Bush: We can win in Iraq

[sabra]

Source: WashTimes

Bush: We can win in Iraq

President Bush this morning said the U.S. can still win in Iraq, despite severe challenges, in a short speech marking the fourth anniversary of the conflict's beginning.



Read more: http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070319-123459-6739r.htm

[BOSSHOG]

1. Why did he waste our time with that speech?

He said absolutely nothing new. Took no questions. Worthless. He should at least go lay a wreath somewhere to show how much he cares about the sacrifice of others.

[radfringe]

32. It's a re-run of the same speech

standard STAY-THE-COURSE speech with slight modifications. Somebody in the WH is good at cut and paste

[maddezmom]

2. has he defined what "Win" means yet?

I'm sure it has something to do with the Iraq Carbon Law that seems to be stalled. :eyes: Once that passes(could be a long time), I'll bet we see our troops being hailed as victorious and coming home.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. I think $3 trillion to cronies is a win.

Anything less is defeat.

[carla]

36. The Piece of Tainted Ugly Shit /potus has defined losing as

"We will only lose, if we leave...":crazy:

[hadrons]

3. Bush: We CAN win in Iraq ... but you said we WERE winning???

so now were losing President Loser

[Felix Mala]

4. Just keep pouring in more soldiers and hundreds of billions of dollars

for the next 20 years...

It's hard work... It's going to take a long time...

Mr. President,

Don't you think the American people, at long last, need the facts? Deserve the facts? Have you got any facts, Mr. President?

[jobycom]

5. Damn it, somebody buy him a game of checkers

challenge him to a match in Iraq, and let him win, so we can get the Hell out of there.

[Aviation Pro]

6. Who's "we" psychopath?

...

[carla]

48. Actually,

"we" are the members of the Bush 'administration', namely, *, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez and the rest of the scum that support this murderous fiasco. So maybe "the enemy" will aim at them...?

[theoldman]

7. A win definitely has to be defined in the situation with Iraq.

To me a win would be like with Germany and Japan at the end of WWII. This will never happen because we are at war with over a billion Muslims. We will never defeat them by fighting a war in Iraq or Afghanistan. None of our politicians, either Republican or Democrat, appears to acknowledge this fact.

[carla]

47. I am NOT at war

with anyone, certainly not with 1 billion Muslims. I guess you think you are. Be advised that those who seek violence tend to receive it. Peace.

[bif]

8. He's totally delusional

He ought to lay off the Jim Beam for a while.

[saigon68]

45. It's lines of Columbian Coke

He's into now

[fryguy]

9. we CAN win, but not through YOUR "strategery" or "leadership"

eom

[BigDDem]

10. We're turning the corner....

just 6 more months.

Lather
Rinse
Repeat

[stillcool]

11. how sad and pathetic... n/t

[partylessinOhio]

12. Win what? * interrupted "The View" with his nonsense. I flipped to

the FoodNetwork and saw Tyler Florence cook a delicious looking French Ultimate Bistro of

French Onion Soup

New York Strip Steak with Brandied Mushrooms and Fresh Thyme

Potatoes Gratin

I refuse to waste my time listening to anymore BushLies.

[bamacrat]

13. By win he means make shit worse and/or increase troops

[Whoa_Nelly]

14. We can win? And what's the golden ring prize, Mr. Decider??? n/t

[jimshoes]

28. Really, just what is the payoff for winning?

$4.00, $5.00, $6.00 gas? And who decides when we won? This is nothing but a deadly shell game where a few morally bereft crooks get wealthy beyond greed.

[maxsolomon]

15. Max Solomon: we've already LOST in iraq.

we're letting our soldiers die to save face. just like vietnam.

JUST.
LIKE.
VIETNAM.

[Bragi]

16. Was there a laugh track with that speech? ?NT

[krispos42]

17. Of course we can win in Iraq. Here's how.

Draft about 2 million people, which would enable us to keep about 800,000 troops in Iraq for the next decade.

Outlaw war profiteering, then force American companies to tool up assembly lines to supply those 2 million troops. We need rifles, pistols, Humvees, Bradleys, M113s, body armor, thermal sights, ammunition, Predator drones, Blackhawk helicopters, Apache gunships, Mark 19 grenade launchers, food, water, uniforms, helmets, radios, boots, machine guns, and many many other things. In vast quantities. And we need to train and hire people to work in those new assembly lines.

