Dean's Yale Transcripts Are Released

[Rose Siding]

WASHINGTON -- Some centrist Democrats may fret about front-runner Howard Dean's ability to match up to President Bush in a general election, but his college transcript sure could.

Bush, who graduated from Yale University in 1968, had a less-than-stellar record, with what the president described as "gentleman's Cs." Dean's transcript shows the political science major sailing through a slight sophomore slump to earn mostly high marks his last two years.

Dean's freshman year in 1967 coincided with Yale's introduction of a less traditional grading system that replaced As and Bs with Hs and HPs, for "Honors" and "High Pass."

The letter F was still there, but Dean never got one. He earned seven honors, 17 high passes and 14 passes.

The transcript shows Howard Brush Dean III with a Park Avenue address and a course load reflective of those antiestablishment years. Dean took more than one class on Marxism and studied the "History of Soviet Union," "Soviet Foreign Policy," "International Communism" and "Chinese Politics."

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-dean-college-grades,0,3131208.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

[roguevalley]

1. Good for him. Nothing feels better than personal achievement.

[billbuckhead]

3. Yeah, but Clark was first in his class

I'd say that's a big honors high pass!

[koopie57]

25. do you think the combination would be good?

Dean is a credit to us, Clark is a credit to us. I think they compliment one another very well. Dean on America and Clark on foreign affairs. And really, whoever is vice president probably will be president next time around.

Is there someway we as a group can tell Lieberman to shut the hell up? Like we as a group sent flowers to Byrd. Is there a way to send Lieberman the finger?

[devinsgram]

2. I just love an educated man.

When they talk they make sense instead of dribble.

[billbuckhead]

6. Isn't it time to diss the Ivy league? Hey, Jeff Skillings by himself

I've heard more than a few people blame the Ivy league for many of our economic problems. Can you say Arthur Anderson? Enron? Skull and Bones?

[Oreegone]

4. Read the last paragraphs

Very sad, I am not a Kerry supporter but I hate to see anyone mortgage their family home to raise money for a campaign.

[Caution]

12. Mortgaging his home is not a problem for kerry

His wife is a multi-millionaire. Under campaign law he cannot use her money in his campaign, but the house is in his name so he can mortgage it. When all is said and done his wife will just pay off the mortgage.

[Gman]

5. Dean's courses sounds a whole lot like the Pol Sci courses I took

I wondered years later why I thought I could make a living with a Polly Sci degree... But I could sure argue!

[Old and In the Way]

7. Me too!

Liberal Arts degrees. I know a little about everything, not a lot about something!

[LiberalFighter]

11. But do you know what you need to know at the moment?

[Lisa]

8. And Bush's transcript, for comparison

http://www.americanpolitics.com/bushtranscript.html

Looks like he had the "less traditional grading system" too, but in his last year.

[kskiska]

9. Looks like Dean had more foreign policy background than *

before he even got out of college.

[Lisa]

10. I thought it was interesting that * took ONE geology course ...

... and then none of the physical/natural sciences after that. I wonder if this accounts for a) his inability to find oil in Texas, and b) his lack of comprehension of the processes behind the greenhouse effect?

He also had Margaret Mead as a prof ... and remember, she once remarked, "Women want mediocre men, and men are working to become as mediocre as possible".

I wonder if she was looking at *, sleeping in the back row, when she thought of that line?

[Isere]

13. Sad to say

but in the anti-intellectual climate of the US, it isn't necessarily a plus to be an academic superstar.

The know-nothings on the right will consider this to be just one more sign of Dean's elitism.

They would rather cast their lot with a C student who doesn't remind them of their own failures.

[Triana]

14. awesome...bush's college record is shameful

of course 'intellectualism' is bad, remember - at least for conservatives. they seem to hate it. (maybe they just can't compete...)

;)

[durutti]

15. Red-baiting soon to follow.

Watch.

[AP]

16. B-

I'm looking for an A+ president.

[hedda_foil]

17. Wow! Nice course selection.

[Tinoire]

22. YOWZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

On eidt: What a cocky arrogant SOB! Send him to me anytime!

Yes.. and God said... LET THERE BE LIGHT!

[w13rd0]

23. Interesting...

...hehe, yeah, and what strikes me, and I hope I don't offend any Dean supporters with this, it isn't that he strikes me as an incredibly intelligent man, but someone who worked at it, took pride in his academic achievements, and wouldn't settle for poor performance...and yeah, seriously, that's a young Dean? What a handsome young rake.

[w13rd0]

18. Brush away the Bush...

...hehe...yeah-o...

[Blaze Diem]

19. Thanks Hedda....A Young Dr. Dean..hmmmm!!!

mmm....mmm...mmmm...mmmm...mmmmmmmmmmm

[Zhade]

21. Damn! Dean was...like...hot, back then.

NT!

[Neshanic]

20. Call the Ashcroft degenerate art squad! There's art behind that man!

[w13rd0]

24. um, that's a barbeque grill...

...though you may have a different version of art than I...

[Rose Siding]

27. LOL, I know Hedda's pic is pleasantly distracting, but

I think Neshanic was talking about the art in MY sig pic.

[Toucano]

26. I shudder at the thought

Of the whole world looking at my college transcript!

Is this REALLY necessary? I already know Dean is smarter than Bush. Anyone with eyes and ears knows that!

But this is good news for the doctor and good news for democrats.

[w4rma]

28. The !@#$ing AP is red-baiting him and is trying to promote a stereotype

of Dean. :mad:

[demgrrrll]

29. Yup. You nailed it. n/t.

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[NJCher]

30. maybe biased...

As a university instructor, one sees the emphasis people place on good grades. Parents, students, everyone wants to see good grades. It is one of the most sought-after goals in life.

So yes, America is an anti-intellectual environment but there is status and prestige in a transcript that reveals high achievement.


Cher