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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 12:41 PM
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Kucinich says terror alert is scare tactic
CONTOOCOOK, N.H. -- The Bush administration is using elevated terror alerts for political gain, Democrat Dennis Kucinich said. The Ohio congressman, campaigning at a library services company in central New Hampshire on Friday, said if administration officials have information about terror threats, they should act on it, instead of advertising the threat to scare Americans.

"The government is trying to place fear everywhere," he said.

The elevated terror alert level over the holidays is confusing Americans and accomplishing little, he said. "Why didn't they just put extra security out?" he asked. "They are building up fear to become more powerful politically."

Kucinich, who will begin airing TV ads in New Hampshire on Jan. 4, said he plans to focus on the fear he says Bush is promoting. "My whole campaign is to challenge this fear, this fear about the Patriot Act, the fear about Iraq. The fear of Iraq was not founded. They didn't attack us. They didn't have weapons of mass destruction."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kucinich/articles/2003/12/27/kucinich_says_terror_alert_is_scare_tactic/

comment: About time one of the nine said this.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 12:45 PM
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1. Maybe the SCLM will take Dennis "the Menace" seriously now.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:08 PM
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2. why is Dennis the only one willing to tell the truth?
Does anybody know?
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:14 PM
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6. because he has no chance of winning
he knows that, and he's not running to win, that's why. If he had a chance or expected to win, these coments would kill his run, unless he got a video of Karl Rove telling FBI to alert us.

Somehow, I think you knew the answer...
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:32 PM
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11. too bad Democrats think like that that too often
portends their own downfall
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:37 PM
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14. our downfall?
I was being realistic and honest. Too bad the truth hurts. As far as the downfall goes, who's downfall? We have 8 other candidates, Dennis is just one of them (bottom 3).
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:49 PM
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15. I wouldn't count DK out yet. He came in 2nd in a moveon poll, and
it's way too early to make a call. He is about where Clinton was this time of the election season when he came out as front runner.

I am still pretty undecided, as most of my acquaintances are. We have our favorites, but all in a 2 or 3 way tie at this point.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:57 PM
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16. yes, and what chance do any of them have?
since we're all being realistic

I mean, your faith in the certainty of any Dem candidate winning anything is at least as "hopeful" as seeing Dennis Kucinich win

Still, my point was about your negativity.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 02:26 PM
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17. negativity about your favorite candidate
how hard is it to get that people like different candidates and have different views about others.

You say I'm negative, I say you're in denial. Who know who's right.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 05:03 PM
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21. There is far too much negativity in general amongst Dems
Seems a lot of people are convinced Dean is unelectable. Why? And you know what the problem is? In this kind of case, the more you say something the more it becomes true because you are creating that expectation. If he gets the nom but gets the reputation of being the next McGovern the media will kill him and Dems won't even bother to turn out to vote.

Don't get me wrong, criticism of the candidates, even my favorite candidate :) , is fine, but convincing yourself and others that the Dems are doomed is a bit like shooting yourself in the foot.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 07:52 PM
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30. good point but to wrong person
me and (hopefully) 99% of the DU-ers WILL vote for whoever wins the nomination.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:02 PM
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24. Somehow I think you were programmed with the answer...
And it's a real sad commentary that so many in the US
chant that media originated nonsense until it becomes true,
but only because so many are obligingly repeating it.
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Miramar Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 07:10 PM
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29. Kucinich is just sneaking under the radar.
He's going to surprise EVERYONE with his WIN! Want to help make it happen?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:08 PM
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3. Fear of the "Patriot " Act is reasonable and well-grounded.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:09 PM
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4. go Dennis!

it's as if the media agreed to not speak DK's name if at all possible.

let the media play their games, we the people know DK's mettle.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:14 PM
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5. Kucinich has it right goddammit!
Why isn't the fucking media screaming about this bogus bullshit? I'll tell ya why, cuz they ain't got no fucking balls they're scared shitless of Karl Rove and his black ballings tactics.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:10 PM
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25. Thats why marching on media headquarters is prefered over Washington
If there is any protesting to be done the place
to protest IS crucial to success!!!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:12 PM
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26. Kucinich is the "Seabuscuit " of our time!!!.........Go Kucinich!!!
:bounce:
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belab13 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:18 PM
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7. Dennis continues to impress
This guy doesn't mince words and he needs to continue getting his powerful message out even if only to influence the other candidates.


He has my attention and support.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:24 PM
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8. Damn straight, Dennis.
Same thing I keep saying - if you know something's going to happen, just STOP IT, don't scare us to death in the process.

Of course, that would be the right thing to do, not the rightwing thing to do. Anyway, most of the alerts are to distract us and make us cower.

