Breaking news: Missing Georgia boy has been found dead.

[Archae]

No link yet.

Damn it! :grr:

[LiberalinNC]

1. check out

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/15/missing.boy/index.html

[liberalnurse]

2. All first time convicted

child molesters and all that applies under such behavior must be put away for life. That's the only way to reduce the statistics with child rapist and murders.

[Sequoia]

3. Totally agree!

Poor little boy, God help his family.

[carla]

39. Why should god help his family now?

Why don't you god believers see the hypocrisy in asking for help after the fact? Don't you see that your god was responsible for this heinous crime?

[Bake]

44. How, exactly, was God "responsible" for this heinous crime?

Project much?

Bake

[carla]

54. God was responsible for this crime...

because god-believers ascribe omnipotence and omniscience to such a being, ergo all that happens accrues to god. Of course, god-believers have solved such a dilemma by creating an anti-god, the devil. To repeat the old saw,'oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive'.
Fool yourself not, that others may not fool you.

[Sequoia]

49. Back off boogaloo.

Back off Boogaloo
I said
back off Boogaloo
Come on
back off Boogaloo
Boo.

What d'yer think you're gonna do
I gotta flash right from the start.
Wake up meat head don't pretend that.
You are dead get yourself up off the cart.
Get yourself together now
and give me something tasty.
Evrything you try to do
you it shure sound wasted.

Back off Boogaloo
I said
back off Boogaloo.
You think you're groove
standing there in your wallpaper shoes
and your socks that match your eyes.

Back off Boogaloo
I said
back off Boogaloo.
Come on
back off Boogaloo.


Thank you Ringo Starr.

As for you Carla, take a chill pill.:eyes:

[carla]

53. Sequoia,

deary, anyone who would quote a Ringo Starr lyric to debate religion is hardly worthy of a response.
However, suggesting I need to take a chill pill does warrant a response.
Religion is a highly irrational response to a world full of horrible events. It does not help to lie to oneself about the nature of reality. Religion is just such a lie and it is a toxic salve as well.
The killing of a little boy is a human tragedy that should require a response that addresses the criminal act in some constructive fashion. The silliness of wishing that an imaginary being, ie; god, should help the grieving family is hardly a worthwhile response. It is a salve that hides the very evil that humans do to each other behind a cloak of irresponsibility. God has nothing to do with this situation. God doesn't exist; that is my point of view and it is born out in the very act you suggest my response is somehow an innappropriate reaction to. The family will not be helped by god anymore than the murdered child was helped by this imaginary being. To wish them solace or peace of mind is perhaps more appropriate than to wish them god's help...To address the issue itself, perhaps the parents of this world could pay more attention to their children and in thus manner deny predators the opportunity to abuse and kill these innocent children.
Take your boogaloo and your silly response and climb back into your self-delusions. I prefer to engage the world and address the evil we do. You prefer to pawn it off as an act of god? Pity you.

[Sequoia]

55. Pity you too.

Some people find solace in their beliefs. Don't always blame the parents, the states and the nation need stronger laws for these fiends, like never letting them out of jail. There is NO CURE for this that can be treated with pills, or finding God. I guess if a mother's son died in Iraq by a war that is just as much of a child molestor you'd blame her for it too.

[Dave From Canada]

62. Why is this a debate of religion? Tragically, a boy was killed, and

somehow this turns into a religion bashing party. WTF?

Try and show a little compassion, and save your lecture on how you know what exists and doesn't exist for another day, all-knowing and all-seeing expert.

[Trajan]

63. As a long time and VERY dedicated Atheist ...

I am taken aback that someone would bring this kind of argument to a Wake ....

The sadness of a child's life being stolen, in such a horrible way, FAR outweighs any 'right' you possess to defend your atheistic position, here, while good people commiserate and regret such a cruel fate for a young boy ...

There is a forum for arguing against Theism, and this ISNT it ....

