CODEPINK Dogs Clinton on 2008 Trail

[CODEPINK]

Source: Common Dreams

An anti-war group, Code Pink, is hounding Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) at almost every stop she makes on the campaign trail, hitting her again yesterday as she joined other candidates in seeking a union endorsement.

Standing in front of the Capitol Hill Hyatt Regency, the group made its presence known, inviting a sea of union members from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers to “go back downstairs and kiss Hillary’s a–.”

Read more: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/28/151/

[JuniperLea]

1. I don't think Hillary has a snowball's chance

This is a waste of time... highly speculative choice on where to put forth effort, imho. I'd rather see the effort go toward people who are actually in a position to do something today.

[CODEPINK]

2. Hell No

--Especially because she hasn't done anything to stop the war. That's a topic she loves to avoid!

[JuniperLea]

3. Then why the big effort to hound her?

Maybe I'm missing something?

[Tom Joad]

5. The reason she doesn't have a chance is because of citizen's effort

we can't be passive... We must expose Hillary's record to the light of day... where it shrivels and dies.

[JuniperLea]

8. She doesn't have a chance anyway

I think it's a waste of time.

[VegasWolf]

12. She's getting enough money to steal the Democratic nomination. She needs

to be stopped by all means necessary.

[BigDDem]

15. Tin Foil on sale in Vegas!

How do you think she's going to "steal" the election? Just curious.
As far as I know, no one has cast a vote yet.

[JuniperLea]

16. Not to mention all the eyes on voting now

Would be the most stupid move ever for her to even attempt.

[VegasWolf]

17. Right. She isn't garnering enough money. Money buys elections.

"Steal" was meant figuratively, not literally of course. One would think that should not even need to be pointed out to an intelligent audience.

[JuniperLea]

38. That's not very nice

I'll pit my IQ against yours any day... and I thought the same thing. Perhaps you should read your own posts and edit for clarity and snarks.

[VegasWolf]

40. That was accurate, too bad you didn't like it. Do you wish to propose

a viable mechanism through which Hillary could actually "steal" an election???? Really?? Get serious! I wouldn't be challenging ANYONE were I you.

[JuniperLea]

64. Dee Dee Dee

Methinks you should re-read this entire convo... I poo poo'd the idea of Hillary stealing an election.

Get a brain...

[VegasWolf]

67. Jesus, I know that. You were responding to MY assertion. God, no wonder

you support Hillary.

[Name removed]

74. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[VegasWolf]

80. Then quit spouting it!!! You are the one who reacted to my assertion

that Hillary would "steal" the election. You stated that it couldn't be done. Well, "Duh!!!!!!~!! Of course it couldn't!!! You seem to think in an extremely narrow and literal manner. Hence, my assertion that you were a Hillary supporter. Well, good! At the very least you don't support Hillary!

[Orsino]

55. To coopt Hillary's press coverage.

Beats following MC Hammer.

[JuniperLea]

107. GADS! That's what I was thinking!

Free press! There is no such thing as negative publicity when you are wanting to stay in the public eye.

Is Hillary still running?

Is Anna Nicole still dead?


Earthlings are such morons.

[Miss Chybil]

110. Bingo. nt

[Tom Joad]

4. Keep on a doggin... we can't let war win in 2008!

[Carolina]

109. Couldn't have said it better ...

We can't let war win.

[Miss Chybil]

6. Too bad they aren't dogging Republicans. nt

[ElizabethDC]

7. Wouldn't that be nice?! nt

[JuniperLea]

9. Seriously!

They have a great network with awesome support... I'd like to see it used in a wiser fashion. Pelosi and Clinton... big waste of time. Huge waste.

[EFerrari]

13. No. It's a very wise use of time to remind Pelosi and Clinton

that they have a base and that that base has values and requirements.

[JuniperLea]

18. I'm sure that would be apparent

if their actions were otherwise placed. Clinton doesn't have a chance. Pelosi is making sure it's fair and honest down the line and that she is giving the Repubs a chance to understand and respond... basically everything they denied the Dems in the last congress. There is an obvious method to what appears to be madness. It looked like a big pajama party to me... waste.

[EFerrari]

58. Today Dennis told Amy Goodman that this bill budgets money

for the occupation in 2009.

Not misplaced in any way.

[cali]

97. LOL! They're HELPING Hillary

with shit like this. You can't possibly think that either Pelosi or Clinton listens to this shrill shit, and god knows I doubt that the electrical workers do either, and they're every bit as much the dem base as folks who are more liberal.

