...hmm, I don't recall ever getting that memo. Must have gotten mixed up with the coversheets for the TPS reports...

What a world...

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

[EFerrari]

15. What is this asshole doing on a government payroll?

HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED BIGTIME.

[NRaleighLiberal]

16. Pace is simply another example of Immoral leadership in this country.

I am speechless. Just when you think you've heard, read, or seen enough, it goes one further.

[EFerrari]

17. We need to do a call in day about this shit.

Because if we let this slide, it WILL NEVER CHANGE.

If you can help me in the morning, PM me.

F#ck these people.

:nuke:
:nuke:
:nuke:

[goclark]

18. All soldier who are now in Iraq should declare they are

homosexual and see if they can get a MORAL DISCHARGE!

When do these CROOKS and two faced scumbag stop!

He is probably a friend of Foley's and to think that he is running his mouth and putting down people that are fighting for our country!

:puke: on him

[katsy]

20. I don't think any more gay lives should be given in service to this

mad frickin country anyway. Nor do I think ANY poor or middle class kids, whether straight-gay-black-white-brown-female-male, should serve.

Let these "morally" superior inbred lunatic elitest kool-aid-drunk nutjobs go kill one another.

Arm the morally elitest little buffys and dirks to wage your nutty wars right out of harvard and ship them off to the frontlines. No big loss.


We'll need our best and brightest progressive straight-gay-black-white-brown-female-male kids right here to help put the pieces of this country back together after the nutjobs exterminate themselves.

[EFerrari]

22. Sounds like a good plan to me. n/t

[xchrom]

21. general pace announced today that he's a tapeworm and sucks

shit for a living.

[Ilsa]

23. This is probably One reason he is where he is today: saying shit

like this to the big dogs running the show.

[MethuenProgressive]

24. Don't Ask/Don't Tell isn't about morality -or so we were told.

_deleted a whole lot of words_

:argh:

[youngdem]

25. Killing for oil based on lies? Still ok.

:banghead:

[Scooter24]

26. Yet, active duty military personnel still have affairs...

but at least they aren't getting kicked out of the military.

[Sabriel]

27. Is it OK to commit adultery with a non-service member's spouse?

Just checking, General.

And I wholeheartedly concur with the post upthread: all immoral service people should take their immoral bodies out of the service and go elsewhere...like into the private sector.

If you didn't follow the message thus far, here's a summary:

We don't want to know if you're homosexual, and we think you're immoral and don't condone your behavior, but by all means, feel free to die for your country.

Military gays and lesbians, PLEASE vote with your feet on this one. And thanks for your service.

[Ken Burch]

31. "...homosexual acts between TWO individuals are immoral..."

All-battalion circle jerks are ok, then?

[sakabatou]

56. self-delete

[Lint Head]

32. Hey Peter

Hey Peter, pace yourself. Relax. Don't do it, if you wanna come.

War is orgasmic to pricks like this.

:dem:

[EFerrari]

33. We need votes here, .guys.

:kick:

[izzybeans]

34. Once again Bill Hicks said it best "I don't want any gay people around me while I'm killing kids."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np6_b-72H3E

[Chipper Chat]

35. I would like Pace's view on St. Patrick.

He combined checks and stripes in his duds. How immoral!!!! I suppose he shouldn't be allowed in a foxhole with another GI! Yes "Peter," thank gawd for "don't ass don't tail." Now I know that you would love to do what St. Patrick did for Ireland - get rid of all the gay snakes.

[Ediacara]

36. I believe bigotry's immoral; does that mean Pace is disqualified from serving?

[Olney Blue]

37. Let he who is without sin... throw the first bomb.

[vssmith]

38. What he believes is fine

How he acts is another matter

[ruggerson]

46. No it's not fine

Not fine at all for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to spew this garbage in a major newspaper. He's entitled to his beliefs, no matter how ugly, but he can keep them to himself when in uniform and supposedly representing all of us.

[Toucano]

55. I prefer to hear it.

I think it's better out in the open.

