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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:07 PM
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Zoellick warns Venezuela is heading for trouble
Source: Reuters

Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:36PM BST
By Noel Randewich

MEXICO CITY ~snip~ Robert Zoellick, almost certain to be the next head of the World Bank, on Saturday took aim at Venezuela's leftist president, Hugo Chavez, warning that his oil-fueled socialist revolution was headed for trouble. ~snip~

Chavez has used surging oil revenues to pay for a socialist revolution in the OPEC nation and gain influence with other countries in Latin America at the expense of the United States.

He has said he wants to withdraw Venezuela, the world's No. 5 oil supplier, from the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, blaming their decades-old economic recipes of tight budget control, privatizations and open markets for poverty across Latin America. ~snip~

The World Bank would focus on rebuilding in war-torn countries like Sudan, Haiti and Afghanistan under his leadership, Zoellick said. ~snip~



Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKN1631572620070616
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:13 PM
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1. From the article:
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 06:13 PM by Tinman
"It's a country where economic problems are mounting, and as we're seeing also on the political and press side it's not moving in a healthy direction," Zoellick told reporters during a visit to Mexico.

Is Mr. Zoellick talking about Venezuela or the United States? Methinks he's projecting a little bit.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:13 PM
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2. Empty rhetoric.
Venezuela will withdraw if and when it so chooses, and on its own terms.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:48 PM
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10. It may be disinformation, but it is not "empty," in the sense that the Bush Junta
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 07:51 PM by Peace Patriot
and its global corporate predator allies will stop at nothing to destroy democracy in Venezuela and the Andes region, and to kill the notion that poor people should benefit from a country's resources. Venezuela is one of the main leaders of the opposition in South America to the ruinous policies of the World Bank/IMF, of "free trade" (global corporate piracy) and the murderous U.S. "war on drugs." Zoellick is known operative of these corporate predators. I would expect nothing less from him than lies, disinformation and conspiracy with the worst elements of South American society.

But you have to laugh at his word "healthy" (Venezuela is not headed in "healthy" direction). Let's see, is Venezuela refusing a broadcast license renewal to a TV station (RCTV) that actively participated in the U.S.-backed violent military coup attempt in 2002, and its replacement by a public-run station that is inviting independent producers to diversify that airwave, and is opening access to this formerly rightwing monopolized public airwave, to the viewpoints of the poor, of racial minorities, of the indigenous, of small business people and peasant farmers, and all other previously excluded groups, healthy or unhealthy, bearing in mind that ALL OTHER TV/radio stations in Venezuela are still completely dominated by rightwing views and canned corporate entertainment?

Seems pretty "healthy" to me--especially when you consider the danger to all living things of relentless, 24/7 rightwing corporate propaganda and fascist militarism.

We could use some of that truly "healthy direction" here, with the dismantling of our corporate news monopolies, and giving the license to use our PUBLIC airwaves to small, independent, creative and competitive businesses, non-profits, worker coops and government funded broadcasting. That is "health." Corporate monopolies are the ones who are sick, and sickening.

His assertion that Venezuela is in economic trouble is also just plain wrong. All economic indicators are up, with the biggest growth in the private sector. The poor and the poorest of the poor (about 50% of the population) have made big gains in income and quality of life, including the long range social indicators that will foster future prosperity--the complete elimination of illiteracy (at 40% when Chavez was first elected), more schools and teachers and more kids and adults in school than ever before, and greatly increased citizen participation in government, which government programs encourage. These improvements have not been at anyone's expense. The rich are still rich, and still have their big fancy houses and their jaguars. Land reform (to encourage peasant farmers to remain on the land producing food, discourage their migration to urban poverty, and help solve Venezuela's food self-sufficiency problems) is being carefully done to avoid confiscation without compensation. A plan by the mayor of Caracas to confiscate two urban country clubs/golf courses for low cost housing was nixed by the Chavez government, because of Constitutional protections for private property. The country has the liveliest political culture in the western hemisphere, and the people are free--free to dissent without fear, free to engage in private business, free to vote without fear of bullying or stolen elections (highly monitored elections), and free to seek and achieve political leadership and public office, no matter their financial or social status.

