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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 07:39 AM
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Sunnis complain about Baghdad barrier
Source: AP

BAGHDAD - A wall U.S. troops are building around a Sunni enclave in Baghdad came under increasing criticism on Saturday, with residents calling it "collective punishment" and a local leader saying construction began without the neighborhood council's approval.

The U.S. military says the wall in Baghdad is meant to secure the minority Sunni community of Azamiyah, which "has been trapped in a spiral of sectarian violence and retaliation." The area, located on the eastern side of the Tigris River, would be completely gated, with entrances and exits manned by Iraqi soldiers, the U.S. military said earlier this week.

But some residents of the neighborhood, which is surrounded by Shiite areas, complained that they had not been consulted in advance about the barrier.

"This will make the whole district a prison. This is collective punishment on the residents of Azamiyah," said Ahmed al-Dulaimi, a 41-year-old engineer who lives in the area. "They are going to punish all of us because of a few terrorists here and there."



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_070420192836
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 08:00 AM
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1. Yippee! More ways for Iraqis to die.
Edited on Sat Apr-21-07 08:02 AM by Chipper Chat
Like this East Berliner who bled to death after being shot by East German guards while attempting to cross the border.

Another day in Bushiraqa, where things are improving all the time.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 08:37 AM
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2. So who knew Sunni Arabs don't like being treated like Warsaw Jews? Didn't Sadr say
Edited on Sat Apr-21-07 08:58 AM by papau
Sunni's should be forced to wear distinctive clothing - or was that a thought about some other group in some other part of the world? It gets so hard to remember all the new ideas since the Bush revolution began to install Democracy and oil rights and pricing programs around the world. Maybe someone in the media can get permission to look it up?

But I do recall that in mid-November 1940 the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw was sealed off by a high wall. Its construction took many months to complete. The work was carried out by the construction firm Schmidt & Münstermann, based on 8/3 Mars Street, which later helped building the Treblinka death camp. The ghetto wall was 3.5 m high, topped by glass and barbed wire. The Nazis did not use the term ghetto, but referred to the area as Jüdischer Wohnbezirk (Jewish Quarter). And a leading advocate of this Nazi initiative was the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin Al-Husseini.

Why should the Sunnis complain about our Baghdad barrier http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_070420192836 ? It was the the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin Al-Husseini and his Muslim Brotherhood, that took the Sunni of Saudi Arabia Wahhabi concept of Islamic Jihad as a key tool to rally pan-Islamic support to further his agenda of Pan-Islamic take-over, as the Arab World must be free of any non-Islamic faith meaning Jews and Christians. While he spends WW2 in Germany at Hitler’s side establishing Muslim Nazi troops and getting getting heavily involved in the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Serbs, he founds the Arab League with Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen and is appointed to President in Absentia of Fourth Higher Committee of Arab League, getting post WW2 Egypt and Syria to incorporate thousands of Nazi experts into Egyptian and Syrian army, government and propaganda service, as the Vatican helps out via providing travel visas for those Nazi officers, and as Amin Al-Husseini's buddy Francois Genoud, Swiss banker of Third Reich, finances the ODESSA network with money stolen from murdered European Jews.

So now wall building around Iraq Sunni's is bad? I bet Syria and Egypt will both support the no wall plea and also not see the irony.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 09:14 AM
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3. ANOTHER thing the US military has in common with the nazis nt
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 09:40 AM
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4. How ironic that here in the US the elite
gate their communities because they want to keep others out while elsewhere in the world these sorts of barriers are considered a collective punishment and a type of prison.

Just this week people living in a tract of McMansions in my area asked for permission to gate themselves in because of a rash of auto break-ins on their streets. They leave their big SUV's out in the driveway unlocked with cell phones and laptops visible on the seats and then express surprise and dismay when those items are stolen in the dead of night. One guy had the nerve to publically proclaim that he and his neighbors needed the gates because of their "affluence."

Anyhow, I've been looking for an angle for a letter to the editor on this, and, thanks to the Sunnis and their protest of the wall being built by US troops, I think I've found it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:02 PM
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5. Sunnis complain about Baghdad barrier
Source: ap



Sunnis complain about Baghdad barrier

By SINAN SALAHEDDIN, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 12 minutes ago

BAGHDAD - A wall U.S. troops are building around a Sunni enclave in Baghdad came under increasing criticism on Saturday, with residents calling it "collective punishment" and a local leader saying construction began without the neighborhood council's approval.


The U.S. military says the wall in Baghdad is meant to secure the minority Sunni community of Azamiyah, which "has been trapped in a spiral of sectarian violence and retaliation." The area, located on the eastern side of the Tigris River, would be completely gated, with entrances and exits manned by Iraqi soldiers, the U.S. military said earlier this week.

