Nephew of the President, George P. Bush, Joins Navy Reserve

[Purveyor]

Source: Politico

March 21, 2007 06:54 PM EST

George P. Bush, a nephew of President Bush who was a hit on the campaign trail, has been accepted in the Navy Reserve as an intelligence officer and has begun the process of being commissioned for eight years of service.

Bush, 30, said in a telephone interview from his office at a real estate development firm in Fort Worth, Texas, that he was moved to join the service in part when he attended the rainy commissioning in October of the aircraft carrier named for his grandfather -- the USS George H.W. Bush.

"My grandfather's my hero, and what really sold me on the ultimate decision was having the chance to see the CVN-77 be commissioned under his name," he said. "That was pretty moving, and I had a chance to meet some Navy admirals, as well. I had a chance to talk to them briefly about the opportunity, and I was won over."

George Prescott Bush, the oldest son of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, said the death of Pat Tillman, the NFL player and Army Ranger who was killed in Afghanistan in 2004 in what was later determined to be a friendly-fire incident, "was a wake-up call for me." He said he even "looked into active duty" and had somber conversations with his wife about the possibility.

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[fooj]

1. Didn't he get busted for "stalking" an ex-girlfriend?

[Purveyor]

10. Smoking Gun has this report:

1) George P. Bush might be a hunkalicious young Republican, but he still seems a bit creepy. So TSG wasn't too surprised to learn that "P" was involved in a troubling 1994 incident described in this Metro-Dade Police Department report. On December 31, 1994, Bush showed up at 4 AM at the Miami home of a former girlfriend. He proceeded to break into the house via the woman's bedroom window, and then began arguing with his ex's father. Bush, then a Rice University student, soon fled the scene. But he returned 20 minutes later to drive his Ford Explorer across the home's front lawn, leaving wide swaths of burned grass in his wake. Young Bush avoided arrest when the victims declined to press charges. (3 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/georgep1.html

[leQ]

13. hunkalicious? is that even a word? apropo nonetheless. (eom)

[ShortnFiery]

58. And for this Major flaw of character "stalking" they're going to give him a Top Secret Clearance.

I was in Army Intelligence and my FBI background check was exhaustive albeit I graduated in the upper 5% of my R.O.T.C. class. It seemed that if a childhood friend would have accused me of mussing them up, I may have been kicked out of the Intelligence MOS. My clearance required three extra months of research because of all the foreign countries I lived in as a child as a daughter of a Combat Engineer and Military Contractor.

When I was accepted into Military Intelligence, I was PURE. In fact, I needed to glean a quick clearance (called compelling need) to finish Signals Intelligence School. Therefore, they conducted "an ultra-embarrassing interview" asking all kinds of LIFESTYLE questions. It was so trippy to a 22 year old: "Have you had sex with animals?" :wow: I'm thinking to myself, "Whoa, do people really do THAT!" :P That's how sheltered and protected I was coming out of college.

But George P Bush SCORING a coveted Intelligence MOS after his rash behavior (stalking an ex-girlfriend) in the past!?! UNSAT! I can only conclude that, like his slacker Uncle, Poppy intervened to make sure ole George P. can do the MINIMUM in order to pad his resume. :thumbsdown:

[htuttle]

84. I was denied a TS clearance because I owed money on a student loan

Although I scored very high on all the tests, experience, etc, since my student loan creditor had taken me to court on my loan debt (which was a whopping $2,200), I couldn't get the clearance I needed for the job I was signed up for.

They are VERY strict on that stuff -- unless your last name is Bush, apparently.

[ShortnFiery]

89. It's a true shame that you were not with us. There's far too much cronyism

in the Intelligence Fields, i.e., military or contracting venues.

I was blessed because one LTC within our R.O.T.C. branch took a shine to me. If I would not have gleaned his recommendation, I would have been slotted a Communications Officer. Not that being a COMMs Officer would have been less than honorable, but my situation highlights a "flaky standard" the powers that be use to select those who are trusted with Top Secret Information.

