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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:15 PM
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CNN: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to September 11, 2001, attacks and other terrorist attacks
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 07:07 PM by sabra

http://www.cnn.com/

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to September 11, 2001, attacks and other terrorist attacks and plots at a hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a transcript released Wednesday, Reuters reports.



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http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1433573220070314

Mohammed claims responsible for 9/11: transcript

(Reuters) - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks on the United States, has claimed responsibility for those and other major al Qaeda attacks, according to the transcript of a hearing at Guantanamo Bay released on Wednesday.

"I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z," said Mohammed, speaking through a personal representative, according to the transcript of the hearing at the U.S. military prison camp released by the Pentagon.




from BBC:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6452573.stm

<snip>

The hearing was the first time Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had faced a court since being captured in Pakistan in 2003.

The transcripts have been translated from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Arabic and edited by the Pentagon to remove sensitive intelligence material.


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cspanlovr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:19 PM
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1. Were they torturing him at the time? Can't help but wonder...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:20 PM
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54. We have your sons: CIA
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 10:27 PM by struggle4progress
We captured his sons. John Yoo spun his charming theories about using children to force their parents to talk. The guy was in a secret CIA prison for three-and-a-half years. At the end, he confesses: he's responsible for all the terror plots.

We have your sons: CIA
March 10 2003
By Olga Craig
Kuwait

Two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks, are being used by the CIA to force their father to talk.

Yousef al-Khalid, 9, and his brother, Abed al-Khalid, 7, were taken into custody in Pakistan in September when intelligence officers raided a flat in Karachi where their father had been hiding ...

The boys have been held by the Pakistani authorities but this weekend they were flown to America where they will be questioned about their father. CIA interrogators confirmed that the boys were staying at a secret address where they were being encouraged to talk about their father's activities ...

Mohammed, 37, is being held in solitary confinement at the Bagram US military base in Afghanistan. He is being subjected to "stress and duress" interrogation techniques ...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/09/1047144871928.html


Torturing People's Children
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
JANUARY 12, 2006
11:46 AM
CONTACT: Institute for Public Accuracy
Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; or David Zupan, (541) 484-9167

... On Dec. 1, 2005, Cassel debated John Yoo, who was mentioned by Sen. Biden on Thursday morning and who has been one of the main legal planners of the Bush administration's torture policies. Here is part of their exchange:

Cassel: "If the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?"

Yoo: "No treaty."

Cassel: "Also no law by Congress -- that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo."

Yoo: "I think it depends on why the president thinks he needs to do that."

Audio available ...

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2006/0112-04.htm


CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
Debate Is Growing Within Agency About Legality and Morality of Overseas System Set Up After 9/11
By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 2, 2005; Page A01

The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.

The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html


Published on Friday, November 18, 2005 by ITN / UK
'Cheney is Vice President for Torture'
A former CIA director has claimed that torture is condoned and even approved by the Bush government.

... Admiral Turner claims the secret CIA prisons used for torture are known as 'black sites', terror suspects are picked up in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan.They are flown by CIA-controlled private aircraft to countries where there are secret interrogation centres, operating outside any country's jurisdiction ...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1118-08.htm


'High-Value' Detainees Transferred to Guantanamo
By JONATHAN KARL

Sept. 6, 2006 — President Bush announced that 14 "high-value" detainees, who were held at secret CIA prisons, were transferred to the Department of Defense at Guantanamo Bay and granted protection under the 1949 Geneva Conventions. It is the first time the administration publicly acknowledged the existence of the prisons ...

The protections apply to all prisoners now being held by the CIA, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ...

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2400470


Transcript: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confesses 9/11 role
POSTED: 10:33 p.m. EDT, March 14, 2007

... according to an edited transcript of the hearing released by the Pentagon Wednesday .... In a statement from him, read by a U.S. military representative, he said, "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z."

The transcript continues with the list of operations he was responsible for, including the Richard Reid shoe bomber attempt to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic Ocean, the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonesia, the 1993 World Trade Center attack and other attacks that were foiled. (Read transcript (PDF))

The latter included surveying the Panama Canal for an attack to destroy it and surveying suspension bridges and high-rises in New York and Chicago, Illinois, to bring them down as well.

The list of some 29 operations he was responsible for is followed by a shorter list of operations he was partially responsible for, including an assassination attempt against then-Pope John Paul II while he was visiting the Philippines ...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.mohammed/


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spiderpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:56 AM
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101. Um..yeah...I'm convinced
zzzzzzzzzzz
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lse7581011 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #1
128. My Thoughts Exactly! n/t
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:42 AM
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132. HERE'S THE AUDIO OF THE CONFESSION!!!
Q: Did you father Anna Nicole Smith's daughter?

