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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:03 AM
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Anti-Bush Iraq Documentary Makes the Party Circuit
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031220/pl_nm/leisure_uncovered_dc&cid=615&ncid=1473

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - In the midst of a film industry crackdown on digital movie piracy, filmmaker Robert Greenwald is urging rampant, unauthorized copying of his documentary criticizing the Bush administration's reasons for invading Iraq (news - web sites).



The 56-minute film, "Uncovered: The Whole Truth about the Iraq War," concludes that President Bush (news - web sites) and his team distorted intelligence data and misled the American public ahead of the March invasion that toppled the regime of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).


Greenwald has bypassed movie theaters and television, and instead has organized "parlor screenings" in thousands of homes across the United States with the help of Internet-based liberal advocacy group, MoveOn.org.


People attending can buy DVD or VHS copies that they in turn are urged to reproduce and pass along for free to others.

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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:04 AM
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1. HIghly recommended
I gto this in exchange for a donation to MoveOn.org a little while back and it really is an excellent resource.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:07 AM
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2. I'm going to a party for this on Jan 8th
If they're selling the tape I'll make copies and send them to DUers who want it.
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:29 AM
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3. I'd like to see it to compare it to the Frontline piece

NPR carried Frontline's documentary on the buildup to war and that was convincing enough.

Pretty sure that documentary didn't show Powell's purgery at the UN and Bush's SOTUS lies. Would like to see a clean dissection of what they said vs. what the truth was.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:02 PM
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23. I think Uncovered is much better than the Frontline story --
Greenwald lets career intelligence people dissect the lies one by one.

I just wish I knew how to copy and burn the DVD -- I have an Imac with DVD burning capabilities -- but I don't have the proper software. I downloaded something but I can't figure out how to use it.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:40 AM
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4. I've ordered my copy
and one for a friend. I can't wait until it arrives. :bounce:

I think it is simply incredible the way MoveOn.org has harnessed the power of the Internet for grassroots organizing in IRL. It's a transformational shift that will continue to grow stronger.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:40 AM
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5. I attended one of the parties on Dec. 7.
That Sunday there were over 2000 parties scheduled across the country. This is an excellent documentary, professionally done.

I didn't know Mr. Greenwald was urging that people copy the DVD. I'd really would like to have a copy, but I'm kind of financially challenged right now. Maybe I can get the host to burn me a copy.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:44 AM
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6. this film really shows how tv news is propaganda
after watching the film, then thinking about all the media frenzy around the Saddam capture, you realize even more than ever how US television really is nothing more than pro-regime propaganda.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 10:39 AM
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7. us this gonna bo ob Worldlink tv?
anyone know?
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 10:47 AM
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8. Eventually I believe it will
Just as the Afghan Massacre documentary made to link tv. I had heard about that one via the internet and about a month later it was on link tv.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 11:53 AM
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10. Both Afghan Massacre and Uncovered...
...are "making the circuit" on the peer-to-peer networks. I'm in the process of downloading both.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 11:25 AM
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9. Thanks for the post. Just ordered a copy.
I ordered DVD. Can I burn VHS copies from it when I play it? Would love to send some out to a few folks who could use a wake up call.

Keep this kicked, folks. The more the merrier! :evilgrin:
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:15 PM
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18. Havocmom...
Where did you order it from? I called myself perusing the article looking for links to order, but didn't find any. Am I missing something? I would like to order it also. Thanks
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:50 PM
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20. Moveon.org nt
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:15 PM
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32. Thank you BP...
:)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:19 PM
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11. My copy is in the mail and I'm as nervous as a whore in church,
waiting for it. I've already have one package lost by our postal systems so far this season.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:23 PM
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12. Go rate the story a 5!!
so more people (who aren't DUers) will see it!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:28 PM
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13. i'm copying my DVD...
... all friends and relatives that will watch it and some who won't are getting a copy.

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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:33 PM
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14. It is a great documentary
Very well produced, good content and highly credible intelligent people speaking frankly about the failure and lies of this administration. I thank them for speaking out.

Sonia
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:07 PM
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15. I rated it
:thumbsup:
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:01 PM
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16. Is it available for download or on Kazaa yet?
:kick:
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:05 PM
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17. Good question...
If they want it to be freely available, they need to set up a website where it can be downloaded. That's the ticket. Yes indeed!
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:49 PM
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19. I found this site... You need to join and download edonkey to get it
though. I don't know what sort of quality yet, but it is supposidly an avi file so it should play on most players and can be transferred to VCD or DVD formats.

