Breaking: CNN reports Ridge increasing threat level at 1:30pm

[mouse7]

It just broke about 2 minutes ago. Will have link soon.

The lies about Saddam actual capture by the Kurds in the British papers, and Ridge magically appears and starts playing with colors again.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

1. my first thought also

[joeunderdog]

92. This message brought to you by the NFL

Neverending Fucken Lies

[sallyseven]

2. The colors

Are just an excuse to frighten people. Keep them scared. What is the story about the Kurds? Can't find any info.

[mouse7]

5. Kurd news all over board. Kurds captured Saddam, not us.

There's 2 or three threads in breaking news. Reported today in major British newspaper, a big Frence news agancy, Bloomberg and Yahoo.

[0007]

42. Here's a pretty good link

http://www.sundayherald.com/38816

[Champion Jack]

14. whip up that good Ol' time fear!!!

"Fear makes the wolf bigger than he is."
----German Proverb


The most destructive element in the human mind is fear. Fear creates aggressiveness
-----Dorothy Thompson

[LiberalFighter]

64. They should give that idiot Ridge an enema on live tv

Then the color of his face would determine the threat level we are at.

[Mika]

3. Will it get in the way of any football games?

Nope? OK. Move along..

[Lefta Dissenter]

6. perhaps it's an endorsement

of the Bengals? (do they wear orange? Do they even play football?) I'm not much of a football fan - I watch the super bowl to see the commercials.

[mouse7]

7. Orange alert watching Bengals game may make TV detonate

That's a whole buncha orange.

[Junkdrawer]

32. No, football games are the chosen means of news broadcast of this Admin...

Saddam's "capture", and now the Orange Alert. Hardly anyone watches the news anymore...

[Zhade]

35. Ah-HA! I knew it!

The BFEE sends out verbal clues to its agents during football games! Especially during Jaguars games. :P

(Sorry, I hate the Jags, no offense to Jag-fans, it's just a joke!)

[Maeve]

4. Someone should tell them December 23rd is a big shopping day

:eyes:
An orange for Christmas...so traditional.

[Skip Intro]

9. But now there's an excuse for disappointing sales figures

I am so weary of the bush gang. Will 11/2004 ever get here?

[54anickel]

30. And dropping dollar, although I believe dropping is what they want, now

it can be blamed on terrorist threats and not the mess our economy is in. Funny how Fridays release of a threat came just as the dollar was heading up quickly to meet the 3 day high. Can't have that now! Each day has closed a bit lower than the day before since Sept 1.

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DXY0&v=i

[Minstrel Boy]

8. Which colour can Americans expect to see first, green or red?

And whose fault will that be?

[VolcanoJen]

10. Crap crap crap crap crap crap crap.

Anyone feeling safer?

Crap.

:-(

[RainDog]

11. watch out! Kurds are destroying Bush lies!

things must be really heading into the crapper and the Bushies know it for them to resort to more fear factor.

[Skip Intro]

13. That's all they have left - fear

Come to think of it, that's all they've really ever had, isn't it?

[Zhade]

33. If we refuse to be afraid, they have NOTHING.

Terrorists want to kill me? Fine - let them try.

Rightwingers want to shut me up? Fine - let them try.

I refuse to cower. They will never break me through fear. In the grand scheme of the universe, neither Bush not bin Laden have any power over me, because I refuse to allow them to. They are nothing without fear, and I won't play their game.

[Zynx]

12. This time I think there could be a serious problem and I'll tell you why.

Despite all the lies from the Right Wingers, Al-Qaeda is probably in better shape now than it was before 9/11. Since the war in Afghanistan began Al-Qaeda has launched nearly two dozen attacks around the world stretching from Indonesia to Saudi Arabia to Morrocco. Funding and recruitment have increased from every report I have heard on mainstream media and my guess is that it is even worse than we are letting on.

Still, for all the lack of success we have had against them, we have painted a picture of Al-Qaeda as on the ropes as an effort to drive down recruitment because we are trying to make it seem like a lost cause. This is a good strategy if it was true and even if its false. It is for this reason that Al-Qaeda may try another massive attack somewhere against us to prove their relevance.

I wish it wasn't so, but the fact is we bungled an opportunity to deliver a knock out blow to Al-Qaeda when we decided to go into Iraq instead of finnishing Afghanistan and perhaps some operations in Paksitan.

