Ethicist: NAE torture declaration 'irrational' AKA Baptists for Torture

[triguy46]

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=25190

“I would argue that we cannot condone torture by codifying a list of exceptional situations in which techniques of torture might be legitimately used,” Mohler wrote. “At the same time, I would also argue that we cannot deny that there could exist circumstances in which such uses of torture might be made necessary.”

Snip

"Heimbach told Baptist Press that evangelicals should support government application of coercive force to non-cooperating prisoners as long as those methods are limited to just war boundaries."

Ah yes, coming back to the sinner's fold of 'moral relativism.' Long the favorite criticism of the fundies against "libruls" the idea that morality is a convenience, they themselves land fully in the relativism camp: If its them bad guys, torture is OK with Baptists.

This long screed explains the Southern Baptist position on why it won't participated in the anti torture movement, an explaination that is torturous itself, relying on the argument that the document are unclear or could be stated better. so therefore, we stand fully behind torture when it is against people we do not like.

Who would Jesus torture? By their acceptance of "circumstances" they open the door for our troops to be dealt with in the same manner. I'm getting ill...

[kestrel91316]

1. Yeah. 'Cause Jesus would have really approved of torturing

people.........

[regnaD kciN]

2. Who cares if it's "irrational"...

...the obvious point is, it's f*ck*ng anti-Christian!!! :argh:

[TygrBright]

3. Hey. They have Biblical authority for this!

It's right there in Exceptions, Chapter Five, Verses 6-11:

"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, EXCEPT for scummy liberals and Mooslim terra-ists. Blessed are the peacemakers, EXCEPT for those treasonous reptiles who make peace with Enemies of That Blessed State Which Shall Come To Be Called Amurka. Feed thou the hungry, and comfort the bereft, EXCEPT those abandoned evil-doers who want to be free to love whomever I shall imbue within them the impulse to love, if I then imbue them with the impulse to love them of their own gender. Give hospitality unto the stranger within your gates, EXCEPT those illegal brown immigrants who do vilely taketh thy grueling, low-paying jobs wherein the employers treateth them like sewage. Judge not, lest ye be judged, EXCEPT those colossal poltroons who disputeth thy political opinions. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven EXCEPT those rich men who sitteth on the board of Kellogg, Brown and Root, Exxon-Mobil, Dupont Chemicals, Pfizer Pharmaceuticals and any large insurance corporation."

See? Y'all just aren't reading the right PART of the Bible.

explicatorially,
Bright

[w4rma]

4. nice. (nt)

[carla]

6. Actually, there is a passage

John 15:6, in which jesus is "quoted" as saying 'If a man abide not in me...cast them into the fire, and they are burned.' Edited for brevity, but the suggestion is that the "mythssia" advocates torture of unbelievers. Unbelievers, enemies, six of one, half a dozen of the other?

[regnaD kciN]

7. Edited to within an inch of its life, I'd say...

The complete verse, in the standard NRSV translation, reads as follows:

Whoever does not abide in me is thrown away like a branch and withers; such branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

In other words, it's referring to the eternal destiny of those who do not follow Christ. Whether it's to be thought of literally in terms of hellfire and brimstone, or symbolically in terms of one becoming useless to do good and unable to perceive the presence of God, what it certainly cannot be stretched to mean is that believers are to enact judgment against unbelievers.

[donheld]

5. In as much as you've done it unto the least of these

You've done it unto me - Jesus