Atheists generally adhere to a humanistic position, one that accepts sympathies and nurtures understanding .... Where is your understanding ? ... Your compassion ? ...

Showing us the back of your hand in a moment like this says more about you personally than it illuminates the issues of a godly omnipotence .... Who cares about gods when human beings are bringing mean peripheral issues into such an awful circumstance ?

Human ugliness is all too real ....

[buddysmellgood]

64. I agree.

[carla]

66. Whatever...

you know nothing of my personality. Explain how my position is not sympathetic or humanistic or avoid the insults to my character.

[Trajan]

69. Your words speak for themselves .....

Mine spoke for themselves ....

Your personality is on display here, like it or not ....

Nuff said ....

[Carni]

76. Really tasteless posts by you

Your comments are turning my stomach.

You don't need to go on a thread about a murdered child and turn it into a religious debate because someone says "God help the family"

What the hell is wrong with you?

[Dave From Canada]

71. Very well said. : )

[Seldona]

50. That is what I never got.

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and is everywhere at once, didn't 'he' essentially WATCH this happen to this little boy? Wasn't 'he' IN the grave with that poor little girl when she was buried alive? With less than a THOUGHT 'he' could have stopped both from happening. What kind of 'father' is this?

All the while I was going through a christian school asking this question did anyone even attempt to answer it. One of the main reasons I stopped buying what they were selling. I am not being facetious, I seriously wanted an answer.

[qwlauren35]

80. I can answer - not sure you'll like it.

The characteristics that you ascribe to God are part of Christian doctrine, but there is nowhere in the doctrine where it says that God shall *always* intervene in human affairs, much as one might wish. Because this seems paradoxical to some, there is the phrase "God works in mysterious ways." Others simply accept that God does not always intervene, or that the ways that God may intervene may not be direct or apparent to anyone.

If the family believes that their child is in heaven, the thought is probably comforting. I truly hope that they can find some comfort somewhere to help them get through this ghastly reality.

I went to a funeral once, and the belief that a soul has been embraced by angels does seem to give comfort to those with strong Christian beliefs. It's truly beautiful imagery if you think about it.

The alternative, to have no beliefs, no answers, and just pain, would be too much for some people. Even the pragmatic response of knowing that the poor child is dead and can no longer suffer doesn't give much comfort either.

I hope that helps. But truly, if you haven't embraced the concept of God, it's probably unfathomable to be able to find comfort in much of anything when something of this magnitude happens.

[SKKY]

89. God works in mysterious ways my friend....

:sarcasm: I don't get it either, and it's a load of bunk if you ask me, but that's what my bible-thumping Aunt just told me.

This reminds me of an old Depeche Mode Song:

"I don't want to start any Blasphemous Rumor,
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor.
And when I die, I expect to find him laughing."

[femmedem]

65. I am an atheist, too. However.,...

When someone's expressing their feelings about a young boy's death, it's unnecessarily callous to jump on their religious beliefs.

Actually, I don't ever, ever try to talk anyone out of their religious beliefs. IMO, that's just as intrusive as proselytizing. But if you feel differently, why not start your own thread and see what discussion ensues.

[Skittles]

68. it is necessary to point out hypocrisy and illogic

it is

[Raskolnik]

82. What the hell is wrong with you?

Someone can't offer a sincere expression of condolence without you jumping on your high horse?

[tkmorris]

7. That logic...

When applied to any other social problem, is revealed to be absurd.

Knee jerk reactionism is satisfyingly easy, but it always the wrong answer.

[Demonaut]

9. as it should with most but child molesters deserve nothing less

murders can be committed in a moment of passion

[liberalnurse]

10. Nothing knee jerk here for me.

I believe I am indeed being quite fair and realistic. If you want my knee jerk reaction....Save money and taken them out back and shoot them.:smoke:

[The Stranger]

52. Easy there on the reactionary vigilante shit.

Due process is accorded everyone. I don't think you want someone taking you out back and murdering you. No one is above or below the law.