[Zhade]

39. The USG didn't bungle anything!

That's heresy! The government never lies! Never fails! God Bless America! Have some more apple pie and quit yer dissent!

:P

On a serious note, though, I wonder at the USG's pursuit of Osama bin Forgotten. I mean, how hard is it to find a 6'8'' Muslim on dialysis?

[RainDog]

50. wasn't "bungled" if Sy Hersh is right

I don't have the article bookmarked, because I read it in the hard copy, but if you read his article about our actions when we had bin Laden on three sides, you have to wonder...

specficically, Hersh notes that someone at the highest levels of command/govt had to issue the orders for our troops to stand down when they had bin Laden in the Tora Bora region...along with some of those nice ISI (secret Pakistani police) supporters of the Taliban/AlQ.

why did our govt allow Pakistan to fly out five thousand or so people from the area?

the only "rational" reason is so that Bush et al could justify an invasion of Iraq.

as in...if bin Laden were so close to capture, why not focus our attention on that battle? --and if he could be captured, would America be willing to invade Iraq?

even more than Bush flying the family members of the House of Saud out of this country, including members with known associations with funding for bin Laden, this moment in the "war on terror" warrants much investigation by reporters and by the watchdogs in our govt...assuming any exist anymore.

[Zhade]

59. Treason.

If the allegations that bin Laden planned and directed 911 turn out to be true, then enabling his escape is treason - punishable by death, if I recall correctly.

If bin Laden was not behind 911, then treason probably occurred that day.

Take your pick, Bush. Either way, you're a fucking TRAITOR. If you disagree, stop stonewalling the 911 Commission.

Here are some links regarding bin Laden at Tora Bora:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,686182,00.html
http://english.pravda.ru/world/2001/12/27/24538.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2002/n04172002_200204176.html (Rumsfeld denial, included for completeness)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A62618-2002Apr16¬Found=true*
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/main/escapeafghanistan.html (HUGE section complete with links)

*mainstream corporate media source, may not reflect reality

[Mike Niendorff]

79. related link (Sy Hersh: AQ allowed to evacuate from Afghanistan)

Jane Wallace interviews Seymour Hersh on PBS "NOW with Bill Moyers" (2/21/03)
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

excerpt follows :

-----

JANE WALLACE: Let's talk about Konduz. During the war with Afghanistan--

SY HERSH: Great story.

JANE WALLACE: -- you reported that during a key battle our side in that battle had the enemy surrounded. There were a reported perhaps 8,000 enemy forces in there.

SY HERSH: Maybe even more. But certainly minimum that many.

JANE WALLACE: It's your story, take it.

SY HERSH: Okay, the cream of the crop of Al Qaeda caught in a town called Konduz which is near ... it's one little village and it's a couple hundred kilometers, 150 miles from the border of Pakistan. And I learned this story frankly-- through very, very clandestine operatives we have in the Delta Force and other very... We were operating very heavily with a small number of men, three, 400 really in the first days of the war. And suddenly one night when they had everybody cornered in Konduz-- the special forces people were told there was a corridor that they could not fly in. There was a corridor sealed off to-- the United States military sealed off a corridor. And it was nobody could shoot anybody in this little lane that went from Konduz into Pakistan. And that's how I learned about it. I learned about it from a military guy who wanted to fly helicopters and kill people and couldn't do it that day.

JANE WALLACE: So, we had the enemy surrounded, the special forces guys are helping surround this enemy.

SY HERSH: They're whacking everybody they can whack that looks like a bad guy.

JANE WALLACE: And suddenly they're told to back off--

SY HERSH: From a certain area--

JANE WALLACE: -- and let planes fly out to Pakistan.

SY HERSH: There was about a three or four nights in which I can tell you maybe six, eight, 10, maybe 12 more-- or more heavily weighted-- Pakistani military planes flew out with an estimated-- no less than 2,500 maybe 3,000, maybe mmore. I've heard as many as four or 5,000. They were not only-- Al Qaeda but they were also-- you see the Pakistani ISI was-- the military advised us to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. There were dozens of senior Pakistani military officers including two generals who flew out. And I also learned after I wrote this story that maybe even some of Bin Laden's immediate family were flown out on the those evacuations. We allowed them to evacuate. We had an evacuation.

JANE WALLACE: How high up was that evacuation authorized?