We need to return to the tax structure of the 1960s, where the top marginal rate was 75%, to pay for all this stuff.

After we have all this stuff, we have to move into Iraq in force and seal off, with gunships and drones and such, all of the borders. Iraq must be isolated from radical Shiite and Sunni Muslim sects and political influence.

Then, we must take over all law-enforcement duties of all cities in the country. Training camps for the new Iraqi army and police forces must be made in isolated regions of the country. The trainees must be isolated from family and friends and not allowed to leave the bases until their training is complete and unified, combined, multi-ethinic battalions are formed into cohesive fighting units, loyal to each other and the Nation of Iraq.

And our soldiers must police the country until they do. They have to investigate everything from muggings to marketplace bombings, fighing random street crime, oraganized-crime families, sectarian militias, and partisan insurgents that hate foreign occupiers.

While our soldiers are doing that, we must use local Iraqi labor and materials to rebuild their infrastructure. Electrical grid, telephone grid, cable TV and internet grid, water and sewage lines, critical manufacturing facilities like steel forges and concrete plants, rebuild schools, roads, parks, and housing, and rebuild the medical centers.

Then we need to have enough peace and stability so that the 2 million middle-class Iraqis that fled the country, the teachers and doctors and businessmen and government workers, will come back to manage those projects, treat the ill, and teach the children.

And we have to let the Iraqis keep the profits from their own oil so they can buy all the stuff to rebuild.






So, now that you know what in required in 'winning in Iraq', who thinks we should give Bush the necessary resources? The material, financial, and human resources I outlined above?

Who thinks Bush can pull it off even if he had the necessary resources to do it?

[MGKrebs]

20. That's a really good post.

Thanks.

[donco6]

30. Ha! And it's all true.

Good post. And completely accurate. When the Repugs ask if we have the "will to win" someone should shove this in their face, because this is what it would take.

[sakabatou]

18. And the plan is...?

Oh that's right, you're gonna leave it up to the next prez to figure it out...

[underpants]

19. Come on baby just one more hit I swear it will be the last please baby I NEED IT

SMACKS ARM

Same thing.

[Miss Chybil]

21. Bush: Iraq pullout could spill 'contagion of violence'

Source: CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Four years after President Bush ordered U.S.-led forces to attack Iraq, the president warned Monday that a "contagion of violence" could "engulf the region" if U.S. troops pull out too soon.

"There's been good progress," Bush said during brief remarks at the White House. "There's a lot more work to be done, and Iraq's leaders must continue to work to reach the benchmarks they have set forward."

U.S. and Iraqi forces have set up joint security stations throughout Baghdad, carried out "aggressive operations" against Sunni and Shiite extremists and uncovered large weapons caches, Bush said. (Watch Bush detail progress in Iraq, and why American troops need more time there )

At dawn in Iraq on March 20, 2003, the United States and its coalition partners unleashed missiles and bombs on Iraqi targets, including a failed "decapitation attack" aimed at Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

more...

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/19/iraq.main/index.html

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Pulling out would spill the contagion of violence? That sounds like something a boy would say on prom night...

[villager]

22. We have seen the "contagion," and its name is "Bush"

n/t

[jimshoes]

23. Get yer red hot fear here!

They're fear peddlers. They go out of their way to push the scary scenarios on the cowering merkins.

[Cha]

24. No, ya can't! Wanna know why?

Cause, you murdering bozo, you started on lies and nothing..not a win, nothing good will come of it until we get the hell out.

And, why isn't that motherfucker up for Impeachment yet?

[VegasWolf]

26. Heh, heh! We turned another one of dem kerners! nt

[Thor_MN]

27. No, Trelane.

Awwww, I was winnin', you saw, I was winnin'. I was a general, I was winnin'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Squire_of_Gothos

[LynnTheDem]

29. Win what? Their oil?

Good luck with that, bush.

[Art_from_Ark]

31. Didn't we already win?

I seem to remember some event back in May 2003 that involved "Mission Accomplished", an aircraft carrier, and a flight suit with a codpiece. Someone help me out here :freak:

[krispos42]

33. No no no, that was the pre-win. We have to turn a lot of corners, you see

It's called a tetracondakaidigon, or a 42-sided polygon. That's how many corners I guesstimate we'll have to turn to get 'Victory in Iraq'.

What are we at? We've turned, what, 8, 9 corners?