[DiverDave]

75. Once again we see that children mean NOTHING.

Sure, molest a child, scald him, DROWN your whole family...it's O.K., she just has post partum depression.
Now the murderer will go to a camp, like that killer in Texas did...and the children are STILL dead.
Fuck her!
You molest or kill a child you should fry...course, you will tell me that the perp has rights.
Kids are throw away objects, the courts remind us of it all the time.

Oh, before you get on your high horse, I was molested as a child, and 45 years later I STILL have problems.
I got a life sentence, the molester got counseling.

[qwlauren35]

81. That is my fervent wish.

That someone who is totally crazy and has nothing to lose, would take it upon him or herself to put these folks out of OUR misery.

[KingFlorez]

15. This is about people's safety

Life in prison for crimes like this is the only answer for public safety.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

16. So, stealing a child's innocence isn't that big of a deal...

and we should let them have some freedom again, even though, more than likely the kid will deal with what the asshole did the rest of his/her life? Yeah, that sounds right. :eyes:

[Canuckistanian]

23. Ordinary justice doesn't seem to deal with this problem.

So, maybe there needs to be some "extraordinary justice". And no, I'm not talking about execution.

Maybe there needs to be some sort of communities set up to house these people.

Where they can be kept away from children, yet not bounced from jail cell to Main street.

And wait for a cure or some sort of therapy.

Ordinary law enforcement simply can't deal with this.

[ShockediSay]

21. Child molesters generally defy logic; rarely rehabilitated (if ever) and

themselves a victim of child abuse at an early age. What to do? Take them out of general society somehow; increase maximum terms of incarceration; whatever.

[treestar]

51. But is there real proof most of them commit the crimes again

or that they always end up committing murder?

Even if the recidivist rate is 50%, the other 50% don't deserve the punishment - it is a tough call.

[ProudDad]

59. Which ones are you talking about?

The recidivism rate for some classes is lower than any other offense. The recidivism rate for the rare predators is rather high.

Of course, this is in a system of "justice" that provides demonization, incarceration and torture instead of any therapy, restitution or rehabilitation.

Get acquainted with FACTS about this issue and be part of the solution.

Here's a good place to start...

"The abuse of a child by a sexual offender is a despicable crime, for which every parent and law enforcement officer ought to be on the alert.

Children, the most vulnerable members of society, depend on the care and wisdom of adults to protect them. It's because of that responsibility that so many state and local governments have been tightening laws relating to child molestation.

But as they go about drawing their security circles around children, these governments need to watch that they don't overreact:"

<clip>

"It's also important to remember that the rate of a repeat offense by a convicted child molester is low. "Sex offenders as a group have a relatively low recidivism rate. In fact, they have a lower recidivism rate than most other offenders," says John Q. La Fond, author of a new book, "Preventing Sexual Violence."

An extensive study by the Department of Justice published in 2003 shows a recidivism rate for child molesters of just 3.3 percent in the first three years. In almost half of the original offenses, the victim was the prisoner's relative."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0614/p08s02-comv.html

[itcfish]

34. Any Adult Who Hurts a Child

Should be "knee jerked" into the Gas Chamber. Sorry. I am usually against capital punishment but I make an exception when it comes to anyone hurting a child. Period!

[ProudDad]

58. You'd have to keep the ovens working

all day and all night then...

"During the past 3 years, the rate of victimization and the number of victims have been decreasing. An estimated 872,000 children were determined to be victims of child abuse or neglect for 2004. The rate of victimization per 1,000 children in the national population has dropped from 12.5 children in 2001 to 11.9 children in 2004."

That's about 1.19 percent of children or about 6 million adults to gas. Interesting number 6 million...

[qwlauren35]

83. I wonder at those numbers.

Neglect is a nebulous term. Sometimes neglect is just plain stupidity. Like the kids who get locked in a car. And sometimes, it's a lose-lose situation, like someone who has to go to work to make ends meet, but has no baby-sitter.

