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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:54 PM
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Bush pledges his allegiance to beef
U.S. President George W. Bush has no plans to stop eating beef despite growing U.S. worries about mad cow disease, a White House spokesman says.

"He's continued to eat beef," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters travelling with the president to his ranch. The U.S. food supply is safe and public risk from the discovery of the disease is low, McClellan added.

The president had had beef "in the last couple of days," McClellan said.

Economic stakes in the U.S. mad cow scare rose as Venezuela and Egypt joined some two dozen nations that have halted imports of U.S. beef. Food company stocks and cattle prices tumbled as investors worried that U.S. consumers could begin to eat less beef.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031227/325/ehw4m.html
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:55 PM
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1. I'm able now to make an accurate diagnosis
Thank you.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:55 PM
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2. He should be pledging his allegiance to something else..
He should be pledging allegiance to whatever comes out of the beef's backside.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:57 PM
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3. Bu$h doesn't have to worry
He doesn't have a brain.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:01 PM
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4. He has the diet of a 13-yr. old
and can't imagine life without his beloved cheeseburgers.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:01 PM
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5. is beef the cause
of mad cowboy disease?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:08 PM
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10. " Is beef the cause of mad cowboy disease?" - Well, I dunno, but
.
.
.

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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:37 PM
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14. a thing called a "prion" is responsible
I posted this in a thread a few days ago. I hope it helps. By the way this is a fine day to become a vegetarian.
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Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) is its name, it is also called mad cow disease. It is a disease similar to scrapie. It emerged in cattle in Great Britan in 1986, and by 1995 there had been 150,000 cases. This outbreak was traced to the use of cattle feed that contained contaminated bone meal from scrapie-infected sheep carcasses (cross species spread) and BSE-infected cattle carcasses processed in a way that failed to destroy the infectivity of the infectious agent. The use of such cattle feed was prohibited in 1988. BSE has also been found in other European countries.

In 1996, a variant form of Creutzfeld-Jakob disease was recognized in the United Kingdom that occured in younger people and had distinctive pathologic characteristics similar to those seen in macaques infected with the BSE agent. The concern, whose validity is still unconfirmed, is that the BSE agent has spread to humans through ingestion of BSE-infected tissues.

It is a degenerative Central Nervous System (CNS) disease. It is described as subacute spongiform viral encephalopathies. It is caused by a thing know as a prion. It is not a virus or bacteria! They are sensitive to about 90% phenol, bleach, ether, acetone, iodine disinfectants and autoclaving. None of which can be done to humans without killing them. You can not put phenol or bleach into your veins or CNS.

There are several hallmarks of diseases casued by prions. They are confined to the nervous system. The basic lesion is a progressive vacuolation in neurons, an extensive astroglial hypertrophy and proliferation, and then a spongiform change in the gray matter. If making the brain look like a sponge is not enough, amyloid plaques may be present. Amyloid plaques are the same things that are present in Alzheimers disease. They have long incubation periods of months to decades, just like AIDS / HIV. This is followed by chronic progressive illness of weeks to years. The diseases are ALWAYS fatal, with no know remissions or recoveries. Ths host shows no inflammatory or immune response.

In short it can take years for this disease of the nervous system to start showing signs, it will present like Alzheimers disease and turn your brain into something that looks like a sponge or Swiss cheese. After the clinical manifestations appear, up to a decade later, it is usually weeks to months before death.

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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:53 PM
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41. thanks jamesinca
but my comment in post #5 was intended to be ironic.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:06 PM
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6. I wonder if he pledges daily?
I Bush....Pledge allegiance to the beef
of the United States of America,
One herd...Under God...with steaks and
ribs for all.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:07 PM
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7. Doing the 'Mad Cow' is when you stand on your head
and drink from a keg that's being pumped by your frat brothers.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:07 PM
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8. Eat some from WA state then you AHOLE.
Edited on Fri Dec-26-03 11:07 PM by sfg25
To pres. DUMMY:

That's a state out west and not the same place where you're illegally occupying that WH.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:07 PM
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9. Keep eating
Keep eating
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:16 AM
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19. Yes, we can only hope that Bush eats TONS of beef!!
Let's hope for the best!

:bounce:

Cheers,
Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/

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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 07:00 PM
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45. Cheney needs to gooble it up, too -- and AshKKKroft, Rove, etc..
The entire Bush dictatorship needs to eat as much beef as possible.

Cheers,
:)-Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/
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carols Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 08:08 PM
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48. Beef for breakfast, Beef for lunch, Beef for tea-time, Beef for dinner and
Beef for that all-important midnight snack...
Carol
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 10:07 PM
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49. In fact, lets have an "all you can eat BBQ" for all of 'em!
With a "special Canadian flair" if you know what I mean.

:)
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Lil_Stinker Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 03:06 PM
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57. Yes, we can only hope that Bush eats TONS of beef!!"
Tell me.. how can he eat beef when he can't even eat one lousy pretzel?

LS
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:16 PM
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11. We know of his allegiance to the BFEE!
but what about BEEF!
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 02:52 PM
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56. Aren't they pretty much the
same thing?? Or maybe monkey boy's dyslexia is acting up again??
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:21 PM
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12. Is GW falling down again? Geez.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:36 PM
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13. Gee the folks in the UK most be laughing
Think people, didn't John Major do exactly THIS?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:41 PM
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15. That would be the FORMER prime minister?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:09 AM
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25. Yes and Carlyle group member
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:43 PM
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16. have some mad cow George
the madness of King (smirk) George
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:00 AM
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17. I doubt it.
Here in the U.S., we've gone back to the Medieval Times of rulership. We have out own Feudal Lord, and we are the serfs.