But some residents of the neighborhood, which is surrounded by Shiite areas, complained that they had not been consulted in advance about the barrier.

"This will make the whole district a prison. This is collective punishment on the residents of Azamiyah," said Ahmed al-Dulaimi, a 41-year-old engineer who lives in the area. "They are going to punish all of us because of a few terrorists here and there."..........

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=AnqQx6VWqA1.18maX_97WTis0NUE






4 years later and the answer is a WALL!!
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:02 PM
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6. King Shrub has done a magnificent
job of spreading democracy to the middle east!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:02 PM
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7. Approval? George W. Bush don't need no stinkin' neighborhood council approval.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:02 PM
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8. We never
Edited on Sat Apr-21-07 12:02 PM by JTFrog
learn our lesson or perhaps we repeat our mistakes because the same guys keep hanging around.

We've been there done that.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:02 PM
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9. The only way
to put an end to this insanity is to leave. NOW, not 2008, not 2009, NOW.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:02 PM
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10. All those responsible in approving building this wall should be shot!
Iraq does not belong to us. We should not be making the decisions. Any decisions that the Iraqi government makes should be made with all foreign liberators out of the country. The Iraqi government cannot properly pass laws or make decisions when a foreign occupier controls the laws and decisions that are made.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 01:26 PM
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11. Sunni leader attacks Baghdad wall
Source: BBC

Last Updated: Saturday, 21 April 2007, 13:45 GMT 14:45 UK

Sunni leader attacks Baghdad wall

A senior Sunni politician has condemned a US military project
to build a concrete wall around a Sunni enclave in the Iraqi
capital, Baghdad.

US forces say the wall, which will separate Adhamiya from
nearby Shia districts, aims to prevent sectarian violence
between the two communities.

But Adnan al-Dulaimi, who heads the biggest Sunni bloc in
parliament, says it will breed yet more strife.

-snip-

Senior Sunni cleric Adnan al-Dulaimi, who leads the General
Council for the People of Iraq which is part of the Iraqi
Accord Front, said the wall was a disaster.

Speaking to an Iraqi news agency, he said it would separate
Adhamiya from the rest of Baghdad and help breed further
violence.

-snip-

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6579335.stm
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:19 AM
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12. after 4 years------and a WALL in the answer??
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:44 AM
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13. What happened to the infamous "Mr. Gorbachov: tear down that wall"
from the neocons' idol? :shrug:

What? They don't recall? :sarcasm:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:15 PM
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14. So who knew Sunni Arabs don't like being treated like Warsaw Jews? Didn't Sadr say Sunni's should be
So who knew Sunni Arabs don't like being treated like Warsaw Jews? Didn't Sadr say Sunni's should be forced to wear distinctive clothing - or was that a thought about some other group in some other part of the world? It gets so hard to remember all the new ideas since the Bush revolution began to install Democracy and oil rights and pricing programs around the world. Maybe someone in the media can get permission to look it up?

But I do recall that in mid-November 1940 the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw was sealed off by a high wall. Its construction took many months to complete. The work was carried out by the construction firm Schmidt & Münstermann, based on 8/3 Mars Street, which later helped building the Treblinka death camp. The ghetto wall was 3.5 m high, topped by glass and barbed wire. The Nazis did not use the term ghetto, but referred to the area as Jüdischer Wohnbezirk (Jewish Quarter). And a leading advocate of this Nazi initiative was the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin Al-Husseini.

Why should the Sunnis complain about our Baghdad barrier http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_070420192836? It was the the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin Al-Husseini and his Muslim Brotherhood, that took the Sunni of Saudi Arabia Wahhabi concept of Islamic Jihad as a key tool to rally pan-Islamic support to further his agenda of Pan-Islamic take-over, as the Arab World must be free of any non-Islamic faith meaning Jews and Christians. While he spends WW2 in Germany at Hitler’s side establishing Muslim Nazi troops and getting getting heavily involved in the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Serbs, he founds the Arab League with Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen and is appointed to President in Absentia of Fourth Higher Committee of Arab League, getting post WW2 Egypt and Syria to incorporate thousands of Nazi experts into Egyptian and Syrian army, government and propaganda service, as the Vatican helps out via providing travel visas for those Nazi officers, and as Amin Al-Husseini's buddy Francois Genoud, Swiss banker of Third Reich, finances the ODESSA network with money stolen from murdered European Jews.

So now wall building around Iraq Sunni's is bad? I bet Syria and Egypt will both support the no wall plea and also not see the irony.
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