I don't think gas makes sense for those people.

But I think the rise in child abuse numbers always brings me back to the idea that an abortion might have been wise to begin with.

[MUAD_DIB]

37. This is not any other social problem. It is a specific one.

It is a tough question. What do you do with pedophiles, predators and child rapist/murderers once their time has been served?

Do you drop them back into society, where they may be tempted again, or do you find a place for them to live out the rest of their days? Does chemical castration take away their urges completely?

To keep them in prison raises the chance of their own murder. To release them for "time served" raises the chance that they will take another innocent.

[hedgehog]

47. You've conflated two separate problems

With care, making certain the law doesn't apply to an 18 year old guilty of statutory rape of a 16 year old, why not condemn child rapists to life? Perhaps this is possible and proper, provided that rules of evidence ensure that innocent people aren't condemned.

Second problem; ensuring the safety of all prisoners is our duty. If we incarcerate people, we are responsible for their safety regardless of the crime.

[carla]

40. I agree that they should be put away

for a long time. They need intensive rehabilitation with slow supervised reintroduction into society. But given the lack of funds, that won't happen. Locking them up is not a bad alternative. Child molesters do not heal themselves and are notorious repeaters with each instance escalating further.

[ProudDad]

60. Do you have a link

for that assertion?

[liberal renegade]

92. they don't deserve rehabilitation and should be put out of

their fucking misery.... Child molesters and child killers don't deserve a second chance. They can't be rehabilitated and like a rabid dog, they should be put down... I'm sure you atheist wouldn't have a problem flipping the switch...

[ProudDad]

57. Self Delete

The hell with it...

[closeupready]

4. :mad: :mad: :sad: :mad:

:(

[BootinUp]

5. They have a suspect I guess.

He's in deep shit. :mad:

[peace13]

6. That is so sad.

The children always pay the price. If there is a god may this little guy be safe in her arms tonight.

[carla]

38. If there is a god

may she reverse time and stop this crime. I think this child would have preferred being safe in his mother's arms.

[TX-RAT]

41. Interesting

Now you question gods existence, but in post 39 you blamed it on God.

[carla]

46. read it again

I referred to 'your god' as in I do not believe in any god.

[closeupready]

8. This makes me so angry and sad.

This may be one case where it's hard for me to be anti-capital punishment. :mad:

[LisaM]

11. Child molesters have a worse time of it in prison

than if they are put to death anyway, so relax, the rest of his life will be the hell he so richly deserves.

[Centered]

22. Oh so true...

and they will be waiting for them to arrive....

[anitar1]

27. Child molesters in Calif are not in the general

population. they would be killed prett quickly. I have relatives who work in Calif system.I think most states separate them from the other prisoners.So the poor little things do not suffer in fear.

[tnlefty]

12. Does anyone have any background info. on the parents' involvment

in the abduction, as there wasn't much in the CNN article?

Such a sweet faced boy. So very sad.

[murray hill farm]

13. They found him today! I live in Brunswick where this all happened.

As you can imagine, this town is in shock and sorrow...you couldnt go anywhere today without people crying as they talked about this poor child. He lived in a trailer park near the outskirts of the town..he lived with his father..and went, after school to his grandmothers house..who also lived in the same trailer park..to wait for his father to get home from work. The scum that abducted him and killed him lived in the same trailer park. A 40 something son, his mother and father..and a friend...all took part in the abduction, sexual abuse and murder...and then semi burial just a ways from the trailer park. They have all been arrested and have confessed, but such evil is just not comprehendable..anywhere, really...but nothing like this has ever happened before in this very small city. This whole town is in shock and/or crying.

[AlCzervik]

14. oh my god. I have nothing, really i just want to throw up.

[closeupready]

19. Words fail me. I was hoping it wasn't something like that.

n/t

[tnlefty]

24. Thanks for the additional info., mexicoxpat.

I just can't imagine parents being involved in something like this. His picture was one of a beautiful child and that is so sad! I'm sorry that your town is in such shock and sorrow because of this, and that people in your community could even think to do such a horrendous act to a child.