IMO, you didn't miss much though. Much of intelligence is painstakingly boring research. I loved it, but few do. Only the HUM-INT slugs do real time work. However, unlike the movies, it is *always* the ones who "engender trust" that prove to be the creme of the crop of interrogators. Interrogation is NOT torture but an interaction and repeated exchanges of information. I guess hollywood doesn't pay attention to the real world because much of it can be considered boring, i.e., development of a relationship that is built on trust cannot be fit into an hour slot. :shrug:

I fully realize that this world is far from fair, but the Political Cronyism must be put down in our Beloved Country. We must find our sense of fairness and humanity that once set us apart from the Nazis. :patriot:

I remember my late father, so full of pride, bragging how the German Soldiers would run to the American lines because they knew that they would be treated with respect. Sure, there was notable cruelty on our side ... yes, breeches. However, for the most part, we in America and our beloved Soldiers did TRY to be the Shining Beacon of Freedom for those who were oppressed.

I want to help make those values that America once held dear to return to our peoples and our legislators.

[sanskritwarrior]

96. Are you saying those of us in the military

right now are not trying to be shining beacons of freedom for the oppressed?? Because that's what it sounds like......

[ShortnFiery]

99. Of course not.

Now, I thought that you and I had come to an "agreement to disagree?"

Let's refrain from sniping at one another or kindly stay away from each other's posts?

I have done my part.

Have a good day. :hi:

[sanskritwarrior]

95. Not at all correct

I have a TS and I had some criminal stuff in my background........little bit of drugs, little bit of criminal stuff when I was a teenager. I don't know when you were in, but I was granted my TS/SCI in 1994 and still have it now. I have been reinvestigated twice now and I was recently "read-on" to Gamma.......I was Army intel as well until I reclassed, it's not as hard as you think. Hell they were taking people in 1998 with drug convictions........

I want to see "P" 's ASVAB score as I don't think he's smart enough to get intel.......But if there was no crime committed it would be hearsay and any investigator would note it as such. Nowadays they are granting SCI's to all kinds of people. I ought to know I work in an S-2 shop. I might be Combat MOS qualified, but when they see that 96B previous MOS identifier I usually get sucked up into a Battalion or Brigade S-2 shop.........

Hell I can't name names but a clearance recently was approved for a guy that beat up his ex-wife....It's not because of a shortage of people, it's because we have an abundance of slots that need SCI cleared people.......

[ShortnFiery]

101. Listen up. We have been through an tangent of this and I want no part of

your angst.

I previously informed you that I have a good 10-15 years experience on your person. I served in the early 80s and at that time, people were NOT *easily* accepted into the Military Intelligence. My husband, a retired Marine, who was also in Intelligence field can vouch for this fact that it was hard to score an Intelligence slot without an excellent record and NO brushes with the law. Sure, there may have been a few folks with many reference letters to the effect, "but they're still a good guy," that had passed with high level recommendation. But no, in the late 70s and early 80s the vast majority of people accepted into Military Intelligence had little to no experience with illicit drugs or other illegal endeavors. However, this is only in reference to The Officer Corps. If I failed to qualify that to your satisfaction, please accept my regrets.

[sanskritwarrior]

103. I apologize for not showing proper deference to

my better........... :sarcasm:

Great you have more time than me......awesome. Apparently you have less.......nevermind don't need the moderator drama.

[sanskritwarrior]

104. nevermind

n/t

[sanskritwarrior]

105. In case anyone cares how a clearance is really granted......

To obtain a Top secret, Secret or Confidential clearance, all requested information must be disclosed honestly. Falsification and felonies are two items which may cause the government to deny a clearance. Issues such as financial trouble, including insufficient funds, bankruptcy and bad check writing, illegal drug or heavy alcohol use,excessive foreign contact or unexplained affluence must all be explained and investigated thoroughly before a decision can be made and a security clearance granted or denied.

Basically, there is no one thing that will result in denial of a security clearance and there are not many instances in which a person’s clearance is denied. Clearance adjudicators use a documented guide and “formula” to determine whether or not the individual is eligible for a security clearance. In an applicant, they look for honesty, trustworthiness, character, loyalty, financial responsibility, and reliability. On cases that contain significant derogatory information, further investigation is usually required.There are, however, four criteria which will positively result in the denial of a clearance: an individual convicted of a crime and sentenced to prison for more than one year, an applicant is (currently) an illegal user of, or is addicted to, a controlled substance, the subject is mentally incompetent, or the individual has been discharged or dismissed from the armed forces under dishonorable conditions. When there is an issue with a candidate and more review needs to occur prior to granting or denying a clearance, the paperwork is forwarded to the Department of Hearing and Appeals (DOHA) for further processing. DOHA puts all the information together, provides its recommendation and then goes to the requesting government agency for a final decision. Once the decision is made, the applicant is notified. In addition, the applicant is allowed a detailed appeal process.....................