SY HERSH: I am here to tell you it was authorized - Donald Rumsfeld who - we'll talk about what he said later - it had to be authorized at the White House. But certainly at the Secretary of Defense level.

-----


MDN

[Sugarbleus]

107. High alert is probably right..

BUT, can the dirty deed really come to fruition. Maybe yes, maybe no..our "security" orgs. seem to not know their ass from a hole in the ground anyway.

It has been my feeling all along that abandoning Afghanistan was the worst thing we could have done. What we did there only moved the terrorist around and pissed off a few more. While we are busy destroying another country, the Al quacko and their subdivisions have been gleefully preparing something "special". They don't give a shit what we did in Iraq; they are not cowered by that. These guys are all over the world and hate us with a vengence. We caught Saddam? Woot big deal to OBL et al. They see we are on the ropes with our economy and running our military ragged all over the freaking globe. The game isn't over and BUSHTARD hasn't done one thing to make us safer.
King George as our illustrious Dicktater is FUBAR and so may we be. GET THAT TWIT OUTTA OFFICE NOW!

[2cents]

15. lol...do they sell "Christmas" duct tape? n/t

[54anickel]

22. You bet, here's the link....Discounts for large orders!

http://www.identi-tape.com/duct.html

[2cents]

38. thanks...

...too bad they don't have any with Santas and trees.

[54anickel]

41. Twist red and white for candy canes, red and green for festive look.

[2cents]

51. sounds like a lot of work,

...and twisting may not have the appropriate asphyxiating effect.

(edited)

[LiberalFighter]

68. They should wrap every bush admin official

with the yellow/black hazard duct tape.

When you wrap these people make sure to tighten it as they inhale.

[are_we_united_yet]

44. You may find this hard to believe

But I think Haliburton has a line of holiday duct tape.

;)

[2cents]

55. they wouldn't dare...

....that would akin to insider trading (sarcasm)

[catmandu57]

16. Whoopi we're all gonna die

wolf, a big wolf with a thingie this big.

[mouse7]

69. I don't want to hear about Wolf's big thingie.

If you're into that sort of thing, whatever floats you boat. Please don't share though. Mental images are... yuck.

[NWHarkness]

17. So will all those who attacked Dean now apologize?

Dean got run through the ringer, by the press, the GOP, and plenty of Democrats for saying the arrest of Saddam didn't make the US any safer.

And now, the terror alert goes up?

[mouse7]

29. I know. Kerry is having a BAAAAAAAD day.

Kerry is on CNN now repeating his "Dean was irresponsible to suggest US not more secure after Saddam capture" and Wolf interrupts him every little bit to tout the coming Ridge press conference to increase threat level.

Someone needs to buy Kerry a drink. He hocked his house. He doesn't have the money to buy his own drink.

[IndianaGreen]

49. I've never seen Kerry as pathetic as he was today

You are right about Wolfie interrupting Kerry to remind him that the terror alert being increased, right after Kerrys spewed his crap about Dean saying that Saddam's capture did not make us safer.

BTW, setting politics aside for a moment, these security alerts only succeed in harming American businesses, at the height of the Holiday Season.

[Zhade]

60. Yeah, but his wife does.

Let her provide him with "57 varieties" of drink to soothe his mouth, sore from having that big ol' foot wedged in there so often.

[Patriot_Spear]

40. Dean was right, AGAIN...

Expect no apologies anytime soon.

Howard could have made this statement while walking on water and the press corps would have reported, 'Dean Can't Swim!'

[mouse7]

70. LOL!

This was certainly a unique week in US politics. I hear the elections in the 1800-1850 were really brutally partisan. You'd probably have to go back that far, though, to find a similar situation.

[CBHagman]

93. I thought the same thing, NWHarkness.

What a false sense of security they tried to instill in us after Iraq was invaded, yet people kept dying in attacks. What a lot of crowing was done after Saddam Hussein was caught, and now they're raising the terror alert level.

I'm torn as to how to react to this. Part of me is almost desensitized to the whole thing, rather like the villagers in "The Boy Who Cried Wolf." After all, we spent much of last winter on orange alert, if I recall correctly.

And part of me reads headlines about the threat rivaling or exceeding 9/11 and then wants to check to see that my affairs are in order. I did some especially desperate praying tonight at church.

May God raise up men and women of peace, and may they succeed in their mission.