I'm rambling because I just can't wrap my head around parents or a relative engaging in an act like this.

My thoughts will be with you and your community.

[murray hill farm]

25. I guess I was not too clear...

The man, his parents and friend who were arrested were in no way related to the boy who was abducted and murdered...they all lived in the same trailer park as the boy and his father and grandmother, but were not related to the family of the abducted child. But, yes...it is so horrid...it is hard for us here in Brunswick to wrap our heads around such evil...no way to comprehend it at all.

[depakid]

32. That's deliverance type shit

Gives me the creeps just looking at 'em.

[laruemtt]

33. exactly.

"Doering said authorities believe they know the motive for Christopher's death, but would not elaborate."

looking at their ugly mugs and at the beautiful little boy, i think i could make an educated guess as to their motive. :mad:
death penalty - long and slow.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/15/missing.boy/index.html

[Maine-ah]

35. .

:puke: :cry: :cry:

[Carni]

78. Damn that is just horrific!

I am so sorry for the family and the community.

I have to agree with some others here -- those sickos should fry.

[KingFlorez]

17. I hope these monsters get the death penalty

I know that opinion is not popular around here, but I don't care, this crime is so reprehensible, the death penalty is the only punishment that fits.

[angstlessk]

18. and oriley says...but he WANTED to be murdered...n/t

[Miss Chybil]

20. Another free convicted sex offender and another dead kid.

This is bullshit.

[Auntie Bush]

26. Oh man...I'm so disappointed and angry this turned out so tragically.

He was such an adorable little boy. I can't see how anyone could have hurt that little smiling 6 year old. May those people rot it hell...even though I don't believe in hell.

God bless his little soul and may he now rest in peace. I pray for his parents too. They must be inconsolable!

[hang a left]

28. I hope the poor family is OK.

People who perpetrate crimes against children are the worst type of criminal. I think that they should be castrated if they are to be re-entered into society. Also given hormones so that they don't get aroused. If they can't do that I say lock them up and throw away the key. That is of course after the family members get him alone in a warehouse for a couple of hours.

[hang a left]

29. Yeah, that's right, hang a left, the thread killer. n freakin t

[entanglement]

30. Photos of the suspects here

[hedgehog]

48. These people are SUSPECTS, innocent until proven guilty.

Granted, the odds are these are the criminals involved, but it wouldn't be the first time all the usual suspects were rounded up and the actual perpetrator went on to commit other crimes. That's one reason we insist on the defendants' lawyers being present for interrogations. Do any of these people look capable of resisting coercion to admit to something they may not have done?

[SemperEadem]

72. why do you believe they are incapable of being involved

in a little boy's abduction and murder? Just because they were probably rousted out of bed at the jail and had their mug shots taken, they look too stupid to have done something so evil?

No, there is nothing about how they look in a mug shot that leads me to believe they are not capable of that with which they have been charged.

If they are innocent, then the facts will bear that out.

[latebloomer]

67. My God!

What an absolutely horrific group of people!

[laruemtt]

31. i'm otherwise against the

death penalty, but for this one - yeah - do it. :mad:

[NashVegas]

36. Death Penalty

Just put these bastards out of their misery.

[Dulcinea]

42. My heart breaks for his family.

I cannot imagine what it must be like to lose a child.

I am fully in favor of the death penalty for scumbags who kill and/or molest children.

[LeFleur1]

43. Prosecutor

A prosecutor of child sex crimes I know believes that these people are "wired wrong". That they can never be rehabilitated.

How many of these brain shorted people have been allowed back into society after a first crime, and then tortured and killed some innocent child?

[ProudDad]

61. Thanks for the

unbiased source :sarcasm:

Our local DA was famously quoted as saying, "the only difference between the guilty and the innocent is that the innocent are a little harder to convict."