In those days, they had 'food tasters', poor wretches who had to be the guinea pigs for the kind. I'm sure he has one, or else he's importing his hamburger patties from Argentina.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:03 AM
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18. Hmmm...worshipping the golden calf...I seem to recall something about that
He is a "cowboy", after all...

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:18 AM
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20. LIKE WE COULD EVER TELL IF THAT STUPID F*** HAD MAD COW
what a f***ing dipshit.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:51 AM
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21. The irony
I've been asking "where's the beef?" in this administration for three years.

Bush has had a "beef" with nearly every country, and it contents, since WH inception.

The Great Spirits do have a sense of humor when meting out Bush's karma chits.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:36 AM
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22. Destroy the cattle industry
and you destroy Bush's favorite hobby of cattle mutilation...
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:40 AM
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23. Dubya-I pledge allegiance to the United Steaks of Umerica
and to the Cattlemen from whom I raise million...
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:43 AM
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24. Expect to see him with a meatball in each hand
Yelling "Bring it on, mad cows".
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:19 AM
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26. Bawahahahahaha
Expect to see him with a meatball in each hand yelling "Bring it on, mad cows".

Most excellent point, daleo! LMAF

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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 10:16 PM
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50. Yes that was pretty funny!
I must admit :)
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 03:37 AM
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27. Do you have to say "undergod" when you pledge allegience to beef?
eom
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 05:07 AM
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28. He's probably secretly eating organically raised beef.
He can afford to.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 05:24 AM
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29. Ah memories of UK's Gummer

May 1990:
Agriculture minister John Gummer attempts to allay public fears about the safety of beef by feeding his daughter, Cordelia, a hamburger.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 06:18 AM
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30. I understand from a foreign newspaper source
...translated for me by wife, that there were two widespread outbreaks of this earlier in the twentieth century here in the States. Large numbers of people were affected.

There are technological means to track individual cows alive and dead and their history and genealogy. They are not being used widely because of the marginal costs which cut into profit margins. The fact that the disease has a latent nature places this public health threat in the classic industry versus consumer posture. American spot testing of beef for the disorder is woefully inadequate compared to Canada and Great Britain.

There will be large numbers of products liability lawsuits if this problem is not contained.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:04 AM
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37. Must be one of the reasons he's pushing so hard for torte reform. Gotta
limit the amount folks can sue for. They'll reimburse you the cost of the rump roast. :evilgrin:
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:01 PM
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40. Teryang, do you have any more info on the previous outbreaks?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 07:07 AM
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31. no, that can't be right. bush already pledged his allegiance to the oil
industry, the military-industrial complex, the death penalty, the neo-cons, the religious right and the ultra-rich. i don't think he has any more allegiance left to pledge. he's over-pledged already.
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Vis Numar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 08:18 AM
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32. Let's hope
<i>White House officials said that the U.S. beef supply is safe for consumers and a spokesman said President Bush continues to eat beef.</i>
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 08:49 AM
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34. Isn't it just
...don't eat brains or spinal tissue? Striated muscle meat is just fine? Or do I not understand prion diseases? :shrug:
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 10:54 AM
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36. Depends on butchering techniques, blades can be contaminated
particularly spinal tissue as the brain is easy to avoid.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:09 AM
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38. Until the ban in '97, that's what they'd grind up into the cattle feed.
But remember we are soooo deregulated now, they still grind this stuff up for chicken and pork feed, some can easily get into the cattle feed as well. Ever been to a big feedmill operation? It's not like they clean out the elevators each time they are emptied or they change what they toss into them.

All they can do is test every animal on its way to slaughter, incinerate those that fail, and stop grinding cattle up for other animal feed. The testing would only add 2 to 3 cents per pound for chrissake!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:22 AM
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39. Here's a link that's pretty interesting, the guy who won a Nobel prize
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 08:39 AM
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33. Wish they made pretzels out of beef.
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cowpie Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:14 AM
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35. ground beef
is apparently the dangerous stuff. I hope the problem is contained, but if the cows don't have stockpiles of WMD's they will get little attention.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:56 PM
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42. He'll eat the beef...
because ALL of his food is fed to mice first...if they die, he doesn't eat it.
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 06:26 PM
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43. I hope more consumers stop eating beef!
I don't see how that's a bad thing.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 07:16 PM
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46. only to the beef industry
i will now only eat beef bought from REPUTABLE and CERTIFIED markets, i.e., my local co-op. they explained exactly where they get their beef (locally, in california), how the ranch operates, and their entire meat policy on the phone.

sure, it's going to cost more, but i won't be eating as much of it either.
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BentleyJD Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 06:49 PM
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44. oh well
since Bush is lacking a brain, he's safe anyway.
"If I only had a brain."
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 07:24 PM
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47. How foolish can he be?
He can have all the beef he wants.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 10:17 PM
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51. Maybe his livestock were grown in petri dishes
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:05 PM
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52. I pledge allegiance to the beef
of the United States of America. And to the hoof for which it stands one cow or holstein visible with liberty and steaks for all....

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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 07:39 AM
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53. Any Brits here?
Maybe we could remind the Bushies of John Selwyn Gummer.

Sad to see you lot have all this BSE gumph too.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:31 PM
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54. breathe dirty air, drink filthy water, eat tainted meat...
...vote Republican. ;)

http://www.northernsun.com

(not sure if I got the quote right, but it's something like that...)

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chromotone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 02:06 PM
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55. He eats the cow...
We eat the bull.
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