There is, in fact, NO SIGN of "economic trouble" or trouble of any kind. The only trouble comes when people like Bush and Zoellick seek to destabilize and topple legitimate government, and impose rightwing dictatorships in the interest of global corporate predators. That's when there is oppression and suffering in Latin America. We would be seeing it now, in Venezuela, if the RCTV coup had succeeded. You think people would be free to dissent if that coup--which suspended the Constitution, shut down the National Assembly (Congress) and the courts, and kidnapped the elected President--had won the day? People would dead for daring to speak out against the coup. Torture and mass graves for union organizers, peasants and leftists--as is happening in Colombia. And all the progress that has been made toward social justice would be undone.

One reason for Zoellick's hostility to Chavez and Venezuela is that they have been quite innovative, for instance, in their creation of the Bank of the South (Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay), in finding ways to push the World Bank/IMF and its predatory practices out of the region. World Bank financiers have been sucking the life out of Latin America's economies with big loans on onerous terms (for instance, de-funding social programs) incurred by corrupt governments; the rich rip off the money and the poor are left to pay the debt. These dreadful practices are combined with "free trade" deals that open the country to resource exploitation, sweatshops and first world country agricultural dumping and other destruction of local businesses (not to mention GM crops, pesticide poisoning, and heavy duty logging and mining, and significant loss of sovereignty to regulate these impacts). Argentina's economy went into meltdown due to these predatory practices, and was only saved by the uprising of its people, the new leftist government (headed by Nestor Kirchner) and Venezuela's easy term loan help (the seed of the Bank of the South). Argentina is now well on its way to recovery, no thanks to the fucking World Bank!

Zoellick wants to bust this movement for independence and self-determination. That is the reason he and all big corporate players waste no opportunity to badmouth Chavez and Venezuela. They despise democracy!



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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:55 PM
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12. Fantastic Post !
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 07:56 PM by jaysunb
I hope many will learn from your post, " WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON WITH THE WORLD BANK !"and what their real objective is.

Thank you ! :toast:

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 08:12 PM
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13. Excellent information!
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 10:26 PM
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16. Great post!!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:25 AM
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19. Zoellick probably likes it that Uribe of Columbia hasn't shut down--
--a single opposition TV station. That happens to be because there are no opposition TV stations, or any other kind of opposition media.

Don't forget to mention that there is no such thing as "pirate" radio in Venezuela--that's because low-powered radio stations are completely legal there, and anyone is free to start one. If that's "oppression," then we need more of it here.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:29 AM
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27. As always PP, an enlightening and excellent post
The silence of the Chavez bashers is rather deafening don't you think??
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:20 PM
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3. Zoellick to carry out the plan to get other countries to "rebuild" Iraq to US specs
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 06:21 PM by terisan
Wolfowitz dropped the ball.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:21 PM
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4. That's like trying say you're gonna boycot Citgo
Venezuela, to my current knowledge, has already expressed a desire to dis-associate itself from the WMF, the World Bank and other bastions of neo-colonialist hedgemony, typically based in the US and controlled by right-wing conservative ideologues. Chavez has ALBA and also Bancosur, the latter being in the process of organization even as Mr. Zeollick is speaking, it has its own capital in place to finance its own projects, so what's the point of Zoellick making these empty statements anyway? Sounds like he is just preaching to his flock of loser-capitalists.



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:24 PM
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5. Venezuela Is Putting the World Bank and the IMF Out of Business
Literally. Venezuela is bailing out South America from the impossible loan burdens imposed on them by US manufactured and supported dictators who got cushy deals from the IMF and World Bank, absconded with the funds, and left the people dying for the debt they never got to use.