http://www.ed2k-it.com/forum/news_viewnews.php?article=1463
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:01 PM
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22. I only saw two copies (Kazaa) and both remotely queued me...
I'll post back here if I can get them to download...
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:10 PM
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30. 80% downloaded off of Kazaa...
It might take a while, but you can get it via Kazaa...
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:13 PM
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31. Link to Kazaa?
:)
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 10:02 PM
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35. I'm trying to find the link to Kazaa lite...
...it's better than Kazaa regular - no spyware. Give me a sec (or, if anyone knows the URL for Kazaa lite K++, feel free to post it)...
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:47 PM
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34. it's on the ed2k network
try edonkey or emule.
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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 10:22 PM
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38. Looking at eDonkey now
It's great that he's giving permission for people to download it. It looks like there's already 100+ sources for the file. (Which means it's really making the rounds!)
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Sorcerer3 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:56 PM
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21. Regardless of the WMDs..
There is nothing distorted about what kind of lunatic Saddam was. Nothing distorted about how he and his secret police terrorized and tortured his own people. Nothing distorted about the mass graves being dug up or how those in those mass graves were slaughtered, even with their blindfolds still on. There's nothing distorted about when those people were tortured and slaughtered. There's nothing distorted about the fact that Saddam used the Oil for Food money to buy lavish yachts and build many palaces while 100s thousands starved to death.

Clinton went into kosovo to stop genocide and I sure as hell wished he had gone into Iraq to stop Saddam's tyranny upon his own people. Clinton had Bipartison support in 1998 to do the very same thing as Bush had done in March/April of 2003 (which was a Bipartison effort as well).

Saddam represented what is most evil in the world of man and had to be dealt with regardless of what political party is in power.

As for war. Nobody wants war. Nobody wants to send people off to die (except for the likes of Saddam). Clinton probably didn't want to take that route with Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo or any other place where American sons and Daughters have died and I doubt Bush wanted our soldiers to die in Iraq and Afghanistan. But what other alternative is there when diplomacy fails? And Yes, regarding Saddam, 12 years of Diplomacy from the UN and the US failed the Iraqi people.

Some say we should have let the Iraqis handle Saddam if he was such a bad dictator. It was their own internal problem. Fact is that we tried that once. One of Bush 41's biggest blunders of Gulf War 1 was that we stood by as we urged the Shi'ites to fight and take out Saddam on their own. But 20 years of oppression and fear haunted those people and they were no match for Saddam's secret police. As a result they were slaughtered by the thousands.

Humanity, Human Rights are not issues that belong to the GOP or the democrats. They belong to both parties in the US. They belong to every civilized nation on the planet that values human life.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:27 PM
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24. i can......
sorta agree with some of your statements, but the bipartisan support thing never existed throughout the Clinton administration. He only had support from congress his first 2 years before the GOP takeover.
With a democratic congress support was grudging. I just can't see Clinton launching a ground war in Iraq without a firestorm in congress. No way would he get support, and even Bush with his own party in power probably couldn't launch a land war in Iraq without the sept. 11 suicide bombing.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:29 PM
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25. Bi-partisan support????
I can't remember Pres. Clinton having bi-partisan support on ANYTHING in 1998. The GOP were all busy disecting the blue dress!

We all agree that SH was a very evil man, and it's good that he isn't in power any longer, but the end doesn't always justify the means.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:52 PM
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:55 PM
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28. What ya mean "Regardless of the WMDs.."
Let's address the lies of junior before we start calling the kettle black, 'eh?

Check out this five minute video and get to me, will ya?

http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:10 PM
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29. "As for war. Nobody wants war."
I beg to differ. W. and his Neo-Con buddies were creaming in their pants to get it on. I don't care how often Shrub claimed that war was the "last resort"... the f*cker and his band of chickenhawk thugs were hell-bent to have it, and have it they did. Nothing would have stopped them and their PNAC wet dream!

Mark my words, history will show the invasion of Iraq by the United States to have been the most unjustified, immoral, illegal, thuggish, venal, and uncalled for attack ever.

Oh, and what is it that makes it so difficult for those who spew this crap about "mass graves in Iraq" to understand that they are there because of what Poppy Bush did? It was he who enticed the Shiites to rise up against Saddam after Gulf I, leading them to believe that they would get support from the U.S... so they did. We did not come to their support, they identified themselves as insurgents, and Saddam had them all slaughtered and placed in the mass graves. They would not have died had it not been for "Too Stupid-to-be-Presdent's" father.

Now... go back to your little Clinton-hating corner and leave us alone. We know the truth... it is you who needs educating!
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ScrewyRabbit Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 10:06 PM
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36. The question isn't about the evilness of Saddam
The question is whether the goal of getting rid of him was worth the cost: hundreds of US soldiers dead and thousands wounded, still thousands more dead Iraqis (those people we're supposedly so concerned about), a $200 billion price tag (maybe more) your kids can pay for, most of our allies and much of the world distrustful of our motives and our methods, and a less stable Middle East.

And in fact sanctions, as we now know, were working just fine in preventing Saddam's militarism.