Just for the record unless you are felon or a drug ADDICT, or crazy.........you stand a good chance of getting a clearance, nevermind what some people think.

[ShortnFiery]

106. Very informative. We both could be right ... see the issue at different angles.

Yes, you are seemingly well read. However, I have not ever met a fellow intelligence officer who has been arrested. But before you jump on me, I've been out of the service since 86' and my husband retired from the Marine Corps in 2000.

Yes, that's why we have opinions. Your information is more current.

Sincerely, bravo for the education. :applause:

[Javaman]

64. "Bush avoided arrest when the victims declined to press charges"

Hmmmm, I wonder who rang them up?

[tom_paine]

102. "The victims declined to press charges"

Yes, because they knew the retribution would be terrible if they did.

As Filthy Little Nobodies, they knew they could be ruined or even killed "in an accident" and no one would ever know, hear of it, or give a shit. And the Imperial Family would walk away scot free with a smile.

I wonder if they were directly threatened, perhaps by one of the criminal ex-CIA like Charles Kane, who are on the Bush Family Payroll.

Almost certainly, for the Bush Family operates very much like a kinder and gentler version of the Gambino Crime Family.

[pagam]

2. What????

He should have joined the Marines. They are not sending any Navy reserves to Iraq, Are they?

[City Lights]

15. They're sending some, but I'm sure "P" won't be included.

A co-worker's son (he's 37) is in the Naval Reserves and he was called to active duty late last year. He reported to Great Lakes in February, and he's in Norfolk now, waiting to ship out. He's going to Baghdad as a sniper. His mom said he believes that Bush, due to the drop in support for the war, is sending a much larger number of troops to Iraq then he's said publicly in order to "clean it out." :scared:

[Sweet Pea]

38. Navy sniper?

The navy has snipers? The guy must be a SEAL then.

[City Lights]

52. She told me he was going for sniper training prior to being shipped out.

:wtf:

The only explanation that makes any sense to me is that they are so desperate for bodies that they'll take anyone available regardless of their prior training/specialty, and retrain them if necessary. :shrug:

[hang a left]

54. Naval Intelligence....

He's a spy just like his grandpa.

[Javaman]

65. Sorry, but the word intelligence and the name bush just doesn't seem to fit.

:rofl:

[marshall]

62. Spanish Interpreter?

Maybe he'll be monitoring our southern border using his Spanish language skills.

[City Lights]

63. He's going to Baghdad. eom

[sofa king]

34. No, he's going Naval intelligence. To keep the crime family in the know.

Naval intelligence is the oldest continuously running intelligence organization in the pantheon of American spy agencies.

Interestingly, Delmart Vreeland, the fellow who wrote a warning about the WTC attacks in August of 2001 from a Canadian jail cell, also claims to be ONI--if he isn't dead after being bagged by federal authorities in 2004.

[OKthatsIT]

46. no sh*t sherlock..NAVY INTEL is Shadow Military

Might a well say you're creating a fascade for the illuminati.

Those people have THE DEATH CULT waiting in the wings.

[Marrah_G]

60. Yes they are

My brother is a retired Navy officer....or at least he was retired until they recalled him after 10 years. He is in the M.E. for a year tour now. He was also a reserves commander on the east coast.

[Sweet Pea]

94. He wasn't retired then.

You cannot "retire" in the classic sense and then join the reserves.

[Rob H.]

76. There are probably a lot of Seabees there

AKA the U.S. Naval Construction Force. I imagine there are a lot of Navy medics there, too.

[Greeby]

3. Navy Reserve?

No frontline service for this unconcerned soft-headed child of priviledge :eyes:

[gratuitous]

4. Well, I'll be darned

Good for George P., I guess.

How much action do you suppose he'll see in the Navy Reserve?