A: Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!!! OW! EEAAARRGGHH!!! YES!YES!YES!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:19 PM
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2. I'm sure he did
He probably would have confessed to killing JFK if anyone had asked him.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:20 PM
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3. I wonder if they tortured him at Gitmo to get him to say this.
Or if he said this of his own free will?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
139. Of course they tortured him! That's why the Gitmo prison was set up!
Hell, put Mr Rodgers in those conditions for 3 yrs and he'd confess to all sorts of heinous crimes too.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:21 PM
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4. He probably confessed to bombing Pearl Harbor, as well.
Any "confessions" from people held in secret prisons where torture is known to happen - is suspect.

This is what made "confessions" from Soviet pirsoners suspect, too.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
27. No, the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. Don't stop him, he's on a roll...n/t
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Okay he helped the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor
and was behind the McKinley assassination too.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Don't get me started on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and McKinley
It won't be pretty.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. LOL!
The connections have only now become obvious!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #36
75. LOL
:)
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #4
129. He also confessed to being the father of Anna Nicole Smiths child.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:25 PM
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6. trying to break
the abu gonzales scandal off the from page, huh
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:28 PM
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7. Oh, look. Something shiny. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:34 PM
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8. YAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Now we don't have to find Osama!!! We have the REAL KILLER!!!!!!!
Give me a fucking break...this guy is the mastermind like I'm the lead singer at the Metropolitan Opera.

Yes, yes...it was MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!



Pay no attention to that seven foot tall guy who chit-chatted about the details in Afghanistan...he was just a groupie.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:40 PM
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11. You know the seven foot tall guy was guilty, how?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:51 PM
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14. Didn't he also confess to it in a video?
Hmm.
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:20 PM
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21. That video was a bit suspect, not particularly clear and such. I was under the impression that
Mohammed worked for/with OBL though.

I'm sure the * administration has some "slam dunk" evidence that they can't show us because it's classified(Like a NOC's identity.) to prove it all...

As for torture: If you waterboard me or stick a knife under my kneecap or ..., I'll confess to whatever you want. I'll make stuff up so fast it'll make your head spin.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
32. Hmm
No, he did not. Why? Do you have a reputable link that says he did?

Moreover, Colin Powell never did submit the White Paper he promised American citizens that would be proof of his guilt.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:03 PM
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70. Yeah, like I know that a guy whose native language isn't english is gonna
confess to crimes from

A to Z




Because everyone who doesn't speak English as a native language IMMEDIATELY uses that as areference.


Yeah... sure.

But I have no knowledge of the seven foot guy. Guilty, or not????

I'm asking about this short fat 'bring the guilty bastard in' guy.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #70
86. that term struck me too
does the Yemen alphabet have A to Z?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:24 AM
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88. It;s ARABIC, and there is an A and there is a Z, sorta...
But Z is NOT the last letter, by ANY stretch.

So the goddamn reference does not make ANY sense.

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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #88
126. Also telling was his boast that he runs Al Queda "from soup to nuts"
That he was elevated to his leadership position for "thinking outside the box" and he thinks his wife has a "badonkadonk" butt.

shocking
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #70
87. Then why bring up the seven foot guy?
Personally, I don't believe anything our govmint says, about the short or the tall dude.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #87
89. I was being facetious.
Oi....
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:49 AM
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90. O-
kay
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #90
92. Pull the string, read up the thread.
No, nevermind, don't bother.

It requires an understanding of the history of the issue indepth.

Leave it at the alphabet nonsense. I'm not interested in getting into seven foot guys, really.

No point.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #8
39. Just like OJ, Osama found the real killer
Oh, wait, OJ never found anything....
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:37 PM
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9. He is the guy the CIA waterboarded and then said
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 06:38 PM by Solly Mack
he lasted the longest...