[ileus]

45. DP all the way...

[fladonkey]

56. Such a sweet....

looking little boy. This reminds me of the Lunsford case.

[Sybil_23mist]

70. That's so sad

:(

[Shine]

73. Heartbreaking news.

:cry: It's hard to comprehend why someone would hurt a child.

[outofbounds]

74. The people they have in custody will be charged with murder

The mother and father of George Edenfield are to be charged with murder. Mrs. Edenfield is to be charged with child molestation and concealing the death of another person.
The 2 Edenfield men will be charged with aggravated child molestation, murder concealing death of another person. The friend mr. Dale Murder and concealing the death of another person.

Mom Dad and Son are accused of molesting this poor child. I have never heard of such a horrific act in my life. They put Christopher in a trash bag and partially buried him in the woods about 2 miles from their home.
One news source said the mrs. Edenfield watched as her son and husband molested and raped this six year old boy.

They have confessed to the crime.

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=78336

This little community rallied behind efforts to find this little boy in a way I haven't seen since the attack on the WTC on 9 11. The was heartbroken to learn that Christopher was killed but they have supported his family and continue to do so. One fellow I talked with said " I need to get arrested today" I asked for what, his reply was anything. " Just want to go to jail today." I then realized he wanted to get to the family that did this horrible thing.

The D.A. is seeking the death penalty. I'm not generally for the death penalty but in this case, I agree.

[RebelOne]

77. They already have been charged with murder.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/11318947/detail.html

[Blue_Roses]

79. this son-of-a bitch needs to be tortured

the same way he and his fucking parents tortured this poor child. :mad: Put this bastard in general population and let them have at him.

[Earth_First]

84. From what I understand about prison (which is very little...)

general population does not tolerate child molestation very well, and individuals who are sentenced to prison usually do not have a very easy time.

As the parent of a 9-year old, I hope this son of a bitch gets what he deserves: death.

How 'progressive' of me, I know.

[KansDem]

86. I with you on this one, Earth_First

I've got a nine-year-old son as well. When I get home tonight, we're going shopping for a plant pot. He called me about an hour ago in tears because he broke the one his mommy had on the porch and felt bad (mom wasn't very happy). I told him when I got home, we'll go out a buy another one to replace the one he broke. He stopped crying and told me to hurry home. I felt bad for him: I think I may take him out for a treat afterwards.

It's amazing how a nine-year-old can bring out so many emotions.

[Bushies gotta go]

85. At what point will O'Rielly claim the boy had fun? eom

[piedmont]

87. According to the local paper, the monsters moved to the trailer park because of a new law...

The son was barred by the new GA law from living in their old home because it was too close to a daycare. They then moved to the trailer park, right across the road from the boy's grandmother's house.
Oh I hope they suffer.

[outofbounds]

88. New Ga law

states that no sex offender can live within 1000 feet of any place where children congregate. Bus stops, play grounds, school yards etc. One person living in the park said Edenfield used to sit on his porch and watch the children getting off the school bus and walk to their homes. He said Edenfield was weird in that he just watched them like that. If I'm not mistaken Edenfield was arrested the day after the abduction for probation violation for living there. To little to late. There were 3 registered sex offenders living in that trailer park. The bus stop is less than 1000 feet from his parents home. Sick family.:puke:

On edit, the child was buried today.

[piedmont]

90. So they moved away from the playground but were still violating the law?

I'm not a big fan of the new law-- it's not easy to enforce, and I don't see how it would do much good. It just makes these people move out into rural areas, where they're further away from prying eyes and come into contact with law enforcement less often.

[outofbounds]

91. When they moved away from

the playground and into the trailer park they were in violation because the school bus stopped within 1000 ft of their home. Its pretty hard to live in this town and not be near a school bus stop or playground. If I understand it right the son moved in with his parents at the trailer park. It seems like the probation officer should have been aware of his location, I guess Edenfield didn't tell the P O the truth about where he was living.