[Robb]

18. Here's a link

My thread with a link got locked as a dupe, click here to read the AP story.

[Occulus]

25. Good Lord

look at this, though... Joint Chiefs Chairman Meyers said:

"And if they could use another catastrophic event, a tragedy like 9-11; if they could do that again, if they could get their hands on weapons of mass destruction and make it 10,000 (deaths), not 3,000, they would do that."


Ummm... doesn't that mean the terrorists would win?

Doesn't it also mean suspension of the Constitution?

Wouldn't that also mean no elections next year?

I'm becoming scared now....

[Zhade]

61. Let them try.

They will NOT like the response.

[Occulus]

90. One can hope.

I'm steadily losing my faith. I've also discovered... personal experience with what we've all been talking about here on this board is an absolute requirement for certain mindsets. The problem is, when it eventually happens to them, it'll be too late for us all.

[chessman]

97. "Good Lord"

I have been lurking in for for a while now and have decided to finally post. I am amazed at how the responses have become now whackier than the radical right wing black helicopter crowd. Come on guys!!

The crazier the candidates are becoming in their statements the more support we are giving them!!! I am becoming more scared at our reaction than I am of all these wild speculations and conspiracies.

Let's get grounded and deal in facts and reality! We are starting to sound like a bunch of lunatics.

[IndianaGreen]

19. Bush is pissing on our Holiday Season, again!

Fuck them! I don't believe anything this regime says. As far as I am concerned, this is nothing but another attempt to keep the public on edge by the Bush regime in order to prop themselves up in the polls.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. So will W's buddy bin Laden

pull his ass out of the fire again. 9-11, Bali, Turkey, seems whenever W gets into really big trouble, good ol' Osama always delivers in just the nick of time.

[davsand]

21. WE are doing so well in Iraq they are "desperate"...

...don't you guys remember the spin from a couple weeks ago? This elevated alert is GOOD news. (This is sarcasm for the humor impared.)

Gawd, I am so tired of the lies and manipulation. It is getting to the point where even THEY can't keep the spin straight anymore.

Laura

[Bronco69]

23. Where did I put that damned duct tape

and plastic sheeting? I guess I better find it quick, only 20 more minutes to get my "safe room" ready!! God, how I hate these bastards and their fearmongering.

[Cooley Hurd]

24. C'mon! At least we know it's not going to be an Iraqi drone...

...carrying botulism. Our fearless leader assured us that little nugget of security.

[grasswire]

26. yup -- this makes them liars

The mantra has been: the U.S. is safer now with Saddam gone.

Forty-eight hours later they raise the terror threat.

We either have a real threat OR they're too stupid to see the contradiction.

[havocmom]

34. " either a real threat OR they're too stupid to see the contradiction".

Not mutually exclusive.

We have real threats because they are stupid, and arrogant, and greedy, and totally without morals...

[Timefortruth]

65. They know the contridiction,

and go back home and laugh that the public falls for every one of their stories.

[LiberalFighter]

75. They don't care if it is a contradiction.

I glanced through a book I got yesterday. "The I Hate Republican Reader: Why the GOP is Totally Wrong About Everything" by Clint Willis. There is a section about Ari Fleischer that explains how he functions as the Press Secretary. Answering the question without answering the question. And he would challenge the reporter of having the correct facts, refuse to answer saying the question was hypothetical even when it wasn't, rephrase the question so that it couldn't be answered.

Just like Rush they rely on people not having the facts available. Without the facts they can't be challenged.

[Zhade]

27. Does this even work anymore?

Everyone knows "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"...

If there is ever a legitimate (read: non-USG-sponsored) terrorist attack in the future, the Bushies' overuse of the "terror threat color wheel" ensures that a healthy loss of life due to lack of attention will result. People can only remain vigilant against an unseen threat that never materializes for so long.

Then again, maybe the BFEE are well aware of that. Perhaps they prefer that people dismiss every color-coded "threat" until one is actually carried out, so that the government can say, "See, we told you, but all those pesky rights were in the way, so now we have to do the martial law thing!"

:tinfoilhat: ?

[LiberalFighter]

76. It works as long as the media tells it like they want.

[are_we_united_yet]

28. Is the sky falling again?

[amber dog democrat]

31. We'll be at tartan plad soon

or maybe chartruse? Just as long as it does not clash.

[IndianaGreen]

46. Watch out for the Lavender alerts

that's when the shit hits the fan and women rule the world!