"However during the November 18 broadcast of ABC's World News Tonight, chief investigative correspondent Brian Ross reported that "CIA officers say 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed lasted the longest under waterboarding, two and a half minutes, before beginning to talk, with debatable results."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512160006
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #9
22. good find
important
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
38. Nah...good memory :)
and lots of saved links
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. So we tortured a confession out of him. Awesome.
I wonder what else he confessed to?
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:03 PM
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35. Isn't that great?
"Torture is a sure means to absolve robust villains and condemn weak innocent men"
"The law makes you suffer because you are guilty, you could be guilty, it wants you to be guilty"
Cesare Beccaria
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #24
37. to trying to kill Pope John Paul 2 (I kid you not)
among other things
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #9
48. and don't forget bush's pathetic goons were just caught altering transcripts
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 09:58 PM by anotherdrew
just typing whatever they wanted... only it turned out there were 'original' 'raw' copies, that were very different. So frankly, the bush admin needs to resign, they need to be removed from power for grave national security reasons, they've proven themselves unworthy of trust, unreliable and delusional lairs. The entire lot needs to be imprisoned.

that being said, he probably was involved, but so what? I think they want another TV execution
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. I remember that
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #48
76. I didn't hear about that. How could it have escaped me?
When did that happen...which doesn't surprise me. I've always suspected that they do that. When did they get caught?
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #76
106. Here's a pointer to more info I think
I heard about it on Harry Shearer's Le Show I think... the march 11th show... http://www.harryshearer.com/index_2.html
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rec_report Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #9
66. GREAT find!!! n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:38 PM
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10. How interesting that a guy who doesn't use the roman alphabet would use "from A to Z" as a reference
while speaking IN A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH.

Too clever by half, eh?

Sniff, sniff...anyone else smell un poquito de raton?

I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z," said Mohammed, speaking through a personal representative, according to the transcript of the hearing at the U.S. military prison camp released by the Pentagon.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:44 PM
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12. from BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6452573.stm

<snip>

The hearing was the first time Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had faced a court since being captured in Pakistan in 2003.

The transcripts have been translated from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Arabic and edited by the Pentagon to remove sensitive intelligence material.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #12
67. Well..... ah HA, then.
Which is my way of saying "Listen to the bullshit fly!"
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #10
42. Does speaking through a personal representative mean someone confessed for him in his name? nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #42
68. You tell me...and while you're at it, tell me how much you know about, say, hiragana and katakana NT
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 05:28 AM
Response to Reply #68
112. I say they didn't even bother to ask him and probably made it up somewhere in Langley etc....
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 05:29 AM by CGowen
btw I don't speak Japanese
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #112
137. I say that's a distinct possibility as well! It just seems too glib... NT
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rec_report Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
69. Good observation!! n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #69
81. I lived in that end of the world. Never heard that reference from anyone, even
the 'public school' (meaning PRIVATE SCHOOL) types.

From pillar to post, from soup to nuts...but from A to Z? No. Never.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #10
148. The government does not have any credibility on this matter
but I believe you are not on the right track if you are taking issue with the wording chosen in the given translation.

If you have seen translations of Japanese then you know that certain liberties are taken with wording, if I may use that expression.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #148
151. Sure, Mack-OO--Dona-do
isn't exactly "McDonald's" in Japanese. But we aren't talking about a novel, or a translation of one of those idiotic anime cartoons!

In this case, we're talking about a transcript of an official, for-the-record JUDICIAL HEARING. In these situations, a word-for-word translation IS in order. The translator should not insert local or national 'expressions' to convey the words of the defendant. That's absolutely wrong. Inexcusable.

The only changes that one makes have to do with word order within a given sentence--not embellishments on the meaning of the words spoken by the defendant.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:48 PM
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13. remember the good ol days when "terrorists" took responsibility for their actions?
You know, releases to news agencies stating that we did X and here's why. So one of the GREATEST acts of terrorism of ALL TIME occurs, and OBL (initially... TWICE) denies any culpability while KSM finally buckles under the pressure and makes a full confession. Yeah -- I'm believing this.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Yes, even in the 80s terrorists ALWAYS claimed credit. Otherwise, what's the point.
Then intel agencies took over the terror business.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #13
43. could you provide a link?
not being snarky, but I've seen other posters say that OBL denied involvement in the 9-11 attacks, I requested a link, and all I got were crickets chirping.

Is there a transcript of OBL, (from a credible source please, no "truther" sites) actually denying involvement in the attacks? You seem to be saying that he denied it twice. BBC, CNN, NYTimes, WaPo, similar sources will do.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:00 PM
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52. September 16, 2001: Bin Laden Denies Involvement in 9/11 Attacks
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 10:01 PM by frylock
Confirming earlier reports (Reuters, 9/13/2001) , bin Laden denies any involvement in the 9/11 attacks. In a statement to Al Jazeera, he states, “I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons.” (CNN, 9/17/2001) The US claims that he confesses his role in a video message two months later, but the contents of that video are highly disputed.