[blueinindiana]

16. Z E R O !

[Xipe Totec]

20. Maybe they'll go up against the Al-Qaida Navy Reserve

And their ferocious ships of the desert:

[OKthatsIT]

47. Can't beat em, join em!

[az chela]

49. OK now that was FUNNY

It's the middle of the night and I read that and busted out laughing

[hack89]

21. Possibly a lot ..

many reservist are overseas in joint staffs. Many of the provincial reconstruction teams in Iraq and Afghanistan have Navy reservist in them

[rebel with a cause]

31. yeah,

he is doing his bit to help dad go for the WH in 2008. Jeb will run now!

[gulliver]

40. My thoughts exactly.

Navy. Reserve. I guess that's the new National Guard now that the National Guard is a ticket to Iraq.

[demo dutch]

67. Lots of political aspirations, and laying foundation for future WH run. That's why!

He campaigned heavily for uncle W for the hispanic vote

[William769]

5. A "intelligence officer ".

:rofl:

[kestrel91316]

18. Does that mean he gets to be one of the torturers?

I think it would suit. Given the family he comes from and all.......

[NV Whino]

24. Don't you have to exhibit some intelligence

to be an intelligence officer?

[hang a left]

55. An nt

[Purveyor]

6. George P. Bush, whose family nickname is rumored to be "45"...now excuse me while I puke.

:puke:

[MaineDem]

7. He's being groomed you know

Someday he'll take over his uncle's office at 1600.

Or so they think.

[fidgeting wildly]

30. That's the feeling I get.

George P. is padding his resume for a future presidency. Fortunately for the world, the Bush name will be an obstacle that not even "hunkalicious" can overcome. Anyway, joining up with a branch of the service that is highly unlikely to see action in Iraq is pretty transparent. It's not much different from the shrub "defending" Texas during the Vietnam War. We'll just have to hope that 12 years in the future (give or take 4 or 8), people will remember the Iraq war and the pain inflicted by the Bush family.

[hang a left]

56. Naval Intelligence....

quite different you know.

No doubt he is being groomed. Thankfully this last 6 years and the coming 2 will kill any future presidency for the lot of them.

[demo dutch]

69. Don't be naive. Hispanics love the guy. I've seen him in action,

he's a smart kid and quite charming. With the help of Jeb they'll manage to pull the wool over peoples eyes!

[ShortnFiery]

78. I give the Latinos (most people in Mexico and Central America) do not like "Hispanic" label

They are very intuitive. Having had the pleasure of enjoying the friendship of both natives of Mexico and Panama, I can say with confidence, they are "nobody's fool."

George P. will squander the family fortune as he fades into obscurity.

God Bless America and the beautiful and hard working Latinos who choose to become citizens of America.

I submit, like the People of Color (vote 10% for Republicans), the Latinos KNOW "insincerity" when the see it. :thumbsup:

[demo dutch]

68. Absolutely! Campaigned heavily for uncle W for the hispanic vote and

has lots of political aspirations. This is all done to prep the resume with a run for WH in mind!

[AndyA]

8. No doubt the Navy is busy figuring out how to install a penthouse suite

on a naval carrier!

And they'll need room for his staff, but just 3 of them: butler, maid, and admin assistant.

Oh, and he'll want additional time off for family functions.

And no dirty work, he'll just be a figurehead for the Navy.

Yes, a real asset that one.

[Solly Mack]

9. LMAO

He must have drawn the short straw in the Uncle George says - somebody has to do it to see if it helps rally people to support my war

George P Bush wants to be President. Just saying...

[southerncrone]

11. Talk about at PR move for Uncle G! Give us all a break!

:eyes:

[Freddie Stubbs]

57. More likely this was done in mind for his future political career

[demo dutch]

70. Without a doubt!

[AlCzervik]

12. that doesn't make * any less of a chickenhawk.

[gaspee]

14. Hmmm

He's kind of hot...

Naval reserve? If he actually was doing it to contribute to more than his resume, he'd have joined a branch where he'd actually do something. Like maybe the marines, the army or the national guard.

Resume padding and so chimpy can point to a family member who is in the military.

Hell, he'd be doing more for his country is he joined the *coast guard*

[Duer 157099]

17. A sign of Jeb '08? n/t

[brook]

19. Isn't that an oymoron?

Bush/Intelligence?

I can see him now...gunning a cigarette boat off Millionaires Row in Galveston.

[NV Whino]

23. Is oymoron

the yiddish version of oxymoron?

[City Lights]

29. LOL! eom

[brook]

39. Oy...

:crazy: = meshuganah smilie?