Chavez is gonna eat your lunch, dinner, retirement plan, and PNAC, Zoellick!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:34 PM
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8. he should get a nobel prize for that--how do you get someone nominated?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:42 PM
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9. No Idea, But I Second the Motion!
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:50 PM
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11. Only Nobel Recipients Can Nominate Others
...from what I understand. This is why it was so laughable when that Terry Shivo doc was mentioned that they claimed was a nominee. Because no recipient ever nominated him ~ just the LimpDick types thought he should be, while Cindy Sheehan actually WAS nominated.

Cat In Seattle
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:03 AM
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22. there's probably some recipients here in LA. I'll go steal one. or buy one at a pawn shop
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:27 PM
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6. What does wiki say?

"Zoellick signed the January 26, 1998 letter <9> to President Bill Clinton from PNAC that advocated war against Iraq."

That would be enough for me to figure out exactly where Robert Zoellick stands: he is firmly entrenched in the front ranks of the neocon/neoliberal washington consenus: he is a top cabal soldier.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 08:17 PM
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14. Let me guess. Chickenhawk?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 10:40 AM
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24. But -- of course!
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:25 PM
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7. Their oil
and Bush and his thugs want it.The native people want to use their resources for the people,the western crooks want to rape another nation of their national resources.The american and european racist just can't allow the natives to keep their resources.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 10:24 PM
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15. Bush & Co. don't necessarily want their oil, they just want them to stay in OPEC compliance
...as well as World Bank and IMF compliance.

Hugo Chavez has the ability to drop the price of oil if he produces more than their OPEC quota. That is bad news for Big Oil.

He also defies the World Bank and the IMF by allowing his country to invest more of their oil revenues in his own country than the World Bank and IMF want Venezuela to.

Check out "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast. He really breaks down this situation.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:27 AM
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20. There are limits to his ability to drop the price of oil
Venezuelan oil is plentiful, but of lower quality and therefore more expensive to process than the oil in the Middle East.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:19 PM
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17. Beth: PNAC headed for trouble, failing miserably all over the world. nt
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:24 PM
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18. Venezuela has pulled out World Bank and IMF already!
How much sense does it make to threaten to kick someone out of a club they already decided to leave themselves? This guy is just B.S.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:52 AM
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21. Hey, Zoellick?
STFU! You have nothing to say about how Venezuela does things anymore. You've been PAID IN FULL by Venezuela and your day is almost over in other places, as well.

Hopefully, you'll soon be just a sad chapter in history and a bad memory.

You're full of shit and nobody cares what you think, so just STFU already and go away.
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 05:15 AM
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23. Already?
Can't he at least wait until he's officially got the position? I guess he's been given his agenda, though
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:01 AM
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25. Why is it almost everything you hear from a Bush appointee concerns a threat
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 11:35 AM by Judi Lynn
against another country?

His administration is a real haven for sociopaths. I doubt Bush hired any peace-seeking people anywhere.



Zoellick, Bolton: two real Latin American butt-in-skis.


These people insult, bully, and threaten. That's their entire repertoire. Not really as "compassionate" as Bush has claimed.

On edit:

Published: Sunday, June 17, 2007
Bylined to: Patrick J. O'Donoghue

Chavez opens important thermo-electrical complex to supply Western Venezuela

President Chavez has opened the first stage of an important thermo-electrical complex in Zulia State called the Termozulia Ciclo Combinado I.
(snip)

The President says in 2007 there will be 200 companies built with a fundamentally Socialist outlook which will strengthen Venezuela's independence and sovereignty and their priority is to supply the demand for basic necessities.

The new Socialist companies will supply medical equipment, food production, plastic derivatives, automobile spare parts, computers, materials for construction and chemical products.

The new complex will relieve some of the pressure on the national grid by creating greater autonomy in the generation of electricity for western Venezuela, which depends on supplies from the Guri complex in Guayana.
(snip/...)

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=72351
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:13 AM
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26. There are a few frequent posters to the Venezuela threads who are conspicuously absent from this one
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