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ElizabethDC]

20. Hillary, etc. are supportive of ending the war

Hillary is supporting the timeline that the House and Senate Dems have proposed, and she has repeatedly said that if President Bush doesn't end the war by the end of his term, she would do it as president.

While I think the American people certainly want the war to end, the election results from November are not a mandate for a specific method of withdrawal - I think that's why the Democrats in Congress have themselves been divided over what action to take.

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ElizabethDC]

48. My goodness.

She never said she wants to attack Iran. She merely said that she would keep all options on the table, especially diplomacy. But I guess you're just gonna keep repeating "warmongerer" regardless.

I absolutely think Iraq is the #1 political issue on most people's minds, but most people I know (those that aren't involved in government) don't have an opinion on how it should be ended. They want a solution, and look to political leaders to find one.

The reason that they don't want the war money to stop is because cutting off funding for the war would be a surefire way for the Democrats to lose control of the Congress. Polls show that the majority of Americans are against the war, but that the majority (60% in a poll I saw yesterday) don't want funds to troops to be cut off.

[VegasWolf]

52. Yes, but to me that seems to be a matter of framing. People don't want

to see our troops sent off without body armor either. People are skeptical of bush's ability to lead the war to a successful conclusion. Protecting our troops by getting them out of the Iraqi civil war is far better than continually sending money to an incompetent fool that endangers peoples live's needlessly. The Democrats need to frame the response and stop reacting to Republican talking points.

[ElizabethDC]

61. Yes, of course, but

if we cut off funding the Republicans will just say that the Democrats aren't patriotic and they hate the troops, etc. That's the way they've already framed the debate, and cutting of funding would just be a gimme for them. I'd like to get our troops out ASAP, but I don't want us to shoot ourselves in the foot in the process.

[VegasWolf]

63. Right, that is why I think we are finally getting control of the talking points with

the recent Senate and House votes to continue the funding, but for a LIMITED time. Now, let the reptilians defend themselves.

[ElizabethDC]

78. Yep, we just have to learn to shape the debate for ourselves

and maintain control of it.

[Miss Chybil]

112. I'm wondering... did Hillary vote to keep the withdrawal date in the Iraq spending bill?

Hmmmm? Oh, yes. She did.

Amazingly, that doesn't count for anything because we all KNOW deep in her heart she loves this war - and all wars, cute little war-mongerer that she is - and she is only voting like this because she is running for president. And, we also all KNOW all the other people who voted to keep the language in the bill were just being good little Democrats - even the Republicans.

/sarcasm

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00116

[Name removed]

57. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[JuniperLea]

Bingo!

That has been reiterated right down the line! There is more than enough money in the pipeline to send the troops home! This money isn't for the troops! This is more pocket lining for the cronies!

Hillary is the Repug choice, not ours. The polls are showing her losing!

[ElizabethDC]

76. Well, I'm not a "Repug" in any sense of the word

and I'm supporting Hillary. Just because you aren't supporting her doesn't mean that plenty of other Democrats aren't. Besides, if Democrats aren't supporting her, then why does she keep coming out on top in polls of Democrats? (Not that she's necessarily going to win the nomination, but there's clearly a decent amount of support at least out there for her.)

[ronnykmarshall]

79. Oh Elizabeth ...

Don't you know?

Hillary supporters are "the enemy" and are not "educated".

Didn't you get the memo?

[ElizabethDC]

83. Alas, too true!

but in my stupidity, I keep coming back! (maybe it's some sort of masochistic thing?)

[VegasWolf]

88. C'mon Now!!! Not every single one of them!

:evilgrin:

[Miss Chybil]

113. Have you been taking math lessons from Karl Rove? nt

[ElizabethDC]

71. Of course they have enough money

but I'm talking about how it will appear to the voting public - I can see the RW talking points for what they are, but the average voter will buy into the Fox News lies, etc.

Don't accuse me of drinking said Kool-Aid - you're the one who keeps repeating the "warmonger," etc. lables while citing incorrect facts (Hillary has *not* said she wants to start war with Iran, and she does want us to pull our troops out of Iraq. The way people talk about it on DU makes it sound as if she wants the war to continue as is.)

I want us to get our troops of Iraq ASAP, but we have to do it in a smart way - I don't want us to lose control of Congress in the process, because that, too would be detrimental to the American people.

[Pastiche423]

85. You don't want us to lose control of Congress...

So to heck w/the lives of our troops and innocent Iraqis?