I refuse to be afraid.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:30 PM
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9. Right. If there was something we should be doing
then alert us and let us know. Otherwise they should just stfu and handle it.
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:31 PM
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10. So refreshing!
to hear the TRUTH for a change!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:35 PM
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12. Dennis never minces words or waffles
He deserves far more support, but Americans (and lots of Democrats) are too scared, which of course, is the point behind his campaign slogan.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:36 PM
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13. "The government is trying to place fear everywhere"
Thank you Dennis, for saying publicly what many of us think about Tom Ridge's Holiday alert system.

I expect we will be on Red Alert by Election Day.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 03:58 PM
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18. If you haven't sent DK money, please do so now!
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 04:01 PM by Mairead
The guy puts it right on the line for us. He's totally fearless, as tough as nails, and 100% on our side. When will we see his like again?

If we want political officeholders to be fearless, tough, and on our side then we have to show them that it pays off for them. It's not rocket science, folks. No PhD required. We get what we give, it's that simple.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 05:06 PM
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22. You're right-I just did send him money
He isn't my favorite candidate for a few reasons, but I love the fact that he will say this kind of thing.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 04:12 PM
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19. Right on, Dennis!
Someone should point out that it makes no sense to expect a terrorist attack to occur the same way they did on 9/11. On that day, we were attacked, not by a superior power, but by individuals who used the passenger's unsuspecting nature to trick them into allowing the terrorists to take over control of those planes. If someone stood up today and said they were hijacking the plane the passengers most likely would not fall for the same trick once again and would overwhelm whoever claimed to have a bomb or intentions to hijack the plane as they did with the shoe bomber. These terror alerts are just the administrations way of saying "You're still not safe, you need us to protect you, see all we are doing to protect you, now go out and shop and be ready to give up more of your civil liberties in the name of security" (...even though they totally failed to believe or act on the numerous reports they had of terrorists flying planes into US targets before 911.)

It's ironic that the Republicans try to spin the message to citizens that it is their tough stance on terror that keeps us safe, when 9/11 clearly happened under their watch. If they are so good at securing us, why won't they publicize the information needed to those investigating 9/11? Aren't they proud of their actions? The very fact that they continue to hide information from the public is itself a reason to suspect that they have not been acting in our best interest. Why should anyone believe them now? I will never forget that one of Bush's first acts after taking office was to withdraw all our intelligence groups from the middle east.

Anyway, as with many situations in our world I feel this story is applicable. It's one of Aesop's fables:



The Wolves and the Sheep

Some wolves were trying to surprise a flock of sheep. Unable to be masters of the situation because of the dogs which were guarding them, they resolved to use a ruse to reach their desired end: the sent some delegates to ask the sheep to give up their dogs. It was the dogs, they said, who created the bad blood between them. One only had to surrender the dogs and peace would reign between them. The sheep, not foreseeing what would happen, gave up the dogs. And the wolves, being in control of the situation, easily slaughtered the sheep who were no longer guarded.



So when politicians say we need to give up our civil liberties in order to be safe, I think of this story. When lobbyists say we need to deregulate business so that we can compete in a global economy, I think of this story. When leaders tell us affirmative action is antiquated and should be repealed, I think of this story. We should try not to become mindless sheep forgetting that our ancestors fought long and hard for the protections we are asked to give up today. I'm glad to know that those who frequent this board know that fighting to retain our rights is important, but it might be a good idea to remind others of this story.
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Spock_is_Skeptical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 04:24 PM
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20. Thank you Dennis
for speaking the truth as usual!
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JasonDeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 05:45 PM
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23. Dictators and bush have many things in common
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 05:46 PM by JasonDeter
One is they both rule by fear. Dictators need to make their people dependent on them, the bush admin is doing the same thing with Americans. Dictators demand absolute obedience, bush does the same. How many more similarities are there?
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:23 PM
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27. CHALLENGE the FEAR !!! correct approach for all dems-yes! go Dennis!!!
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 06:25 PM by aunteeWar
"They didn't attack us. They didn't have weapons of mass destruction."
Kucinich's ideas need to be at the heart of the Democratic Platform.
No accommodating, no accepting their twisted ulterior motives in any way.
Baybee Bushee thinks he's in for 4 or 8 more since the fix is in on the
Deibold voting machines.
We need to all stand up and challenge this administration at every opportunity .

.


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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:49 PM
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28. Perpetual fear justifies perpetual war.
In Bush's ideal world we will have these terror alerts for the rest of our lives.

And for the rest of our children's lives.

And for the rest of our grandchildren's lives.

And for the rest of our great grandchildren's lives.

And so on and so on.

Someone needs to ask Bush to define victory in the war on terror.
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Deesh Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:20 PM
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31. I appreciate what...
...Dennis Kucinich is saying about the alerts. Why aren't French pilots in custody if Air France flights were cancelled? Where are the suspects?

We're in Iraq because it has oil. The "War on Terror" -- including these ridiculous color-level alerts -- is propaganda to hide the actual goal of controlling the oil fields.

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