[montana_hazeleyes]

95. periwinkle

would do it for me :)

[are_we_united_yet]

36. OK folks. Start dustin' off them flags

and attach 'em to your cars.

Get ready for the second wave of American unity.

[Robbien]

37. Loved Atrios' comment

"Why Does Tom Ridge Hate America?

Much like Howard Dean (and every 5 year old with a modest level of intelligence), he doesn't think that capturing Saddam has made us any safer from terrorists. CONDITION ORANGE!!!"

[mouse7]

43. Ridge says "rival or exceed Sept. 11th"

That's not even funny. I can't stand seeing the 9/11 deaths played with like this for political purposes. Those families go through absolute Hell every time they pull this crap.

[VolcanoJen]

45. "Your family should go over its emergency plans."

Be afraid... stay afraid. That seems to be the message here.

:scared:

Kicker:

"But go ahead and gather, enjoy the spirit of the season!"

Ho, ho, ho.

[Whoa_Nelly]

89. Ermergency Plans??

I heard/saw Ridge say that as well, and thought,"...hmmm...must need to be like the family fire plan...'We'll meet under the sycamore tree across the street to make sure everyone got out..."

[54anickel]

47. I hate being this cynical, but what are the odds that there will be an

amazingly heroic action thwarting an attack?
Need to disprove that whole "do you feel safer now" stuff.

[Timefortruth]

67. It would be nice if they did that rather than allow thousands to die.

Which would insure continuation of power for *&Co.?

[GRClarkesq]

48. Can they really expect this to push any news off the front page

The alert level has been up and down. Does anyone pay any attention? Without specific information regarding the threat whats the point.

[ScrewyRabbit]

52. It really is fear-mongering

My criterion for any rating system is, Does it prescribe any change of behavior?

If I read a movie review from a critic I respect, it will make me more or less likely to go see the movie based on the review. Hell, even the fire danger ratings in the summer might make me reconsider BBQing in a state park. But the terrorist warning system doesn't suggest anything I should do differently. Gee, should I drive a different route to work? By more batteries for my flashlight?

Give me an effin' break.

[mouse7]

72. Al Gore's kid and killer beauty queen will have front page

We must keep the priorities straight.

[MrPrax]

53. Season Greetings from the WH!! n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

54. This has GOT to be about the Saddam capture lie...

...coming to light. Dollars-to-donuts...

[KeepItReal]

63. BINGO!! MSNBC said Bush & Co. have been discussing this for 72hrs...

<eom>

[Shadder]

86. Of course it is...

As soon as I heard this there was no doubt that it was because of the Kurds story. And of course my idiot Mother-In-Law has to call us up to tell us to turn on the TV because we are about to be attacked.

[blackcat77]

56. This guy in the green sweater on MSNBC...

...is ripping the administration a new sphincter about how they're handling things. "Too generic," "CYA," "win-win for the administration," etc. Glad to see that at least one person in the media is still rational.

[devinsgram]

57. I'm from PA, I've learned not to take

him seriously. Loves to be in front of camera, oops I forgot that was when he was governor and handing out checks to everyone making himself look good while putting PA in the red. He was a joke then and he is a joke now. Just another repug puppet.

[blackcat77]

58. Did you see him grinning?

Cripes -- gotta enjoy that moment in the spotlights...

[devinsgram]

110. Yep, he wanted to be president someday

but this the closet he'll ever get from putting his nose up * ass.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

62. I thought things were supposed to get "better" once Saddam was caught

What a surprise, that the violence the US has perpetrated against another country without cause might come back to haunt Americans for the holidays.

[amber dog democrat]

66. Why?

I see very little to hope for coming out of our Iraqi Colonial War.

Except that we somehow survive it.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

73. For one thing....

military family members are expecting their soldier-in-arms to return all the sooner.

Maybe the Time Magazine accolades will soften the blow.

[BiggJawn]

71. What's this about "Searching Private Vehicles"?

I need to listen to the local news more closely. Swear I heard them say that they were gonna be pulling over people like with "sobriety checkpoints" and searching their vehicles. "Allow 2 hours extra to your travel plans"...

WTF????

You pull ME over, you better call your wife and tell her to cancel dinner, because you ain't getting in until you show me a fuckin' WARRANT!!!
And you'd better be in good shape, because I'm gonna work some of those Krispy Kreams offa you if you try to pull me from my vehicle!