I'm really not comfortable saying someone is free to have their own ideas and yet not free to express them.

[vssmith]

67. Spewing garbage is an action

[Beausoir]

77. No it's not fine. He's a fucking bigot. He makes me sick. Bloodthirsty warmonger.

[yurbud]

39. based on experience?

"I have tried both pitching and catching, and in neither case did I feel morally comfortable."

[Sirveri]

42. This is quite amusing considering the vast infidelity in the military.

I've heard more stories about people sleeping around behind their wifes back, and then the wifes sleeping around as well. Seems like he has misplaced his goals and is fighting against a much less common problem in the armed forces today.

[Strathos]

44. Evangelical infiltration

That's what this is. I hate these fucking people who tell me because I love another man I'm immoral yet they can kill thousands and come back home smiling waiting for commendations and promotions.

We must stop these evangelicals before we're all back in the closet or hanging from trees.

[goforit]

45. Considering that IS the way to work your way up the ladder in the military,

Many will call him outa line.

[aquart]

47. Replace his bigoted ass.

[insleeforprez]

48. At least he was honest

and wasn't nearly as hurtful as Tim Hardaway.

In some ways, Pace just "came out" as a homophobe. I'm curious to see the reaction to this; it could make or break whether don't ask/don't tell gets repealed or not.

[bluedog]

49. does this include Cheneys daughter?

[nashville_brook]

50. with the Walter Reed scandal deepening -- time to bring out the gays!

everyone loves a debate about gays in the military! start talking about gays or gay sex or sex or sexy gays and no one hears any thing else.

presto chango -- Walter Reed begone!

[nashville_brook]

51. they've got subpenis envy...

[yava]

52. change subjet?

It looks like they want to change the subject from Wars to SEX and GOD!

[nashville_brook]

58. scandal? what scandal? abject military failure? what abject military failure?

[Occulus]

53. and this would be one reason why i will never serve in any capacity, even if 'required'.

the only way i would ever defend my country is in the face of an actual invasion- and, even then, i would not do so as part of any military force.

Those here arguing for some form of universal serve, those here who augre for a draft- sorry, but i will always oppose you.

For me, the us military isn't worth spit to join. i might get beaten or killed by my own...

[cyr330]

57. I wonder what his upbringing says about interracial marriage?

[Phrogman]

59. Coming from a guy that grew up with a name like "Peter Pace"! LOL

Some of the greatest generals in history have been homosexuals.

Peter Pace is not a real general, he's just a Bush ass-licker.

[maddezmom]

60. OMG...what utter claptrap

Don't these asshats have enough on their plates. :mad: He needs to apologize or resign for being a bigot.

[kiwilover]

61. What a Pace

Pace=Crap

[lebkuchen]

62. Now we know how he got his job

I couldn't figure it out before.

[OneBlueSky]

63. homosexuality is perfectly natural . . . what's immoral is illegal wars that . . .

kill and maim hundreds of thousands of people and lay waste to an entire sovereign nation in order to maximize profits for oil companies and "defense" contractors" . . . THAT's what's immoral, you twit . . .

[0rganism]

64. so homosexuality is "on par with having an extramarital affiar"? OK, put up or shut up, general

If you're serious, general, I'd expect to see every soldier who has verifiable extramarital relations discharged immediately.

That means no more whoring around off base during R&R, Pace. No more underage playmates in Bangkok, no more burqa buddies in Baghdad. Now you get a court martial with your cold sore.

Let's find out how many troops are willing to re-enlist on those terms. Gen. Pace might just get his "army of one" after all.

[doxieone]

65. Hopefully his attitude is the exception...

and not the rule with the other generals.

[Solly Mack]

66. I think torture is immoral

I think sending troops off without proper equipment is immoral
I think sending sick troops off to war in immoral
I think not treating the wounded is immoral
I think illegal detentions are immoral
I think denying due process is immoral
I think a war of lies is immoral


I think Pace is a hypocrite since adultery happens throughout the military branches and happens without repercussions for the most part.
Every now and then it is used as an additional charge as part of a charge pile on when it is politically expedient to do so.