Spellcheck is my friend.Spellcheck is my friend.Spellcheck is my friend.Spellcheck is my friend.

[mitchum]

22. The whole goddamn bush family is STILL a cancer on the world

This lameass PR stunt and resume padding is just so much horseshit

[Purveyor]

41. "Cancer" is an excellent description, indeed! eom

[dflprincess]

25. Does this mean Jeb is going to run for president?

n/t

[demo dutch]

71. No it means the prep of P's resume for a future WH run! Popular

among hispanics, and thus campaigned heavily for W

[hlthe2b]

26. So, he's the sacrificial chicken hawk....?

Chosen to "volunteer" to try to redeem the hated Bush* name.... hmmm

[Gloria]

27. When he visited here (Las Cruces, NM) what I heard of him made him

sound like a dope.

[nealmhughes]

28. Is this "Ricky Martin" Bush? The Xanax and crack ho's brother?

[Bucky]

77. Yes this is the "driving in circles on an ex girlfriend's lawn" Bushling.

Of course most Bushes end up driving around in circles, but only this one seems to take the task literally (as opposed to his Aunt Laura, who only drove straight dead ahead).

[KansDem]

32. He's one of the "little brown ones" his grandfather referred to...

Even George H.W. Bush--the patriarch of the namesakes--is getting into the swing of things. Sources tell TIME that the former President, who once famously referred to his Mexican-American grandchildren, including George P., as "the little brown ones," recently urged his son's campaign to hold a national Hispanic event aimed at luring Hispanics away from the Democrats.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,997196,00.html">Time.com

Those Bushes...class acts every one! :eyes:

[Captain Hilts]

33. Why's the navy taking someone who has a criminal record [b&e ex-girlfriend's house]? nt

[ShortnFiery]

81. Not just accepting, hell, instead of the standard "Secret" clearance all Military Officers

receive, old Stalker babe, one each, George P. Bush, is going to be granted a TOP SECRET clearance. This undeserving twerp will be trusted with many of our most precious military secrets.

Sorry, as a former Military Intelligence Officer, I'm beyond depressed ... what has the country that I LOVE and have served turned into? Words can not relate my sorrow for what "The Bush Dynasty" has done to my beloved Country.

Perhaps I was way too idealistic in my youth. But today, I am disappointed (if not shocked) in the functioning (or lack thereof) of almost all facets of our government. :(

[Captain Hilts]

90. Agreed. [I'm a military O-ganger's kid]. You EARN a top secret clearance.

It's not handed to you.

I wonder what other blackmailable things he's done.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Dover]

35. And they call it 'intelligence'...........?

Not a wit of intelligence in that whole clan, except for the dark kind.

[FightingIrish]

36. His training will last two years.

In case no one has figured it out, that's the expiration date for Uncle Dickhead's war

[onehandle]

37. Don't waste your time.

There is no f*cking way a Bush will ever be President again.

[niyad]

42. tillman's death was a wake-up call, and he is just NOW getting around to signing up?

wasn't pat killed three years ago?

he had 'serious talks" with his wife about actually joining up? wasn't that nice?

a bush in the intelligence services? didn't realize the military was THAT hard up!!

[ShortnFiery]

80. You got that right!

"a bush in the intelligence services? didn't realize the military was THAT hard up!!"

In order to qualify for Intelligence service, I had to glean recommendations from a couple of R.O.T.C. instructors within our College. Having graduated in the upper 5% in academic as well as Military Science Courses helped score me that coveted slot, i.e., in the late seventies I will also admit that it did not hurt being a female - but I still earned it. ;)

I've always been a person of slightly above average intelligence with great determination and persistence. I want to know the following: What did George P. Bush accomplish to distinguish himself beyond the norm of OCS candidates that would warrant an AUTOMATIC assignment into an MOS within Navy Intelligence? Yes, even a reserve appointment in Intelligence is a high honor.

The children of privilege disgust me because it was my Dad's battlefield commission during WWII that helped our family out of the Dairy Farm in South Dakota.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a socialist but IMO "The Wealthy and Connected" need to be taken down a peg or two. The partial answers: Regulated Capitalism and Public Financed Political Campaigns.

Damn those children of privilege gleaning benefits they are unworthy of ... while many of my second cousins are still living from hand to mouth in The Midwest. :grr: :thumbsdown:

[aquart]

43. They've told him he can be president if he does this.

Think it was Grandma Barbara who laid it out for him?