On Edit:
Oh, silly me! they're talking about vehicles going to the airport. I'm not going to the airport. If I was, the above would still hold. Get a Warrant.

[davsand]

77. Pull you over to search your car?

Whatever happened to unreasonable search and seizure--oh wait--my mistake. That went by the wayside along with several other civil liberties in order to keep us safe.

But if we are now safer--why is the alert level at Orange--oh wait--they are desperate so the attacks are increasing.

But if the level of chatter indicates an attack is in the works then why did they ignore it the first time--oh wait--I guess we know better now. We've figured out that you don't have to have an exact itinerary to figure it out...

The contradictions just keep mounting. I have to admit, I just can't take it serously because I honestly think a second attack will weaken shrub.

What a Charlie Foxtrot this whole mess is.

Laura

[Newsjock]

85. A link on such a story would be helpful

My quick search on Google News didn't yield anything, but of course that doesn't mean it's not out there.

If this is a repeat of that renegade place in New Jersey that had draconian plans for "red alert," then this is something good to get out there.

[BiggJawn]

88. Read my Edit-cars going to the Airport.

Guess if you pull up to the terminal some Robo-cops could jump out and yell "Homeland Security! Hande HOCH!"... Uh, I mean "Hands UP!"

At first listen, I thought they meant rolling roadblocks, and that's just WRONG. It's not right at the airport, either, come to think of it.

Take a Cab, I guess...
Please allow 2 extra hours for delays and PLEASE, wash your pooper, in case we have to look up there. Thank you, from "Your" TSA...

[TankLV]

102. On a lighter note, there's a new slot-machine game here in Vegas called

Cops & Donuts!

Instead of cherries and dollar signs, etc, there are different kinds of donuts on the wheels.

Object is to help the cop get to a bunch of donut shops to get assorted donuts!

Gotta love it!

[0007]

74. They just bumped the color code up to another color

I think it is now orange.

[54anickel]

78. Prediction - There will be a thwarted "attack" (orchestrated) before 1/1

Make everyone feel they are safer....no mention of Saddam - no need to. The public seems to have a short memory anyway. Didn't get they win they were hoping for by finding SH (or whoever that is).
Shrub will again be a hero :eyes:

[0007]

80. Who can't see that one coming? A thwarted attack would raise

junior in the polls and the whore networks will go bananas.

We're so screwed.

[Atman]

83. Even odds on that one

That was my first thought. What a perfect way to prove, again, that they are "protecting" us. Now, they give us a warning, then stop something catastrophic seconds before it happens. Bush himself may wrestle a terrorist to the ground. It's gonna happen. These guys are masters. Bush learned a lot from Grampa Prescott's friends.

[montana_hazeleyes]

100. after bush* wrestles

the terrorist to the ground,mama Babs rushes over,smacks him into submission with her purse and saves the day!

[truthseeker1]

84. I agree there will be a thwarted (orchestrated) attack

and the resulting effect they are hoping for is that everyone will feel safer because Homeland Security was able to thwart the attack.

But here's the kicker: THEY WILL ANNOUNCE THEY GOT THE TIP FROM THEIR INTERROGATION OF SADDAM, finally "proving" the link of SH to the terrorists, and thus getting their justification for the invasion.

It will be a two-for-one. People will conclude that the invasion was justified and that Homeland Security has been doing a good job. Bush's numbers will go up.

On edit: Make that a threefer - they will also "prove" Dean has been wrong about his assertion that SH's capture has not done anything to make us safer.

[MikeG]

81. This is awful

I have absolutely nothing orange to wear.

[sleepyhead]

105. LOL!

*wiping off my monitor*

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

82. PROVING Dean's point about being no safer after Saddam capture...

While this color change may be a diversion from other issues, or even a legitimate cause for concern, it DOES undercut those who have criticized Dean for having the courage to say something TRUE, but unpopular..."We're no more safer after Saddam's capture than after 9/11".

Dean was right, and hopefully his statement will sink in to the American consciousness and demonstrate that he's wiser than many give him credit.

...not to mention Lieberman, Gephardt, and Kerry all look foolish for criticizing Dean on a remark that has been implicitly confirmed by today's terrorist threat level actions.

JB

[stickdog]

87. This is in response to credible threats

of Rove's cover being blown on the Hussein capture fairy tale.