September 28, 2001: Bin Laden Again Denies Involvement in 9/11 Attacks

Bin Laden says in an interview, “I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States (see September 16, 2001). As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of battle.… The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology can survive. They may be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups capable of causing large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who have been annoyed with President Bush ever since the Florida elections and who want to avenge him.… Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from Congress and the government every year.… They needed an enemy.… Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked who carried out the attacks.” (Daily Ummat (Karachi), 9/28/2001)

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091601noinvolvement#a091601noinvolvement
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:49 PM
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83. Way to cherry pick. You're quoting written replies from theTaliban, and ignoring
the numerous times obl has admitted involvement with 9/11.

October 30th 2004: bin Ladin

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind..."

"And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children"
http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/1964.cfm


more thoughtful analysis of the issue
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #83
97. He spoke from the grave?
Talented man, that Osama.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:22 AM
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108. Sylvia Browne told you he was dead? nt
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:11 PM
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141. Nope
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:56 PM
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15. Breaking News! Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has also confessed to
being the mastermind behind the plot to blow up Parliament!

As a consequence, Guy Fawkes has been pardoned and November 5 shall hereafter be know as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Day in the United Kingdom.

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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:55 AM
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100. a penny for the Khalid
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 01:55 AM by allalone
doesn't have the same ring as a penny for the guy.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:59 PM
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16. What's wrong with this picture? Let me count the ways.
1. A guy who's been held at Guantanamo for how many years now, where they've done God knows what to him, finally "confesses" to masterminding 9/11.

2. We "know" this because the military released edited transcripts of his secret trial, so we have no independent witnesses.

3. The reason given for editing the transcripts is "national security." Ever since I read The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence back in 1979 or so, I've been verrrry suspicious of any claims of national security. That book made a good case that almost all "national secrets" are a) known to the people involved in it, b) known to the people being affected by the secret, and c) known to whoever the enemy is at the time. The only people kept in the dark about "national secrets" are the ordinary American people.

4. If we already have the guy who masterminded 9/11, what's all this stuff about Osama bin Laden?

I'm not convinced.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:03 PM
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18. Worse actually. He wasn't held at GTMO for years. He was in one of those secret prisons
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 07:05 PM by Solly Mack
the CIA ran and was one of those "high profile" 14 prisoners moved to GTMO last September

He is also the one the CIA claimed "lasted the longest" during water-boarding

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2400470
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:15 PM
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44. Ah yes water-boarding
Some day, these thugs will be prosecuted for war crimes
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 09:55 PM
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50. I hope so
got to admit though, I doubt it'll happen
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:07 PM
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72. He confessed to Al Jazeera prior to being arrested.
The masterminds of Holy Tuesday - 11 September - frankly describe their lives as professional terrorists: 'It is what we do for a living'

Tuesday March 4, 2003
The Guardian


Yosri Fouda of the Arabic television channel al-Jazeera is the only journalist to have interviewed Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the al-Qaida military commander arrested at the weekend. Here he describes the two-day encounter with him and his fellow organiser of September 11, Ramzi bin al- Shibh:

It was late afternoon, Sunday 21 April 2002, when I packed my bags before joining Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-shibh for a last prayer before saying goodbye.

Article continues
After nearly 48 hours with them the last moments in that Karachi safe house were bizarrely emotional. Ramzi hugged me closely, and Khalid handed me a statement called The Operation of the Jewish Synagogue in Djirba, Tunisia.

"You can read it later," he said. Then he insisted on leading the way down the stairs - a very uncharacteristic act for someone as security conscious as him. "You know what!" Khalid said as we walking down. "You would make the perfect terrorist. I mean, look at yourself! You are young, intelligent, highly educated, well organised, you speak good English, you live in London, and you are single."
more
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #16
98. 5. And a *representative* spoke on his behalf n/t
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:04 PM
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19.  For Sale - Oceanfront Land in Arizona....
A clean and pristine passport happens to float down from above the World Trade Center, lands in the street "undisturbed", along with a copy of the Koran. Thousands of First Responders, fire trucks, fire hoses and foot traffic, yet the passport is in perfect shape. Within 1/2 hour all major networks go live with full background information on Osama Bin Ladin,the "Perpetrator". The two flight recorders from the WTC Aircraft are the ONLY ones never to be collected from a major air disaster since the 1960's when recorders were first used. Fox News reports that two agents from the FBI picked up the flight recorders and took them away. The story then dies, and the American Public takes a big gulp of the official Kool-Aide.


:sarcasm:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:59 PM
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47. Looks like someone is paying attention to the facts.
Welcome to DU, lib2DaBone. :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:45 PM
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82. And is shortly directly to go SHOPPING. n/t
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:05 PM
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20. The bush administration has completely lost the trust of the American people and others around the
world. Nobody believes completely, nor does anyone really believe we'll ever know who was behind it.

