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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 11:56 PM
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Clinton mediating on Kashmir
http://www.dawn.com/2003/12/25/top6.htm

25 December 2003

ISLAMABAD, Dec 24: President Gen Pervez Musharraf has told the Kashmiri leaders that former US president Bill Clinton has been unofficially mediating between India and Pakistan to help them hold talks early next year to resolve the dispute.

At a meeting with the Kashmiri leaders on Monday, the president hoped to see Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee on Jan 6 in Islamabad, an informed source told Dawn on Wednesday.

Officials are working on a plan under which either the president would invite Mr Vajpayee for informal talks over tea or the Indian primer would call on Mr Musharraf under the conventional protocol. The president said Mr Clinton was in "regular contact" with him and Mr Vajpayee, and was keeping the Bush administration abreast of the situation.

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The president quoted Mr Clinton as having said that he had been asked by the Indian prime minister whether Gen Musharraf could be trusted. "The reply by Mr Clinton was that the Pakistani president could be trusted as he sincerely wanted to push forward the peace process for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute," the source said.



How nice to see a real President working with other countries to make the world a more peaceful place. Kashmir has been a mess for way too long. 1000's of people have died in this conflict has a result. Let's hope that Clinton is successful in helping to resolve this conflict.

Merry Christmas and Peace Be With Everyone at DU.

PBWY
DYEW
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 12:00 AM
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1. Could anyone here see Bush doing this after he leaves office?
Of course not. Clinton, in my opinion, is a statesman - something Bush will never be.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 12:20 AM
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4. First Bush would have to know the definition of 'mediate'
and be able to use it in a sentence.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 02:04 PM
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25. "Mediate -- ain't that a hippie thing where you sits cross-legged?"
"An' burns that smellin' stuff ... 'insensitive', or somethin' like that?"
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:27 AM
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11. His dad is not doing this and neither will little Geo.
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 03:28 AM by jamesinca
The older Bush is working for Carlyle and getting defense contracts set up, not out being a statesman. You can bet the younger Bush will go back to eating pretzels, making fundraisers for the GOP, pressing congress for more tax cuts to his business etc.. He will not go about helping other countries like Carter and Clinton. Bush may even go back to ethyl once he has no need to keep up the charade of Christianity.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:23 AM
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19. Bush thinks Kashmir is a sweater
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 07:42 PM
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20. Or an old Zepplin tune
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 12:13 AM
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21. Ah...those words...
"after he leaves office" are music to my ears. I don't give a flying f*ck what he does! As long as he is no longer president, the world will be a brighter place.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 12:08 AM
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2. isn`t that a
zepplin tune? oh by the way, hillary`s book is a best seller in china
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 12:12 AM
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3. No wonder things have suddenly gotten better!!
Seriously, all of a sudden they were talking, flights were going back and forth, the troops along the LoC put down there arms, as if by magic...

except it was Bill Clinton all along.

Oh, and just before that he convinced foreign drug cos. (many Indian cos.) to manufacture generic AIDS drugs, lowering their costs...and thereby gave 2-3 million people a chance at a life!

God, this man is awful!!! What a disgrace to America!! I'm sure Bush will devote himself to good works like these after he leaves office...not!
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 12:58 AM
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5. Seriously... I wondered where that conflict went to
Those two were threatening to nuke each other a few months ago. The rhetoric was flowing at late 50's/early 60's Cold War levels for a long time. Then it just vanished.

I should have known Clinton or Carter was involved.

Kashmir has been a disaster for almost a half-century. If Bill Clinton solves this one, a Nobel Peace Prize is in the bag.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:39 AM
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6. Presidents of other countries requests the Big Dog to mediate.
That probably won't happen when shrubnuts is out of office.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 02:28 AM
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7. Clinton for UN Secty General!
Wouldn't that make the wingnuts froth at the mouth!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:11 AM
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12. Citizens of the permanent 5 cannot be Sect General IIRC
Although I may be wrong.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:44 AM
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23. Please, you want Clinton in a position that the US and Israel won't block
No one can be successful at the UN, thanks to the US and Israel.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 02:30 AM
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8. If anyone can get a message to him, please ask him to be
very careful on planes in that area.
Especially if they are provided by *.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 02:40 AM
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9. Kashmir? Wow. Wow.
The Big Dog doesn't think small, does he. Best of luck to him.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 02:40 AM
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10. This is good news indeed.
President Clinton has had good diplomatic experience and he has respect with many nations. I hope he gets dramatic results from his efforts. God bless the man for trying to bring some good into this world instead of the diet of death and destruction Bush cooks up.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 07:08 AM
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13. Freepers will accuse him of interfering
or grandstanding etc. No matter. Everyone with opened eyes and gray matter will understand the significance.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 07:37 AM
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14. That's a given. If anyone can pull it off, it will be Clinton.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 08:20 AM
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15. Merry Christmas Big Dog....you are missed more than you know.
gin
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:52 AM
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16. Wouldn't anybody have the current administration's permission to negotiate
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:02 AM
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17. According to the article
the Bu$h administration is being kept informed and does approve of Clinton's efforts in finding a solution to this conflict.
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chromotone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 04:57 PM
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27. Mediating for world peace...
No wonder the GOP had to call in someone from the outside. They don't have the knowledge or expertise to do it themselves!
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:10 AM
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18. Could Bush be trying to co -opt.... You know, keep your friends close...
and your enemies closer ?


Just a thought .... :)
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 05:24 AM
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22. Clinton could get elected President of the World
if there were such an office.

He has the respect of the people worldwide. A little shakey on the home front tho, he might not carry his own state.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:46 AM
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24. What an odd and unique idea ~ Working towards peace
How can the GOP Profit from that? :shrug:
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 02:14 PM
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26. in the old days, the US would often be called upon to arbitrate disputes
Americans were trusted by many nations to be fair and even-handed, and not grab things for themselves a la Halliburton.

There is a state in Paraguay named "Presidente Hayes" in honor of the American leader because his administration was called in to mediate in the war between Paraguay and Bolivia. Former President Clinton is attempting to continue in this tradition (as is his predecessor, Jimmy Carter).

But at the rate things are going, Bush is going to ruin this for everyone. Alas, nobody will trust the US even to divide up the lunch bill at an international summit! Not as long as he and his cronies are in charge.
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