I think Pace is immoral.

[noonwitch]

68. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" gives guys like him a way to separate the personal from the professional

I don't agree with him, but he is only expressing that the current policy works for him. He doesn't have to address behavior that he doesn't want to address if it's not brought to his attention.

I'm of the Chris Rock philosophy-let the gays serve, because I'm not going to.

[Eugene]

70. AP: Gay Advocates Demand Apology From Pace

Gay Advocates Demand Apology From Pace


Tuesday March 13, 2007 12:31 PM

AP Photo NY120

By PAULINE JELINEK

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - A gay advocacy group Tuesday demanded an apology from the
Pentagon's top general for calling homosexuality immoral.

In a newspaper interview Monday, Marine Gen. Peter Pace had likened homosexuality
to adultery and said the military should not condone it by allowing gays to serve
openly in the military.

“General Pace's comments are outrageous, insensitive and disrespectful to the
65,000 lesbian and gay troops now serving in our armed forces,” the advocacy
group Servicemembers Legal Defense Network said in a statement on its Web site.

The group has represented some service members dismissed from the military for their
sexual orientation.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6477046,00.html

[Le Taz Hot]

71. But torture is perfectly OK.

Fundies -- it just boggles the mind, doesn't it?

[BigDDem]

72. Next time you're snuggled up to Cheney

make sure and let him know his daughter is immoral. Oh, and good job
ditching the gay Arabic linguists pre and post 9/11. Who needs them anyway, right Peter?

Edited to add: Fuck you Pace.

[suegeo]

73. What an uptight hypocrite

How about stealing:
elections?
Billions of tax payers dollars?
Iraq's oil?

How about leaving people to drown/die in a hurricane?

How about forging documents with help of Italians, leading to an invasion that leaves thousands dead and many more maimed?

How about ignoring warnings, in early 2001, about an upcoming attack on America, which lead to inaction on the part of the military and the subsequent deaths of about 3000?

Torture, any one? Got Fascism?

There isn't enough room to document the current immorality of this guy and his bosses, not to mention all the past, immoral B.S. pulled by the military and our "leaders" E.G. -- would anyone like to use a blanket contaminated with small pox? How about Tuskegie (sp?) Airmen?

Lecture away mega-douche bag. The only ones listening are members of the general Pace sterility cult.

[olddad56]

74. is it as immoral as, say, invading a country and slaughtering their citizens?

[olddad56]

75. this guy should have to marry Ann Coulter

[DrunkenMaster]

79. killing ain't immoral with Gawd on your side!

Don't you know that yet?

[yardwork]

76. Scum. More scum.

I'm reading the news this morning and all I see is scum! The Bush administration has taken the Worst. People. Ever. and put them in charge of murdering and destroying the world.

I guess I'm having a bad day.

[mikelgb]

80. Killing is Immoral

[slackmaster]

81. He's using the UCMJ as his moral compass

Both sodomy and extramarital affairs are grounds for a dishonorable discharge.

[leveymg]

82. Why do you think TIME published this now?

Comes at exactly the same time AIPAC has managed to pressure Democratic Congressmen to excise the measure expressly forbidding Bush from attacking Iran without Congressional approval. I see this as an effort to try to isolate Pace from his base of support among progressive Democrats, and that has everything to do with his role in resisting White House efforts to escalate tensions against Iran.

I disapprove of expressions of bigotry, as well, but I also see the bigger picture about what's going on here.

Think about it before you hop on this bandwagon. This is an AIPAC campaign against Pace for his pushback against their Iran war program.

[LeftHander]

83. And WAR and the killing of innocents is a Warm Fuzzy Rainbow...

what a war monger

ON edit...took out the anger...

[Generator]

84. Thanks for your opinion, General

I think we've heard it for the last few hundred years. Did someone ask his opinion? Is anyone surprised? Doesn't he have something better to do, like lose a war or something?