They've wrecked the very last shreds of trust we had in our government. We have no confidence.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:30 PM
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23. Oh, I'm sure he did it. The Bush administration has been believable so far.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:32 PM
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25. i thought Saddam was dead
shit. i'm so confused.

Did we win yet?

I'll just turn on the teevee and they'll let me know.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:38 PM
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26. It seems I remember...

Watching F-911 and * says it was Osama's fault. Then he decided we were not interested in catching Osama after we lost him. What am I missing here?

As a refresher "who would Jesus torture"?

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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:40 PM
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28. So since we have this guy in custody and we can't catch Osama, yes...
it makes perfect sense...HE'S the mastermind.

That's pure George Bush politico at its finest.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:41 PM
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29. Well, Thank DOG! That let's OBL off the hook! ***whew***
:sarcasm:

Yup...pure justification for Gitmo and all that has gone on there...and what about the kids that had been (are?) held there? :grr:

OH! And, Great Ceasar's Gitmo! We can stop looking at all that confusing US Attorney firing stuff...whatever that is... :sarcasm:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:45 PM
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30. Does that mean we don't have to look for Osama anymore and can go home?
:boring:
rocknation
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:54 PM
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33. I hear he also admiited responsibility for toenail fungus...
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 07:54 PM by roamer65
herpes, telemarketing calls and global warming.:eyes:
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:09 PM
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40. Didn't he confess to this like 5 years ago?
They are desperate to draw attention away from Gonzo, Rove, and Harriet.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:21 PM
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45. captured about 4.5 years ago, but not credible because of water-boarding.
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 08:23 PM by CGowen
This time they probably just made it up.
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Release The Hounds Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:58 PM
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46. He also invented the 'turlet'
and turned cats and dogs against each other.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #46
119.  We had to say dickety, 'cause the kaiser had stolen our word "twenty."
Welcome to DU, Hans Moleman. :hi:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 09:55 PM
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51. Amazing timing. Gonzales must have made a call.
"Step up the belt sander on the genitalia. I need a distraction."
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:04 PM
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53. He must have brought down the Sands Hotel too because
the explosions looked so much alike
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
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55. 9/11 Master mind confesses in Guantanamo
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to that attack and a chilling string of other terror plots during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon. "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation from A to Z," Mohammed said in a statement read during the session, which was held last Saturday.

The transcripts also refer to a claim by Mohammed that he was tortured by the CIA, although he said he was not under duress at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo when he confessed to his role in the attacks.

Using his own words, the extraordinary transcript connects Mohammed to dozens of the worst terror plots attempted or carried out in the last 15 years — and to others that have not occurred. All told, thousands have died in operations he directed.

His words draw al-Qaida closer to plots of the early 1990s than the group has previously been connected to, including the 1993 World Trade Center truck bombing. Six people with links to global terror networks were convicted in federal court and sentenced to life in prison.

more at:

link

Well, I can see what's going to take over the headlines from the attorney scandal...
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. Does the arabic alphabet have A to Z ??
just asking the obvious
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majorjohn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #56
73. to answer your question
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 11:08 PM by majorjohn
first letter of the arabic alphabet is "alef" or "aleph", which would equal the letter A. In arabic it would look like the number 1.

Z would be equal to za, but it is not the last letter, it comes somewhere in the middle. In arabic it looks like a semicolon but the comma part would be longer and more curved.

The last letter would be Yaa which is equal to Y. In arabic it looks like a smiley face yet the two dots are underneath the mouth. So something like this ): but rotate it 90 degrees to the right.



for more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_alphabet
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. Did I tell you guys that I'm the Queen of England?
:eyes:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. What, you were at Guantanamo too?
LOL
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #59
77. Practicing!
lol
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colbertforpresident Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
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60. Tortured???
was this before of after they beat the hell out of him? Is this suppose to change the topic on the news channels?
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
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62. He said he was not under duress silly
They just gave him a nice pill for the confession.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. Nope...relief pitcher
during the R* implosion? Too cynical?