No One should have to die so that we can keep control of congress. No ONE!

Pssst: She does want it to continue.

[ElizabethDC]

92. I don't want us to lose control of the Congress

because I believe that the Democrats have in mind what's best for our troops in the long haul. (I also think having a timetable for withdrawal is good for a number of reasons, not just for keeping control of Congress, but I'm talking specifically about funding here).

If the Republicans were to regain control of Congress, they'd likely just keep us in Iraq forever, and I'm sure that many of them would have no qualms about authorizing a conflict with Iran or other countries. I believe the Democrats have the best plans for the future of this country and the future of Iraq. So, in that sense, I want the Democrats to remain in the majority for as long as possible - if it goes back to the Republicans, they'll just mess up whatever good work we do.


(Psssst - how do you know Hillary wants the war to continue? The only thing that might lend to that belief is that she, Obama, and others have said that they forsee having some residual troops in Iraq for the long term. Those troops would not continue in their current capacities, and the conflict as it is now would cease. I think you need to look more closely at what she's said about the issue instead of just repeating "warmongerer warmongerer warmongerer.)

[Pastiche423]

93. Again, you care more about control of the Congress

than lives of human beings.

How very, very sad.

[ElizabethDC]

94. Don't be so condescending

I care about the control of Congress precisely *because* I care about the lives of human beings. To me, that's what politics is all about - who has the people's best interests in mind. I deeply, deeply believe that the Democrats have the troops best interests in mind, and for that reason I want them to maintain the control of Congress. If the Democrats weren't in the majority right now, even this timeline for withdrawal wouldn't be something we could feasibly do.

It does suck that people's lives are so directly to politics, but that's the way it is, unfortunately. I hate this war and desperately want for it to end, but I believe that there is no perfect solution, and we have to navigate it in the best way possible. Obviously different people have different ideas about what the best way is, but that doesn't mean that I care any less about the value of human life.

[Pastiche423]

99. What is condescending about stating the truth?

The longer our troops stay in Afghanistan and Iraq, the more will die or be maimed for life.

But go ahead and play your political games. Because games are all they are. Games will not bring our troops home now.

[ElizabethDC]

103. Clearly you have a one-track mind on this

and your responses will be the same regardless of what I say. So I'm just not going to engage in the conversation anymore.

(And, btw, the condescension was in the "how very, very sad" comment in your assumptions about my priorities.)

[cali]

100. Your remarks on this thread reflect the worst of DU

How fucking dare you tell that poster the shit you're pulling out of your ass about how she doesn't care about the lives of human beings. Repulsive. And for the record, I don't support hillary at all. She's my dead last choice. The poster you attacked, with just about the worst kind of slurs imaginable- that she's a warmongerer and doesn't care about those losing their lives in Iraq- is beyond the pale.

All I want to say to you is what Cheney said to Leahy.

[Miss Chybil]

117. I guess it would be better to have the Neocons in control forever, right?

How many people would die then? In case you haven't noticed, they're working real hard to make that happen - to stay in control forever. As my grandmother used to say, "If you put the cart before the horse, you won't get very far."

[PassingFair]

119. Keeping up appearances is SO important, I AGREE!

"but I'm talking about how it will appear to the voting public - I can see the RW talking points for what they are, but the average voter will buy into the Fox News lies, etc."

Mustn't let the neighbors think we're CHICKENSHITS!

[Miss Chybil]

22. Really, in the end, I think they're doing Clinton a favor by making her look

less "radical" to mainstream America. Limbaugh, et. al. have spent years and years building up her reputation and a super-far-left-winger. They're doing a good job of cleaning that up for her, I think.

As for ending the war I seem to have noticed a couple bills that just passed the house and the senate with a date of withdrawal on them. It's not exactly what I'd like, but the Dems have had a very slim majority for less than 90 days and things... they are a-changing.

I'm a member of Democratic Underground because I am a Democrat. I support the Democrats and while they are far from perfect, I'd demonstrate against the people who dreamed up and started this war as thousand times before I'd demonstrate against a Democrat. But, that's just me, I guess.

[Pastiche423]

33. As a former Democrat for 32 years

and now a Liberal Independent, I demonstrate against anyone that is not trying to end these wars.

Hillary voted for this bush monstrosity and did not denounce the war until she realized it would hurt her presidential campaign.

And the cherry on top is............ she is fucking DLC!

[Kolesar]

42. How do you know why Hillary "denounced the war"?

you have plausible conjecture, but how do you really know?