[DeepModem Mom]

44. I applaud him, and appreciate his commitment to eight years of service. nt

[az chela]

50. Why???He is part of the bush cartel and you applaud him?????

[DeepModem Mom]

51. I applaud him for the reason stated. How many threads here...

have had as their subject the failure of any of the Bush family, including the twins, to serve in the military? Well, now we have a member of the family, this guy, committing to eight years of service -- and we're going to savage him for it?

[ShortnFiery]

82. You applaud him for using his Grandfather's status to score one of the mose prized

MOSs in The Military. He's Vomit. I sympathize with any enlisted who has to take orders from this spoiled brat from The Bush Dynasty. :puke:

[jdadd]

45. Delete...

[SoCalDem]

48. He's just padding his resume' for when it's HIS turn to be president

You know there's that "Bush Dynasty" to continue..:puke:

[Vinca]

53. But, George P., why not join the Army Reserves?

You might be able to add combat to your resume if you did. Oh, I forgot, there are segments of the population who don't do that sort of thing.

[Marrah_G]

59. I'm confused....

He joins as an officer with no previous military training??????????

[davhill]

61. Naval Intelligence?

Since he's a Bush, they will probably train him as a torturer.

[demo dutch]

66. Lots of political aspirations, and laying foundation for future WH run, and

He campaigned heavily for uncle W for the hispanic vote

[Rosie1223]

72. Prince Harry was making them look bad. n/t

[ribrepin]

98. There you go

Prince Harry was insisting on going and it was getting embarrassing. Of course, Harry will be serving in the infantry and George P will be sitting on his ass in Dallas.

[progressivebydesign]

73. Can you just join up as an "Intelligence officer" like that?

I mean.. don't you have to have some experience??

[Bucky]

75. Not if you have connections.

The military professional services do allow for some lateral entry and GP Bush being a lawyer is actually pretty good background for intel work. But there's almost certainly some family connections being applied here.

[ShortnFiery]

86. Lateral entry flexibility of the average Jane or Joe? You must be kidding?

He would have been slotted into JAG ... IMO, there's *very little* overlap between JAG and Intelligence Officer Training (Signals, General or HUMINT).

Much of what Intelligence Officers are instructed on has to do with processing of Data, personal and COORDINATIONS with higher headquarters ... that has absolutely no parallels with "the Law" or being "a lawyer."

[mahina]

79. That's what I was wondering too.

I know the recruiters promise all kinds of stuff that may or may not come to pass. But this sounds like he already has an assignment.
Freaky how things work different for the rich folks.

[ShortnFiery]

85. Not only do you have to have experience, but, in the vast majority of cases

Intelligence Officers are gleaned from the college ranks, i.e., no older than 22 y.o. to 23 y.o.

Yes, there's no doubt that POPPY dictated what MOS George P. would be granted. If his name were anything other than BUSH, his selected MOS would, most likely have been something COMMS related. Especially those who choose to go the OCS (Officers' Course School) vice Naval R.O.T.C. :(

No one who is not "of privilege" would have scored an "Intelligence MOS" ... on that, I am certain.

[Bucky]

74. Any Bush joining "the intelligence reserve" is ironic.

But it's about time some neocon's family member put on a uniform.

[JCMach1]

83. Guess he's moved past underage girls in parked cars...

!!!

On Edit: My bad... had G.P. confused with JEB, jr.

[gauguin57]

87. Future presidential candidate.

Has to have military service ... saw what happened to Unca George when the questions came up.

[ShortnFiery]

88. No Joke: If George P. Bush is elected The President of The United States ...

I'm moving to Vancouver and buying a "head shop." :wow:

At that point, the USA will have become 100% FUBAR to me. :shrug:

[Raskolnik]

91. Good on him, I suppose.

If I'm going to bitch about the lack of personal stake the national leadership has in the war, I suppose I'd better be willing to admit when one of them puts his money where his mouth is.

[Eurobabe]

92. GOOBER joins the Navy?

:rofl:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

93. the ass who thinks he's Ricky Martin

he's the one they'll trot at to be entitled as president in 25 years or so

[superconnected]

100. I'd feel better if he joined the army and went to iraq.

Instead he's in the reserve and it's navy... yeah, that will make him just like all of our troops in danger, not.