Oh, and it wasn't a codpiece. It was a vacuum testicle decending device. He wears it all the time, but it was working overtime because his 'little friends' had climbed unusually high to safety during the decent onto the carrier. You could see the battery pack during the Bush/Kerry debate back in '04. He needed the extended battery pack to not run screaming from Kerry's intellect.

[HuffleClaw]

34. hmmmmm. HOW many lies in that little speech?

"Good morning. Four years ago today, coalition forces launched Operation Iraqi Freedom to remove Saddam Hussein from power. They did so to eliminate the threat his regime posed to the Middle East and to the world(1). Coalition forces carried out that mission with great courage and skill. Today the world is rid of Saddam Hussein and a tyrant has been held to account for his crimes by his own people(2)."
Nearly 12 million Iraqis have voted in free elections(3) under a democratic constitution that they wrote for themselves(4). And their democratic leaders are now working to build a free society that upholds the rule of law, that respects the rights of its people, that provides them security(5) and is an ally in the war on terror.

-- ok, thats 5 outright lies in the first two paragraphs. he then goes on to dictate to congress about the 'emergency funding bill' and cutely tie iraq to 911. the funniest part though was the fact that the speech was all of ten minutes long and he could barely finish one sentence without stumbling. he hasn't sounded that bad in ages. really, it was wretched. my guess is the DOJ scandal is really hitting home with him and his pals.

[w4rma]

35. "Win" what? And what is Bush's definition of "win"? (nt)

[Seabiscuit]

37. He will never define it. That's the point. He knows 'Murikans like to be "winners"

And for at least 35%, even if they don't know what they're supposed to be "winning". It's Rovian in the extreme, but it works for that 35%. After almost 62 years on this planet I am simply aghast at how incredibly STUPID so many millions of Americans are. I heard someone comment on Air America this morning that he didn't even look like he believed anything he was saying in that speech. That he looked like he was even boring himself to death.

[opihimoimoi]

38. uuuuuhh, Bushies Score Card don't look so good after 6 years in office...

its loaded with F's

His Credibility is kaput, ruined, zero, nai, puka, empty, destroyed.....

[HughBeaumont]

39. Can you really "win" something that's not even remotely defined?

This sock puppet is just biding time until 1.20.09. Then he can pass this disaster on to the next selected sock puppet. He'll be free for ghost-writers to pen his memoirs, and his paid-for historians can bullshit his two-term "legacy" the way they did Saint Ronald's.

I hope American voters who made this shameful BLIGHT on our country's history a two-term president are proud of themselves. Really. I hope they are.

[Magleetis]

40. Nope

Ain't gonna happen.

[sellitman]

41. Hey chucklenuts: Define win?

:sarcasm:

[yellowcanine]

42. And I COULD win the lottery. It is theoretically possible. I like my chances better than our

chances of winning in Iraq, even though I rarely play the lottery.

[brentspeak]

43. "We", as in Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.

[LibertyorDeath]

44. Win What.............

WTF will we win exactly......

[PATRICK]

46. Alternative to venting about Gonzo

They probably talked him into diverting and venting on his favorite topic to let some steam out. Told him
it could help divert away from the seriousness of the DOJ scandals and get people challenged about iraq.

Needless to say we have RW talking points calling the majority of Americans in effect gutless cowards. No need to reveal what they think about the sane, truly courageous members of the human race. I always believed they and especially Bush hated the American people for electing and sticking by Clinton. For the the little sh*t Bush I am sure he holds a spiteful grudge against the people that is personal and angry at being so low in character brains and values compared to most Americans.

George Bush, idiot, coward, villain of the Century after Uncle Dick.

[rodeodance]

49. Bush Implores Nation, Congress To Show 'Courage and Resolve'

Source: WPost (p. A01)



Bush Implores Nation, Congress To Show 'Courage and Resolve'

By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 20, 2007; Page A01

President Bush asked skeptical Americans for additional patience as the Iraq war entered its fifth year yesterday, saying that the United States can be victorious, but "only if we have the courage and resolve to see it through."

In a brief address to the nation four years after he ordered U.S. forces to invade Iraq, Bush also warned the Democratic-led Congress not to pass a measure scheduled for a vote in the House this week that would require troops to withdraw from the conflict.......


"It can be tempting to look at the challenges in Iraq and conclude our best option is to pack up and go home," Bush said in an eight-minute speech from the Roosevelt Room in the White House. "That may be satisfying in the short run, but I believe the consequences for American security would be devastating."