Note that I am not a "supporter" of Hillary, or Obama, or Edwards, or anybody yet.

[Pastiche423]

46. Timing is everything

[Kolesar]

47. You already said that

[Pastiche423]

59. lol

So? It's still true, IMHO.

[BigDDem]

73. Which liberal are you supporting for president?

[VegasWolf]

21. Yes, after the nomination. But now they need to pound on the presumptive Democratic Nominee! nt

[Miss Chybil]

24. Sure, bloody her up a bit before she has to go up against the big guns.

/sarcasm

[VegasWolf]

30. HOPEFULLY, she will never go up against the big guns!!! nt

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Kolesar]

43. Senator Inhofe? Senator Mccain??

[Supersedeas]

29. That is STRANGE isn't it -- Pubbie get a free pass from Code Pink.

[BlueManDude]

65. Funny how the Codepink loons always manage to get placed right in the camera shot during

congressional testimony. Rove probably picks out their seats a haed of time. The GOP couldn't pick better opponents if the went to Central Casting.

[BayCityProgressive]

102. if you hadn't noticed...

the GOP no longer has any power, so why would you bother protesting them? Also, their base is rabidly right wing and pro-war so they would never change position.

[Miss Chybil]

114. If you watch the polls you'll see a lot of Americans who used to call themselves

Republicans no longer do. This proves people do change their position. Of course, rabid people rarely do - thank goodness rabid people are rarely the majority in any paprty. Protesting the Republican politicians makes a lot of sense, considering they started the war. Now as to say they no longer have any power... I think you must forget the President is still a Republican and so is half of the Senate. You can ignore them, if you like, and help them beat up Democrats, but I wouldn't advise it.

[Captain Hilts]

35. They need to go after Republicans. nt

[BlueManDude]

68. They're paid by Republicans.

[bluedog]

51. yea.how come they are not?

how about Lieberman......McConnell..the real war mongers who refuse to even say the word dealine.....who refuse to get the troops out.....something is screwed up about this!

[ronnykmarshall]

75. No SHIT!

[rman]

95. they don't have a chance anyway

[PassingFair]

118. We've got our own HAWKS to dog. n/t

[Laughing Mirror]

10. Keep dogging the hawk, Code Pink

Eventually it will crash and burn.

[Captain Hilts]

34. She's not a war supporter.

And, no, she's not even among my top three choices for the nomination, but this is a bum rap on her.

[VegasWolf]

37. She has not even admitted that her vote to go to war was wrong in the first place.

Hillary is completely non-trustworthy when it comes to extricating ourselves out of Iraq. Giuliani almost seems more liberal than Hillary, and that is fucking scary.

[EFerrari]

11. Go, CPers!

K&R

[BigDDem]

19. Yes, Go! " Go back downstairs and kiss Hillary’s a–.”

and the GO get us some "wine and cheese!"

[VegasWolf]

23. "Kiss Hilarity's ass???" God, that's disgusting. Are you supporting Zell Miller too? nt

[BigDDem]

25. Way to go!! Did you read the story or just knee-jerk anti Hillary??!!

Standing in front of the Capitol Hill Hyatt Regency, the group made its presence known, inviting a sea of union members from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers to “go back downstairs and kiss Hillary’s a–.”

"One would think that should not even need to be pointed out to an intelligent audience."


Code Pink = Zell

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BigDDem]

31. Hmmm, like I asked earlier...

Do you read or just react?
Those werent my words, I was quoting Code Pink.

Good luck with Nader 08!!

[Name removed]

32. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BigDDem]

36. Just like I thought

you didnt bother to read, just the usual anti-Hillary knee jerk reaction.

Which 3rd party will you be going with if Hillary wins the nomination?

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BigDDem]

41. So, instead of just throwing bombs at Hillary

why dont you tell us who you ARE supporting....

[VegasWolf]

44. So far my choice is Obama. I like what he has to say and I would

vote for him in the primary and contribute to his campaign.

[BigDDem]

50. Obama?????

He has voted for some $300 billion in war funding since entering the Senate in 2005....you should be outraged!

Does'nt that make him a "WARMONGER" in your book?

[VegasWolf]

56. Nope! The funding can not be stopped immediately. An example of a warmonger

to add to your set of stereotypes would be someone who refuses to acknowledge that her vote on Iraq was wrong. One whose DLC corporate connections still believe that there is some way that Exxon will somehow get control of Iraqi oil. That sort of thing.

[BigDDem]

60. Ok, gotcha

you support the continued funding of the war.