Oh, and keep in mind that when SH was commiting his worst atrocities, the Reagan administration was actively supporting him despite his use of chemical weapons. And who delivered this fine news to the Butcher of Bagdad? Why none other than Donald Rumsfeld.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 11:02 PM
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39. "Saddam represented what is most evil in the world of man and....."
had to be dealt with regardless of what political party is in power."

among all the amusing distortions in the above post, is this the most ludicrous?

let's see.....when, exactly did he gas and kill over a million Iranians, then "hundreds of thousands of his own people?"

huh?

if he most represented what's most evil, etc., why did it take dumbo and his string pullers two years in office to decide this?

why didn't they go after him imMEdiately

huh?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 11:57 PM
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40. first and only response from you folks "Well, Clinton did this and that!"
Saddam Hussein was bad...the US of Bush and his OIL BUDDIES were worse than Saddam Hussein. You heard me. WORSE!!! At least, people expected Saddam to be a vicious bastard based on his history. Who knew Bush would be such an inept, lying token who would cause so much death and destruction?

Conservatives should be ashamed of themselves. FOR SHAME!!!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:44 AM
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41. bush* and the republicans are responsible for:
40,000 Iraqi deaths, (10,000 innocent civilians; men, women, and children) enough to fill ALOT OF MASS GRAVES!! These are ALL HORRIBLE DEATHS...bodies blown apart, burned to ashes, dismembered...

50,000 maimed and seriously injured Iraqi men, women, and children.

and the republicans want to change their story and NOW say we killed and maimed all these Iraqis for HUMANITARIAN REASONS!!!????? I think NOT.

I have a problem with this!
There were OTHER ALTERNATINES!!!!
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:32 AM
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44. If you're correct, the next stop would be Uzbekistan
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 11:34 AM by Aries
Unfortunately for your case, they are our allies in the "War on Terrorism":

US looks away as new ally tortures Islamists

Uzbekistan's president steps up repression of opponents

Nick Paton Walsh in Namangan
Monday May 26, 2003
The Guardian

"Abdulkhalil was arrested in the fields of Uzbekistan's Ferghana valley in August last year. The 28-year-old farmer was sentenced to 16 years in prison for "trying to overthrow the constitutional structures". Last week his father saw him for the first time since that day on a stretcher in a prison hospital. His head was battered and his tongue was so swollen that he could only say that he had "been kept in water for a long time".

Abdulkhalil was a victim of Uzbekistan's security service, the SNB. His detention and torture were part of a crackdown on Hizb-ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation), an Islamist group.

Independent human rights groups estimate that there are more than 600 politically motivated arrests a year in Uzbekistan, and 6,500 political prisoners, some tortured to death. According to a forensic report commissioned by the British embassy, in August two prisoners were even boiled to death.

The US condemned this repression for many years. But since September 11 rewrote America's strategic interests in central Asia, the government of President Islam Karimov has become Washington's new best friend in the region...."


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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:49 PM
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26. LOL!!!!............Why not!!!!.......
:toast: to Greenwald!!!! and Move-on!!!
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:40 PM
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33. Saw it on the 18th
at my house party for Cark. One of the guest brought it. It was awesome.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 10:10 PM
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37. Woo Hoo! and to read this in LBN!
Great!. I just rated the article in Yahoo (Its current average rating is 3.90 with 240 votes) Go Vote!..."Uncovered" is worth viewing if you have the chance. I'm glad to see the story/message growing legs rather then die the quiet death like so many other important things. Hey, maybe the fence sitters are waking up!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:50 AM
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42. I attended one of the parties on Dec.7th.
About 40 attended. We watched the movie, and had a discssion. It was wonderful to be in a crowd of informed people.


I believe Kazaa lite can be downloaded here:
http://www.k-lite.tk/

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n0_data Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 04:51 AM
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43. Just FYI
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 05:15 AM by n0_data
Kazza Lite (the spyware free version) had to take down all their mirrors due to a "copyright violation" suit leveled against them by Sharman Networks - place irony (here). As far as I know, the link you gave isn't to the Kazza Lite software we all know and love. It appears to be that of an opportunistic organization that's taken the Kazza Lite name after the former was forced to shut down. Best to read the fine print before installing.

Edit: Here is a link to the real Kazza Lite site. They say as much, beware.
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:40 AM
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45. Get the DVD and donate to MoveOn.org

at their site:

"Uncovered: The Whole Truth about the Iraq War
Looking for a copy of the documentary that MoveOn.org Voter Fund helped to launch? Go to www.truthuncovered.com."

It's interesting that many, if not most of those interviewed in the film are ex-CIA or military intelligence. And not being a fan of those groups, it makes me ask whether a large part of the Iraq story is basically a Mafia turf war. Just curious...?

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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 12:46 AM
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46. Saw the Movie particpated in the phone call.
Made the Donation....it is totally credible,,,could show it to your Right Wing family members and have them respect you......everyone in the US should see this.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:45 AM
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47. Still waiting for my copy!
The Christmas mail has slowed delivery down I suspect.
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manic Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 10:15 AM
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48. London UK viewing
Edited on Mon Dec-22-03 10:36 AM by manic
It's blogged! I'll see if I can arrange a viewing in London sometime soon.

:)

Now I'm quietly wondering what's required to organise a broadcast... emailing, investilagrating...
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GORDON GGEKKO Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 10:57 AM
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49. 'THE TRUTH UNCOVERED' AS INFOMERCIAL
Hey...after watching the documentary, I was struck by the notion to run the truth uncovered as an infomercial on cable tv. Any interest?
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