Dean insists U.S. still no safer

[joefree1]

Dean insists U.S. still no safer
December 22, 2003
BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Washington Bureau Chief

LITCHFIELD, N.H. -- Howard Dean punched back Sunday at his Democratic rivals who have been stepping up their attacks on the former Vermont governor.
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Dean said America is still not safer because the Bush administration is lacking an inspection program for cargo; missed an opportunity to buy enriched uranium stockpiles of former Soviet states and allowed North Korea to become a nuclear power.
Dean said the raising of the threat level to "orange'' on Sunday proved his point.
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-dean22.html

I won't feel any safer until that White House squatting frat boy is sent back to Crawford, Texas. And I will support any of the Democratic candidates in that effort!

How Dean could win: A conservative's view
An influential Bush supporter sees the Democratic front-runner as a credible challenger to the president
By William Kristol, Washington Post
http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/insight/article/0,1713,BDC_2494_2499900,00.html

"If you have no enemies, it is a sign fortune has forgot you."
- Thomas Fuller (1608 - 1661)

[grannylib]

1. Glad he brought up the point about the elevated terror alert; what a

bunch of shit this misadministration is trying to pull on us...

[LiberalFighter]

16. We should had been on EXTREME alert

as soon as that idiot took over the White House.

[9119495]

2. So glad he is saying it.

The other dems look pretty stupid asserting it does make us safer. If dems lose in 04, there will be a chapter in a Franken book about how stupid democrats were to think we'd be safer wih SH gone.

Also, what if there is a real reason for the elevated terror alert? Wouldn't an attack this week have to be interpreted as retaliation for Hussein's capture? (Even though al-queda didn't like him).

[joefree1]

3. I doubt it but

Pretty much everybody is saying Saddam wasn't even controlling the insurgency in Iraq.

However given that most Americans think Saddam was "personally involved" in 9/11 I guess reality and fact might not having affect on folk's opinion.


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[ClintonTyree]

4. Yeah..............

half the sheeple in this country suspend their disbelief whenever it comes to anything said by the Bush administration. They just don't want to know or are too damn lazy to take an active role in finding out the truth. It burns my ass to a cinder.

[Gman]

5. Mary Matalin said it best about Dean on MTP

MS. MATALIN: I think his ability to speak his mind is initially impressive. But he also appears to be the kind of guy who lets no thought go unexpressed. It's like--and he says he has inconsistent thoughts. There's a difference between speaking your mind and saying everything that floats through your mind.

This huge problem with Dean will mean if Dean's nominated, we'll probably start planning 2008 immediately.

[RetroLounge]

9. Never miss a chnace to Bash Dean, hey?

and now we are quoting right wing media whores?

Doesn't Mary Matalin work for Cheney? So you endorse Cheney and his minions by quoting them to support your views?

So sad...

[ThomC]

17. Quoting someone now means you endorse them?

So sad indeed...

[Gman]

20. Hmmm... I don't suppose you ever took a logic course did you?

[windansea]

44. hehehehe

the OP quotes a RW source!

[madfloridian]

10. You agree with Mary Matalin?

A previous Cheney advisor, wasn't she? Big time Republican.
Wow, we sure are listening to right wing folks a lot now.

[Gman]

18. I agree 100% with Mary Matalin on this one

because Matalin's 100% correct. Matalin's one of the best in the business and she has Dean sized up correctly.

Now, please explain what Cheney or the right wing has to do with Dean's propensity to speak not only his mine, but everything that's on his mind?

[stickdog]

40. Dean gives Bush no quarter --

which is EXACTLY what Bush deserves.

Anything Dems concede can and will be used against them. Dean's the only one who seems to understand this concept.

[He loved Big Brother]

13. Tsk tsk Gman

Quoting the righties...your hatred of a fellow Democrat with fine ideals has driven you to that? SAD.

[Gman]

19. See my post above...Matalin is 100% correct on this one

[jamesinca]

21. Even Gen. Clark says Iraq is a waste of time

He has stated that it is nothing but a side show or a distraction from the war on terror. This is essentially the same thing that Dean has said. Since Iraq is nothing but an attempt to divert our attention, the capture of Hussein is nothing but another act in this play. Act one is over with out costume change and Clark and Dean are saying the same things.

[trapper914]

25. I'm a Dean supporter...

...but I agree with you. Dean needs to be more careful. He doesn't have to change message...just make sure his facts are checked and his words are measured.

[RetroLounge]

34. Of course, the right wing is always correct

when they support your views.

So sad.

[RetroLounge]

35. Agreeing with Matalin?

Any port in a storm...

[LiberalFighter]

15. Which is better???

Dean with HIS inconsistent thoughts OR the moron pResident's (Mis)Speak??


Excerpts from Presidential (Mis)Speak: The Very Curious Language of George W Bush Vol.2

To Arkansas Governor Huckabee
"I know something about being a government, and you've got a good o
one."

To Saddam Hussein
"When Iraq is liberated, you will be treated, tried and persecuted as a war criminal."

Bush's priorities in making tax cuts permanent
"You've got to have certainty in the system that requires risk."

"One of the problems we have is enought people can't find work in America."

[dave29]

22. because Mary Matalin

has an impartial view

:wtf:

[Ksec]

28. so yer quoting Matalin? Woa !