Welcome to DU :hi:
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
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58. I was the gunman on the grassy knoll.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
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61. Did someone say waterboard?
Obviously tortured. This makes him the third fall guy for another Bush friend, Osama Bin Laden. Hope no one has forgotten the Bushies were friends with the Bin Laden family who were flown out of the country immediately after 9/11 with other Saudi Arabians.
:dem:
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. The sad thing about all this is now we will will never know
if he is guilty or innocent because he did not get a trial.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:32 PM
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65. Reminds me of the confessions during Stalin's show trials of the 1930s
When I heard it on MSNBC they also mentioned a plan to blow up a Bank Plaza (or Plaza Bank) in Seattle which is pretty much non-existent. It is not mentioned in subsequent stories; I wonder why -- just to lend it all more credibility? Gave CNN a wonderful chance to dust off their 9/11 picture again. Pathetic. Instead of talking about how delusional the guy is and how come no press was present, they take it all 100% seriously. Unfortunately the Bushies still know how to work the press because they truly deserve each other and have about the same IQ. Tomorrow watch Cheney using it to warn us of the danger out there and all plans of attack they stopped! Despicable.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #65
99. plaza bank does exist
but it's only a part of one floor in an office building. anybody know what Library Tower in California is?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:04 PM
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71. He confessed 6 months BEFORE being arrested.
In the second part of a documentary aired by the Arabic television news network Al-Jazeera, two al Qaeda terrorists wanted by the United States give an account of their planning of the September 11 attacks and describe the actions of some of the main hijackers in their final days.

The documentary contains accounts and quotes attributed to Ramzi Binalshibh, described in the documentary as the "coordinator of the September 11 operation," and Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, a Kuwaiti who is on the United States' "most wanted" terrorist list and is believed by authorities to be one of the primary planners.
cnn archives
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. Right. So, this is news, how?
And did I tell you that I invented the internets?

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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #74
80. The news is that these latest confessions were during hearings.
Otherwise, it's not news at all.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:22 PM
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79. So why did we have to torture him if we already knew he
was the mastermind? It only took 2 1/2 of water boarding at Guantanamo....so what were they doing in those black prisons for all those years?

Gawd!!!! I hate this administration so much. They took away my pride and love of country. Hate em...hate em...hate em!
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:07 AM
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104. ...And it only took four years of torture to get him to confess again.
Clap. Clap. Clap. Now, let's get back to those attorney firings, eh?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:17 AM
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107. I doubt it will distract many people. nt
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majorjohn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:12 PM
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78. If he said he was innocent and was not involved in anything...
What exactly would change????
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yava Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 11:52 PM
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84. these guys
A very puzzling issue I have not resolved: it amost takes an American to think of doing terror on 9/11 so people call 911. Doesn't it seem an odd thought for fundamentalist Saudis or Pakistanis to have this idea?
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:17 AM
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85. did he shoot Abraham Lincoln too?
he even copped to the shoe bomber guy.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:23 AM
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93. Yep, Heard he was on a 'grassy knoll' in '63 too!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:03 AM
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103. And don't forget the Lindbergh kidnapping! n/t
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #103
105. oh man, I not only
forgot the kidnapping, but I totally forgot Poland.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:02 AM
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91. The timing couldn't be richer...let's not get off on the scandal tangents!!
We need to whip the masses back into the fear mode!! And QUICKLY. Why Bush is about to implode over Gonzo-Gate, Plame-Gate, Mueller-Gate, pick a scandal.

I am just shaking my head at the utter transparency and stupidity of this mis-administration. They just can't help but try one more shot at the old reliable terra card.

This time it's not going to work anymore.


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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:39 AM
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94. Also said he was in on a the plot against the Pope.
C'mon.. he's confessed to everything that has been planned or happened in the past 10 or so years. I'm calling bullshit.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:45 AM
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95. wait just a minute
wasn't the pope shot in the 70's? I was working in L.A. at the time.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:12 PM
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142. (1999) Don't forget, behind every Bush there is Al Qaeda
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 02:13 PM by CGowen
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:48 AM
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96. Pope assasination attempt was in 1981
26 years ago. how old is this guy anyway?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:58 AM
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102. If this guy is in captivity
and planned all known terror attacks...

does that mean the war on terror is over?
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:27 AM
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109. Sounds like the Bushies are trying to change the subject.
They must be getting desparate. Pulling out their big guns. "We've caught the #1 bad guy so ignore all the other news. Give us a break."
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:30 AM
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110. Bushco was in charge on 9/11 and ignored warnings.
Talking about this subject doesn't weaken the Democratic position.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:37 AM
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111. and he was the guy on the grassy knole too
and he helped fake the apollo moon landings.

what a crock.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 06:04 AM
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113. Quick! Look over here. Stop looking at Gonzales.
Can you say d-i-s-t-r-a-c-t-i-o-n, boys and girls?
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:25 AM
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114. Uh-oh. I think this guy must be the Zodiac killer, too. They'll have to edit the movie!
This smells of torture/Mohammed's ego/convenient diversion from BushCo's problems ... something stinks here.
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Ex Lion Tamer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:51 AM
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115. Other crimes he copped to:
disappearance of Amelia Earhart
global warming
die off of honeybees
sinking of Atlantis
disappearance of Anastasia
writing all of Shakespeare's works
hiding the Ark of the Covenant
stopping the Florida recount
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:25 AM
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130. don't forget...
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 10:26 AM by FredScuttle
Controls the British Crown
Keeps the metric system down
Leaves Atlantis off the maps
Keeps the Martians under wraps
Holds back the electric car
Made Steve Guttenberg a star (double waterboards for that affront to humanity!)
Robs cave fish of their sight
Rigs every Oscar night (but missed on Scorcese)

He does! He does!

