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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 08:54 AM
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U.S. starts fingerprint program
SNIP

"The new program covers those overseas visitors who are required to have a visa to enter the United States -- an estimated 24 million people a year.

Outside of Europe, the exempt countries include Japan, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and Brunei. Citizens of Canada generally do not need a visa to enter the United States. "

SNIP

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/01/05/fingerprint.program/index.html
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 08:57 AM
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1. The day they ask me for my fingerprints when I cross the border
to go from Quebec to Lake Champlain, Vermont is the day I decide to never set foot again in your beautiful but screwed up country.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:29 AM
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2. Ouch, that hurt but I can understand why you say that.
My wife is a foreign national. What do I tell my kids when they see their mommy fingerprinted and mug-shot like a criminal...blech, bad taste...gonna wash my mouth out
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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:01 AM
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7. If she is an LPR
she will not be fingerprinted.
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 02:08 PM
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12. Yep... It's gonna be a sad year if nobody kicks out the Bush admin.
in November!
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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:37 AM
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4. You are not fingerprinted under current program
but maybe someday.
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McHrozni Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:36 AM
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3. A sad day for democracy indeed. Officialy, I've been in Spain since 1999
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:37 AM
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5. Anglos are not terrorist ?
don't need to finger print those of Anglo descent?

Racist as usual, what would you expect from this administration
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 02:25 PM
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13. Just out of interest,
when was the last time a European blew up a building in the US?
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 02:32 PM
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15. Timithy Mc Vie and his co-conspirators were Euro-Americans
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 02:50 PM
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16. Just out of interest,
would it be reported as "Terrorism" or dismissed as common crime?

I seem to recall an Eastern European allegedly hijacking a bus with boxcutters, a Florida teenager crashing a private plane into a high rise, and individuals from East Texas allegedly in possession of weapons of mass destruction -- yet none of this was given the "Terrorism" headline.
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 03:05 PM
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17. to you and R Hickey
None of the incidents sited were committed by a European. Now, they may have been of European decent, but I believe they were all born in the US! Try again.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:20 PM
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18. Wrong, troopers.
At least one of the incidents cited was allegedly carried out by "a Croatian illegal immigrant." Croatia, in case you didn't know, is in Europe. In fact, it happened less than one month after 9-11 and was allegedly committed with a "razor or boxcutter."

Everybody refers to yesterday's incident in Tennessee in which a Croatian illegal immigrant nonfatally slashed the throat of a Greyhound bus driver with a razor or box cutter, which led to the bus rolling over, killing the assailant and five other passengers. The Justice Department says the episode does not appear to have been linked in any way to the Sept. 11 attacks and wasn't a terrorist plot but rather the action of a lone deranged person.

Slate, October 4, 2001.

http://slate.msn.com/id/1008395/

Now, were you saying something?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:56 AM
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6. What the hell are Visas and Passports for
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 09:56 AM by Atman
if not to track who comes and goes in our country? Those who can't see this for the naked power grab/big brotherism that it is deserve to be data-mined.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:26 AM
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8. brazil fingerprints american citizens in reciprocity
Ain't it great, pretty soon americans will be screwed everywhere.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:34 AM
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9. Yup, "tit for tat",...
,...we are just engaging in further isolationism, which is EXACTLY what the PNAC calls for. Thing is, the only possible way all the information produced by such a new-fangled procedure (which is totally off the cliff, in my view) is by hugely expanding our intelligence services (or, of course, paying a bloody fortune for outsourcing). Once again, who profits most from all this.
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omshanti Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 12:50 PM
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10. this is ridiculous... my family is reconsidering coming to visit me
And I am re-considering leaving the country for fear of being harrassed when I come back in (even though my immigration status is PERFECTLY LEGAL and I have done nothing wrong, I feel 'hunted').
What a load of crap. THey already have our photos and fingerprints on file (Through the visas and passports). Now we all have to be treated like criminals?
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 01:24 PM
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11. People of colour/color
this is just another racist policy by a racist regime.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 02:29 PM
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14. I think other countries should fingerprint all foreigners too...including
American. Might keep some of those nasty little spies out their coutnries.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:43 PM
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19. The first resident alien card I had in Japan
had my fingerprint prominently displayed on it. My second RA card came with a plastic cover that conveniently hid the fingerprint when the card was sheathed in the cover. My current RA card has no fingerprint at all.
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AromaticSocks Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:53 PM
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20. I just hope those against fingerprinting are also against gun registration
There is NO difference.
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:29 PM
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22. Yeah right.... The second amendment "crap" argument...
So damn stupid....
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:25 PM
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21. Contrasted by the US fingerpointing program
which has been wellestablished
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