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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:21 AM
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Mugabe in fear of coup plot
AMID mounting signs of social unrest, the former head of Zimbabwe’s army has embarked on a charm offensive among foreign ambassadors in Harare, convincing President Robert Mugabe that he is plotting a coup.

Solomon Mujuru, whose wife Joice is vice-president, has met the British, French and US ambassadors, provoking fury from Mugabe, who now believes that leading players in his own Zanu-PF party are scheming to overthrow him.

In an unprecedented attack on senior party figures, Mugabe claimed last Friday that there was “an insidious dimension where ambitious leaders have been cutting deals with the British and Americans”.

He said: “The whole succession debate has given imperialism hope for reentry. Since when have the British, the Americans, been friends of Zanu-PF?”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article1530929.ece
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:25 AM
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1. The cold truth is imperialism would be an improvement right now.
It's just that bad in Zimbabwe.

I would hope that whatever replaces Mugabe's regime isn't imperialism, but that's gravy. The meat and potatoes is this distiguished thug getting out of the way. What good is he doing for anyone but himself at this point?
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:36 AM
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Like in Iraq?
I think Iraq is the evidence that no matter how bad a government is, imperial coups never solve the problem.

Stephen Kinzer wrote a abook about all American Imperial coups from Hawaii to Iraq.

He seemed to think that Panama was the only one that was justified. But I'm not convinced.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:36 AM
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2. Like in Iraq?
I think Iraq is the evidence that no matter how bad a government is, imperial coups never solve the problem.

Stephen Kinzer wrote a abook about all American Imperial coups from Hawaii to Iraq.

He seemed to think that Panama was the only one that was justified. But I'm not convinced.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:03 AM
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4. I wonder why you would call Iraq a 'coup'.
Whatever, it's not important.

What is 'the problem' in Zimbabwe, besides Mugabe? What is the problem that a coup won't solve? I'd really like to know. I really would. Because I'm hearing nothing from there except how ordinary people are suffering greatly because the government's too busy holding expensive parties instead of governing. I am not advocating a coup, especially not one that can be called "imperial," but in all seriousness, I do not know what "the problem" is in this case.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 09:55 AM
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7. The US probably won't invade Zimbabwe, but there's little difference.
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 09:56 AM by 1932
The difference between, for example, Iraq today and what Kermit Roosevelt did to Iran and Mossadegh isn't that great (and the results will be similar).

Nonetheless, you think a lot of ordinary people didn't suffer under Hussein?

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 07:19 PM
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12. Nice way to completely utterly wholly ignore the question.
Have a nice day.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 11:01 PM
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13. Thanks for explaining why the bullshit express that justified Iraq has nothing
to do with this.
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matt007 Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:39 AM
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3. I agree
that man discusts me.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:15 AM
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5. This time, I wish the coup plotters good luck. He is anti-democratic, so there is no way to remove
him through voting.
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Flanker Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 04:17 PM
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11. So you want your dictator as opposed to Mugabe?
Neo-conservatism is not dead yet it seems.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:09 AM
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6. ZWNEWS.com
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 03:12 AM by Virginian

Some people stood in line for three days to cast a vote against Mugabe in his last election.

People are starving in Zim, a country that was once the breadbasket of Africa.

Currency has just been revised because it took a suitcase full of money to buy a loaf of bread. Inflation had made the Zim dollar practically worthless.

We aren't as bad off here as the people of Zim are, but if Bush isn't checked, we could be.

…as he hatches survival plan
From The Zimbabwe Independent, 16 March,
Dumisani Muleya

Details of President Robert Mugabe’s latest plan for joint presidential and parliamentary elections next year emerged this week after it became clear he has been defeated over his unpopular 2010 poll proposal. Sources said Mugabe was now determined to go for combined elections on or before March next year as part of his new survival strategy following the collapse of his 2010 plan that was blocked by Zanu PF heavyweights led by politburo member, retired army commander General Solomon Mujuru. Mugabe three weeks ago said in a ZBC interview Mujuru’s wife, Vice-President Joice Mujuru, had lost the plot by joining forces with people who want to oust him. He said Mujuru had dashed her prospects to take over from him. This angered the Mujuru faction, which has threatened to fight back with a vengeance, reports say. The situation is likely to get more explosive after Mugabe said he wants to cling to power for another five years.


The sources said Mujuru was so upset by Mugabe’s remarks that she contemplated resigning but her husband stopped her as he wants to fight it out. The mood in the Mujuru camp is one of defiance, even though insiders say they failed to confront Mugabe at last week’s politburo meeting. The sources said Mugabe was forging ahead with his new plan in the midst of intensifying Zanu PF infighting. (more at www.zwnews.com)



Mugabe arms police as opposition prepares ‘final push’ to oust him
Times (UK)
Date posted:Sat 17-Mar-2007
Date published:Sat 17-Mar-2007


"Mutambara will not stand against Tsvangirai; Tsvangirai will not stand against Mutambara"

Jan Raath in Harare

President Mugabe ordered police to be deployed “fully armed” yesterday to deal forcefully with unrest in Harare. He also threatened to expel Western diplomats who showed support for the opposition Movement for Democratic Change. Mr Mugabe, whose comments were reported on state radio, heightened tension at the end of a week in which police dealt brutally with protests against his regime, inflicting serious injuries on Morgan Tsvangirai, the MDC leader. It was an open challenge to opposition politicians who earlier agreed to set aside 18 months of infighting, that left their parties bitterly divided, to challenge Mr Mugabe. Political and civil leaders, some of whom bore the scars of savage beatings inflicted by the President’s security forces, stood together on a podium to mark what they said was “the final stage of the final push” to force him out of office. “Sunday was the demonstration of commitment to working together; there is no better place to demonstrate unity than in the battlefield,” said Arthur Mutambara, the leader of a breakaway faction of the MDC. (more at www.zwnews.com)



Visit www.zwnews.com - the world's leading website on Zimbabwe
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 01:34 PM
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8. If there is one, I hope it's anti-imperialist and progressive.
I know there are many patriotic Zimbabweans who still support ZANU-PF and oppose the pro-British MDC (some minority currents in MDC are not bad), and they are in the military. They should aim to restore the progressive nature of the country.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:02 PM
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9. Good luck with that one.
It's Africa we're talking about here.
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Truthseeker013 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:26 PM
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10. Mugabe in fear of coup
The sooner, the better. Though what fills the vaccum of power could be infinitely worse, it might be the start of something better.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 12:13 PM
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14. The blame
the Europeans that exploited,raped,and stole the wealth of that country,left without training replacement to run and rule the country.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 12:26 PM
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15. Mugabe is to blame for Zimbabwe's current crisis
period.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 12:39 PM
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16. Yep, Mugabe has totally driven the country into the group,,,
...well beyond anything that was in place when he took over.

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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 12:54 PM
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17. I'm curious
as to what peeps here make of the differences between Mugabe and other dictators or populist leaders?

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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 07:12 PM
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18. Mugabe is no different than some of the worst dictators.
He is clearly destroying the country economically and politically, and has no regards for human rights. I hope that bastard is ousted or croaks - the country will be much better off without him.
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