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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:57 AM
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116. Years ago, they told the tale about some OBL guy who was the mastermind of 9/11.
With the right motivation, they can get this guy to admit he's OBL!:think:
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:28 AM
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117. There is no evidence he is not a robot
Bush is Hitler, he will do anything.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:34 AM
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118. Is this news or is it just a means to get 9/11 into headlines?
I think we all know the answer to that
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:49 AM
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120. Sabra, can you list the other things to which he has confessed?
Even the NPR (Neocon Public Relations) had to go on and on as to all of the terrorist acts this man supposedly committed.

My bet is that he is doing this on purpose. If he confesses to shooting J.R. Ewing, then the fools will once again be the lying, torturing Neocons.

The Neocons even fucked this up.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:58 AM
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121. assassination attempt against Clinton & Pope
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:26 AM
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122. The one that caught my eye and made me go "huh"? was
an alleged attempt to blow up a Pan Am airliner circa 1994-95 in the Philippines.

Some terrorist he is if he didn't know that Pan Am went out of business (at least as an international carrier) in 1991.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:38 AM
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124. A minor continuity error in a Hollywood script


What is number 3?
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:36 AM
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123. oh yeah, the terrorist who DIED before he was CAPTURED? please read
He is someone whose adventures in the media I have been following closely, because he is a total Orwellocity of this administration. There was an article in Paknews.com several years ago by Asim Mughal (now, interestingly, totally gone from google, but never fear, I saved it for posterity), take a look:


"Interrogating the dead Al-Qaida, or Are we Stupid?"

Asim Mughal

There are shrill cries of success and sighs of relief surrounding a news report that is being hailed as the biggest catch so far: No.3 man, Sheikh Khalid Muhammad, of the dreaded Al Qaida is captured, alive! The biggest success in the global war against terrorism. This is certainly excellent news and both the Pakistani and the American authorities deserve congratulations.

Unfortunately, while the coalition is claiming success, there is a run for taking the credit. The American version of the news from likes of CNN, Foxnews, MSNBC hardly mentions the Pakistani role and makes it sound like Sheikh Khalid Muhammad was captured somewhere in Texas, not from Rawalpindi. The Pakistani version earlier claimed this to be a joint operation but now it is claimed to be 100% Pakistani operation (News Link Mar 3, 2003).

The contradictions do not stop here. Americans claim that Sheikh Khalid Muhammad is in their custody and is now being interrogated for the second day. Whereas, the Pakistanis are saying that he has not been extradited to any country. Furthermre, it is being said that Sheikh Khalid will be extradited to Kuwait.

Now why Kuwait one asks? Sheikh Khalid Muhammad is being referred to as a citizen of anywhere from Kuwait, Pakistan, Yemen, up to holding 20 passports of different countries. What is his real nationality?

Now, about his role as the key planner of all past terrorism acts and all future acts. It is said that Khalid was the chief/key planner of 9/11 attacks? But wasn't that attributed to Osama Bin Laden? But wait! It was not too long ago that it was claimed that "key planner of the attacks on World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, Ramzi Bin al-Shibh" was arrested.


So, who is the real man?

<b> more troubling problem is that it was reported by both American and Pakistani authorities back in September 2002 that Sheikh Khalid Muhammad was killed in a raid. The reason we remember him vividly was the way his death was dramatized. He was reported as writing words on a wall with his own blood as he was dying ( News Link Sept 15, 2002).</b>

It was reported a few days after the report of a raid that Khalid's wife and children were in custody and being interrogated. ( News Link Sept 20, 2002)

So, maybe all this very confusing to an average buch of people like us, but perhaps someone can tell us who the real Sheikh Khalid Muhammad is? How can Sheikh Khalid Muhammad be in America, Pakistan and Kuwait at the same time? If he died in the gun battle on Sept 15, 2002 in Karachi, who has been raided and arrested on March 3, 2003?