[VegasWolf]

66. Exactly, I support the withdrawal timetable. You are starting to get the

hang of this.

[BigDDem]

69. Ok, at least we agree

that you support the continued funding of the war.

[VegasWolf]

70. For 1 year, with withdrawal starting immediately. nt

[BigDDem]

81. So you and Obama

support the continued funding of the war.
Does he support the immediate withdrawl?

[VegasWolf]

84. I stated plainly what I support. nt

[BigDDem]

87. Right, you support the continuded funding of the war

that's clear.

My question was....Does Obama support the immediate withdrawl?

[VegasWolf]

89. With limitations per specified. Ask Obama yourself. We know that Hillary is untrustworthy,

we'll have to see if Obama is also.

[kdpeters]

53. Beg your pardon?

If Hillary doesn't want bombs thrown, she can damn well stand for something and cut it out with the mealey mouthed, bs, safe-speech nonsense. If Sen. Clinton has an image problem, make no mistake, it's HER problem!!

[Name removed]

54. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[kdpeters]

49. Rock on!! Code Pink!!

[Kolesar]

45. "The ditz in the ditch"

[cali]

62. Do you guys have the monopoly on STUPID

activism? Good job, if you want to solidify support for Hillary among union workers! Too bad, you're so myopic. Hillary thanks you for making her look less like a liberal to folks like the electrical workers. Just brilliant.

[Lurking Dem]

72. I'm starting to wonder

if they're funded by LaRouche.

Leaves the same taste in my mouth.

[ronnykmarshall]

77. So when are you going to protest Mc Cain?

[VegasWolf]

82. Why McCain? Looks like he is trailing EVERYONE. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

86. .

Ferget it!

[VegasWolf]

90. Just giving you a hard time. I know what you meant! Try Fred Thompson, he seems

to be the current favorite.

[Carolina]

108. because McCain is hopeless

warmongering Bush suckup. Besides, he's already sinking fast on the campaign trail. Why bother?

Hilary, on the other hand, needs reminding that elections have consequences and were a strong signal FOR CHANGE.

[paulk]

91. this is a good thing!

Since most people see CodePink as a pack of shrill idealogues, this can only help to set HRC apart from them....

You're doing her a favor!

[Name removed]

96. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[w4rma]

98. I don't think I could stand a year of posts like yours if Hillary wins the nomination. (nt)

[dbackjon]

115. So you wouldn't support Hillary if she won the nomination?

[BayCityProgressive]

101. wow

I am so glad you know all abotu the inner workings of CodePink...

[oasis]

105. Codepink disrespected union members at the event. I guess that's okay too.

:shrug:

[dbackjon]

116. Don't need to know them

I can see the counter-productive results.

[PhilipShore]

104. Excellent- A 2008 election anti war demo

:bounce:

[Carolina]

106. Good for Code Pink

This shows the MSM that despite money and machine HRC is weak. The MSM is foisting Hilary on us and all but declaring her as the nominee because that's what they want. Then they'll chew her up and spit her out (a la Gore and Kerry) while fawning over the repuke choice no matter who that turns out to be.

Hilary = the DLC, the corporations, repuke-liteness ... sheesh, enough already!

I hope Code Pink keeps up the good work and hounds Hilary relentlessly. I'm in a red state where her name alone evokes pure hatred but I have friends and relatives in NY who don't like her and say that the ONLY reason she won again there was because she had NO real opposition.

Elections do have consequences and, on the national scale, Hilary is a LOSER.

We need NEW blood that will call the repukes and their media whores on their lies and huypocrisy. We need someone who inspires us to be FOR something rather than simply against the current cabal. We need someone who can connect with people because let's face it folks, sheeple are uninformed and easily misled and, in the end, vote for the person they like not the person with the best ideas or the biggest intellect.

Edited for typos.

[cali]

120. Yeah, and their actions today

surely convinced the electrical workers, who were undoubtedly thrilled to be told to "go kiss Hillary's ass". I don't need the sarcasm tag, do I?

Codepink is doing nothing but helping Hillary with actions like these. As I said before, I think they've cornered the market on monumentally stupid activism.

[truthisfreedom]

111. Remeber, any press is good press. Everything that happens to Hillary increases her visibility.

Code Pink gets Hillary into the news more than almost any other organization in the United States. It's a constant reminder to the American public that she's out on the campaign trail gathering up money, support, and most importantly, votes.

[Moderator]

121. Locking

This is a flamefest. Please review the rules here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html