Having cost the lives of 3,210 U.S. troops and tens of thousands of Iraqis and more than $300 billion, the war has exacted a larger toll than the White House ever predicted. The conflict has grown more unpopular as it has continued, dragging down Bush's domestic approval rating, which now hovers below 40 percent, according to several polls. Meanwhile, more than six in 10 Iraqis now say their lives are going badly, and about half say that sending additional U.S. forces to Iraq would only worsen the security situation there, according to an ABC News poll released yesterday.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031900185.html

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Seems those who are opposed to staying in Iraq-----do not have courage or resolve????

[BOSSHOG]

50. Now we know why

cowardly chickenhawks choose not to serve their country (in any capacity.)

[sutz12]

51. I got your courage and resolve,......cowboy wannabe....Bite me! nt

[Kagemusha]

52. Thanks, I needed a good laugh in the morning.

Bush calls courage and resolve what rational people call stubbornness and stupidity.

Look, it's not that I don't appreciate what he's saying. But Iraq is, for the forseeable future, REALLY MESSED UP. It's not going to be of much use to the US, and by the way, in point of fact, it's not going to be of much use to Al Qaeda either. It's that messed up. You have to look over 10 years down the line to imagine that the place would have a Taliban-like government stable enough to support foreign terror, and that's with Iran able to easily invade to thwart that since Sunni terror doesn't serve Shiite interests except in the mind of people who can't understand there are major religious differences (and besides, Iranians are majority Persian ethnicity so they're not even Arabs).

So I don't agree with him on the merits, and I get to laugh at the stupid way he makes "courage" and "resolve" sound because well, he's him.

[aquaman]

53. Hey Bush....

Fuck you.

[bdamomma]

61. like someone said on one of the other threads

* did not show too much "patience" when he illegally invaded Iraq, 5 years ago.

[Magleetis]

66. I'll second

that fuck you and add, you worthless, spoiled, never worked a day in your life, evil, lying, inarticulate, murdering asshole. You have no idea what courage and resolve mean.

[mod mom]

54. We DO show courage by standing up to his ILLEGIMATE regime despite his ending habeas corpus.

[Loge23]

55. "Don't you worry, Big Oil - we'll get that oil!"

To the idiot-in-chief and his cronies, it'll all be worth it when the oil fields are privatized.

[Solly Mack]

56. Well, at least we know Bush recycles words

[rocktivity]

57. Rocknation: Bush Implores Nation, Congress To Show 'Blind Obedience

and Gullibility So His Friends Can Continue To Skim Taxpayer Money'

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[donkeyotay]

69. I say, I say, Son, you say SKIM?

That ain't no skimmin. That giant sucking sound you hear is Merca being drained dry.

[Roland99]

58. "Courage and resolve....TO IMPEACH MY SORRY ASS!"

Is what he meant to say.

[Canuckistanian]

59. Big words from a man who lives in a bubble

A security bubble many miles in circumference.

A ideological bubble of pre-vetted news.

A political bubble of powerful intere$ts and toadies.

And an intellectual bubble that lets no new information in.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

60. And we implore him to resign.

We'll see which one happens first.

[bemildred]

62. Nation implores Bush to show compassion and resign. nt

[skooooo]

63. I thought all we were asked to do was keep shopping...

..and now this!

[BridgeTheGap]

64. The American People don't want our military in Iraq

The Iraqi people don't want our military in their country.
It's just this mouthpiece of the neo-cons and their friends in the Oil and military industrial complex that want it. We don't have democratic representation in either country!

[bif]

65. Nation implores Bush to "Get the Fuck out!"

But the coke-addled frat boy won't listen.

[Xipe Totec]

67. More insults from the AWOL Chimp

And the five times artful draft dodger Dick Cheney.

[LynnTheDem]

68. I agree!

So for George W. bUsh & his entire cabal, let's show courage and resolution and

IMPEACH.

INDICT.

IMPRISON.

[lakercub]

70. I live in Colorado Springs and work in sat com

and I have been outspoken against Bush's war from the start. That took more courage than Bush has ever shown. For a while, the war had 60 to 70 percent approval, but most of as at DU (loudly) protested Bush's war (and not just on the internets). That took more courage than Bush has ever shown.

Courage is the ability to do the right thing when it is so much easier, or profitable in this case, to do the wrong thing. Show some courage for once, Mr. President, and make a good choice. Once in 8 years is better than nothing.

[Lil Missy]

71. In otherwords, he wants to buy time to come up with another distraction for the sheeple