We will all feel much safer when told the truth, rather than some raids and captures which do not add up, as it seems."
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:46 PM
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140. Yes, I remember those reports. But I guess he wasn't very useful dead so he was resurrected.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:41 AM
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125. He is also ANS baby DADDY!
case solved
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:17 AM
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127. AP: Mohammed Confesses to Killing Journalist (Daniel Pearl)
Mohammed Confesses to Killing Journalist


Thursday March 15, 2007 3:01 PM

AP Photo NY115

By KATHERINE SHRADER

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Transcripts show that suspected 9/11 mastermind
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to the beheading of American journalist
Daniel Pearl, according to a revised transcript released by the U.S.
military.

"I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew,
Daniel Pearl, in the city of Karachi, Pakistan," Mohammed is quoted as
saying in a transcript of a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba,
that was released Thursday by the Pentagon.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6482817,00.html
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:36 AM
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131. Wow, and I thought Bin Laden or Saddam were the masterminds.
That ONE man sure did alot, he was everywhere and apart of everything. Sounds like a scapegoat/mission accomplished banner.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:01 PM
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133. Hell, I thought it was Bill Clinton. n/t
n/t
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:03 PM
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134. Torture
Yes, I think it was the torture that made him admit to the attacks.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:15 PM
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135. Bet He's The Dirty Bastard Who Took My Remote Too!
He better say his prayers if he did! He's probably chicken to admit it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:37 PM
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138. Thank you for one of the best laughs of the day! NT
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:21 PM
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143. Thank You : )
There's more where that came from:evilgrin:
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:35 PM
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136. I heard he confessed to shooting JFK too
;)

-P
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:00 PM
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144. What torture did they apply? He may be guilty, but we will never know
since we cannot trust the government.
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LiberalMandrake Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 06:19 PM
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145. What the sheep are supposed to ask, i.e. to believe that they are accepting
What the sheep are supposed to ask, i.e. to believe that they are accepting

The immediate answer is obvious, even for the last sheep: one more step in the path of legalizing torture (mind control technique of increase level acceptance).
The question the sheep are supposed to ask is: Can Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's 'tortured' testimony be trusted?
In fact torture has long been accepted by every sheep, the latest with the Guantanamo mind control operation, that was launched short after 9/11. The acceptance process was concluded as the curtain fell on the next act of the script, the Abu Ghraib prison photos.

What the sheep are supposed to forget about and to really accept

The REAL TWO goals of this mind control operation:
- the first goal has to do with increase level acceptance. But it is one more step - the last step - in letting the sheep accept that the government did 9/11, since the act is staged to let even the last idiot understand that the government, by using torture to let him "confess", is in fact covering-up who really did 9/11.
- the second goal is to cover-up what the real question concerning the "new justice" is: can a "testimony" that we did not hear but is only propagated by the judicial system be trusted?

Reminder: the confessions propagated by the "defense lawyer" have been used again and again since Timothy Mc Veigh's trial.
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ekelly Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:56 PM
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146. Has anyone seen video
of Kahlid?

I don't hink I ever have. All I have ever seen is that same old Nick Nolte-ish photo of him (supposedly taken when they nabbed him).

I'm just asking because it seems like every time "they" capture someone they want us to oooohhh and aaaahhhh about, there are videos.

Makes me wonder if they have him in custody at all.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:59 PM
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147. Look! Over here! Gonzales who?
C'mon people. We've seen this before. And stupid Rosie O'Donnell took the bait on The View and became the news.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 01:47 AM
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149. AFP: Al Qaeda confession leaves many questions unanswered
Al Qaeda confession leaves many questions unanswered

by Jim Mannion

Thu Mar 15, 4:38 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - With no outside witnesses to a military hearing at Guantanamo
Bay, the confession of a top Al-Qaeda operative to a litany of terrorist plots including
the September 11 strikes has raised a host of unanswered questions.

-snip-

But the surprise was that he also claimed responsibility for at least 30 other plots,
some of them previously unknown, most of them unrealized, and nearly all on a
nightmarish scale that would have shaken the world if he had succeeded.

-snip-

With no media and other outside observers at the March 10 hearing at the US naval
base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, there is little to go by except a censored, 26-page
transcript released by the Defense Department Wednesday night.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he did not believe there was a video taped
record of the hearing.

He would not say whether Mohammed's extensive claims were considered credible.

-snip-

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070315/pl_afp/usattacksguantanamo_070315203848

No outside witnesses. No video record. Just selected excerpts from a confession
that may not be credible taken as a whole.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 05:55 AM
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150. yeah, we have had a bit of a break from republican fall-guy-ism
Guess it's time for the bush junta to start it up again.
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