[stickdog]

39. Yep. Dean never got the memo that said, "Thou shalt not criticize Chimpy

about anything that REALLY matters."

Too bad so many other Dems read the memo as if it were legally binding.

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

41. unoriginal quip

She probably remembered that little line about speaking your mind from her last cocktail party and was looking for the chance to lay it on Dean. Trouble is that Dean is not talking out his ass. He's telling it straight. That's why he's doing so well.

[Triana]

6. if we're safer with Saddaam caught, why the 'orange' alert?

Even Tom Ridge agrees with Dean. We are NOT safer just because the Kurds caught Sadaam.

[Kool Kitty]

50. My sentiments exactly.

What, if we catch Osama, do we go to red?

[davhill]

7. Will a 9/11 type attack right now help or hurt Bush?

It may lead to some sort of martial law and the elections being suspended. It might cause another unwarranted but huge outpouring support for our President wrapped in the flag. I can't see it helping the Democrats. People don't like to be told I told you so.

[Patriot_Spear]

11. Definately hurt Shrub: Terror attack now = Failure Bush* 'Terra' War

my two cents.

[trapper914]

26. To hear conservatives talk...

...I think it would hurt Bush this time around. They've made it a point of saying, "We haven't been attacked since 9/11." Hello?! Prior to 2001, it was 8 years. Al Qaeda has been very methodical in their attacks on U.S. soil. No attacks in two years proves nothing with regard to the security of this nation. If it happens again on Bush's watch...it hurts him on the domestic security issue as well as on the economic issue, as the markets will no doubt take another hit.

[Algorem]

8. Sure we're safer,Bush just thinks orange is more Christmassy.

[yellowcanine]

12. Dean nailed it

That was exactly my response when I saw the raising of the terror threat to "orange". How has Saddam's capture made us safer? I suspect that the sniping at Dean about his statement will be stopped cold - and should we actually have an attack dare we hape that some of the snipers will have the balls to say to Dean, "You know, you were right."?

[Tracer]

14. Television Hyping the Alert for All it's Worth.

Which isn't much.

Romney on the noon news blathering about the Orange Alert in one sentence and in the next, saying there are no specifics Ñ so get busy and finish your shopping.

[midnight armadillo]

24. What IS the deal with that?

Watch out for terrorists! Shop til you drop! Fly around the country!

Which is is, dangerous or not? So important Romney runs on back from Utah to deal with nothing? Huh? This terror alert isn't worth the orange ink it's printed with.

[lebkuchen]

23. The US isn't even fucking safe from the flu

How does Bush manage to protect it from a box cutter?

[Ksec]

27. happy to see hes not

falling into the "Democratic say something true and then back away when the Reich wing feigns disgust in your unpatriotic rant"

How many times have we said something and then theres a big outroar against it by Repubs , then we crawl into a fetal position and cower , apologizing profusely.

Good to see Dean is sticking to his guns. Fuk them and the boat they came in on. What Dean said was true!

[TopesJunkie]

29. What? He's going to lie and say we are safer? Why would he do that?

[Debi]

30. I don't know...

Why don't you ask Joe Lieberman, Dick Gephardt, John Kerry, John Edwards and Wes Clark!

[TopesJunkie]

31. They all said, "We are safer."?

[Debi]

32. Yup!

And they said that Dean saying America wasn't safer was the reason no one should support his candidacy....and then the Terror alert went to Orange...

The four who voted for the war are also (now) talking about how good it was that they voted for it...different than August huh guys!

[TopesJunkie]

33. So they've all pulled the switcheroo?

Even Clark said "We are safer?" Wow!

[RetroLounge]

36. and then the Terror alert went to Orange...

Sarcasm

Well, it's just part of the RW Conspiracy to get Dean Nominated.

/Sarcasm


edit: spelling

[Debi]

37. Those crazy Republicans will do anything...

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

[stickdog]

38. Would any Lieberman or Kerry supporters care to offer a rebuttal? (nt)

[Debi]

42. Are there any left ....

Or have they all gone to undecided???

[Sterling]

43. I really liked Clark but that is too much.

Dean is right, he is one of us. He thinks like we do.

[nolabuzz]

47. ou

Geaux Tigers :P

(Sorry, couldn't resist).

[nolabuzz]

46. I wonder how aggressively Lieberman will support the nominee?

Sometimes I wonder if Lieberman secretly wishes he could go to the White House and put on Dick Cheney's lucky "I'm with Stupid" t-shirt. Lieberman definitely wants to be part of the team. I'm just not sure which one.

[windansea]

45. Dean says

americans no safer from terrorists with SH capture = correct

SH has no ties to Al Queda = correct

raised terror alert produced by increased Al Queda intel NOT BY SADDAM CAPTURE

ergo: no linkage between events

conclusion: Dean statement meaningless!

[number6]

48. U.S. won't be safe until Bush is gone.

nuff said

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

49. Unless Dead speaks up, the media won't cover him

It should be fairly easy for him to get media coverage since all he has to do is state the obvious, what most elected democrats have been loathe to do.

The Bushies realize this, and so they criticize him for "talking too much."

The US is not safer; it's much worse off than before "shock and awe." It wouldn't surprise anybody, including Tom Ridge, if a terrorist were to plow a plane into 3 Mile Island. We'd be awed, but we wouldn't be shocked.