[DemoTex]

91. I think the regime just "fessed-up" to 9/11. Again. In a tangential way.

I was watching NBC Nightly News. Tom Ridge said, something to the effect, that not since 9/11 has the nation's risk of attack been so high. Tom, if the warnings were so prevalent leading up to 9/11, why weren't the airlines given timely security info? Why wasn't the public warned about the high threats to commercial air travel (like John Ashcroft obviously was)? Nevermind answering, Tom. I know the answer. LIHOP. Bastards. A good friend , a fellow airline captain, had his wife killed at the Pentagon crash. She was a flight attendent on the American Airlines B-757 that augered into the Pentagon.

Nevermind, also, that your credibility is zero, Tom. Maybe you have intelligence, maybe you don't. We have heard the cry of "Wolf!" too often. I might eat my words in a week or two. These are words that I never hope to eat ... bitter words, indeed. But I don't trust you bastards. Your "orange" has me seeing "red."

[0007]

94. Doing any flying lately?

Here is some information on Thomas Kean. Disregard if you've seen it.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO212A.html

[karlschneider]

98. "not since 9/11"...that sounds like a Freudian slip to me...

Got any snow up there at the ranch yet Mac? :D

[DemoTex]

103. Naw, I'm in a permanent "no fly" zone. No snow either.

But it is cold as hell up here, Karl. It was 15-F this morning. Warms up quick though. I'm in hog heaven.

[peacetalksforall]

96. Ramblin' thoughts...

if the alert is concocted, perhaps it's timed to conincide with the deadline looming for the 9-11 victims - they have to decide if they are going to settle for the little handful of dollars that they government wants to pay them for their loved ones value - and sign away their privilege to raise their voice against the massacre.

On the other hand - they are giving Dean a reward - something they would never want to do otherwise

- unless, unless Dean is their man.

I've noticed that my straight forward approach to truth and expectations about truth went down the hole with this lying group of people? And it started with the Iran-Contra lie for me because they got away with it - and they keep trying to run a secret sub-government that is anti-citizen.

[chessman]

99. Ramblin Thoughts

No it has to do with Bush's grinch complex and how he intends to restrict Santa from flying this year. The military is on high alert looking for this UFO and have been told to "bring him in dead or alive". You know how he is after all.

Ahhh... Perhaps these changing of colors is affecting the minds of normally reasonable people who used to debate facts and use logic. Bush is now using subliminal methods to cause democrats to begin ranting and raving like a bunch of lunatics. This will allow Bush to then throw us all into concentration camps and the HE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!! HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA.....

Come on guys..... GET A GRIP!

[mouse7]

108. They don't want to give Dean boost on security issue

An organized boost to Dean's campaign by neo-cons would be something that would increase Dean's standing in the Democratic Party base but continue to be a wedge issue among the center and right.

Examples would be having a flaming righty rant about how evil homosexuals are or have another judge throw another tacky 10 commandments statue in a public building. Dean could score among the party faithful, but the right wing base would get all excited for Dumbya, too.

Giving Dean more national security credibility is about the worst thing they could have done.

[Vogon_Glory]

101. Elevated Terror Threat: Wingnut Response

Of course we all know how the so-called "Personal Responsibility" party and their wing-nut allies will respond to three years of Dubya's watch and the diversion of intelligence and military assets to Iraq.

One, two, three, shout "IT'S ALL BILL CLINTON'S FAULT!"

:P :crazy: :tinfoilhat:

[FlemingsGhost]

104. I'm not afraid. Never was...

Another 9/11-type attack?

I double-dog dare BushCo. to draw from that well again.

[osaMABUSh]

106. IF there is an attack now what does this do to do * politically?

What will *'s poll numbers do if we are attacked? Two possibilities: they sky rocket like after 9/11 because America rallies around the President again OR they plummet dramatically because * failed to make us more secure since 9/11 ?

[mouse7]

109. Will decrease Dean's negatives in polls

I'm kinda guessing to most visible effect will be to reduce dean's negatives.

Security isn't really an issue people choose candidates on. People don't love a candidate because of their security stands. It's more of an issue that people eliminate candidates on, and decide they can or can't tolerate that candidate. So people are left with a list of candidates they would and wouldn't feel safe with, and then choose a candidate to "love" from those candidates remaining on their "safe" list.