Gen. Pace: Homosexual acts immoral

[rodeodance]

Source: Associated Press

Gen. Pace: Homosexual acts immoral

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer 5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, caused a stir at a Senate hearing Wednesday when he said he believes homosexual activity is immoral and should not be condoned by the military.


Pace, who retires next week, said he was seeking to clarify similar remarks he made in spring, which he said were misreported.

"Are there wonderful Americans who happen to be homosexual serving in the military? Yes," he told the Senate Appropriations Committee during a hearing focused on the Pentagon's 2008 war spending request.

"We need to be very precise then, about what I said wearing my stars and being very conscious of it," he added. "And that is, very simply, that we should respect those who want to serve the nation but not through the law of the land, condone activity that, in my upbringing, is counter to God's law."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070926/ap_on_re_us/pace_homosexuals;_ylt=ApovHIngDMsZLQba7QaiptCs0NUE

[Newsjock]

1. Newsjock: Gen. Peter Pace immoral

We should respect those who want to serve the nation but not through the law of the land, condone activity that, in my upbringing, is counter to God's law -- such as illegally invading a sovreign nation.

[dickbearton]

17. Exactly, the complicit Peter the Stooge Pace is immoral...

Like the Criminal Bush, Peter Pace is a traitor and war
criminal. He and Bush would have been hung at Nuremberg.

[saigon68]

27. War Criminal Puppet Pace favorite bootlick of the CHIMPANZEE

I wonder where this little Fuckwit is going next to collect his 7 figure annual salary??

My guess----- a stay at Northrup as a technical lobbyist for a slew of worthless expensive weapons

[NC_Nurse]

2. AAAAAAUUUUUGGGH!

When are we gonna get these idealogues out of EVERY nook and cranny of our govt?

I am so depressed today. Just one more example of a govt overrun with sleaze, religious zealots, and
corporate robots.

[bdamomma]

47. another ideologue, keep your fucking opinions to yourself.

Pace another criminal

[6000eliot]

3. Fuck you, Pace!

How about bigotry is immoral?

[Maven]

4. Oh, just go away already

Fucking dinosaur.

[subsuelo]

5. When will these people wake up

[dickbearton]

18. These people will not wake up...

They should be tried for treason and war crimes and put to
sleep, permanently.

[jody]

6. IMO many people believe things that in their "upbringing, is counter to God's law." The issue is

what should be the law of the land, not what some secular or sectarian group believes!

[terrya]

7. Once again, fuck you, Peter Pace

He sounds like he's in favor of continuing "Don't Ask Don't Tell", which is inexcusible in this day and age. There is no reason whatsoever why gay men and lesbians cannot serve openly in the armed forces.

Pace is a bigot. Pure and simple.

[mitchum]

8. I'll consider the source...CEO of Death & Destruction, Inc.

[JerseygirlCT]

24. Yeah. Nothing in "God's law" about murder, right?

Asshole.

[Occulus]

9. kgfnally: Preemptive Wars Immoral

NO FUCKING TEXT!!!

[roguevalley]

10. well, I am sure that is news to the Sacred Band of Thebes,

Alexander the Great, the Spartan Army of Thermopolae fame and millions and millions of gays who served their countries wherever they were and earned honor and sometimes early graves. I have a hard time listening to a dickhead who didn't protect his soldiers over this travesty talking about morality. He's got a lot to answer for before God, the bastard.

[meowomon]

11. Torture and this illegal war are immoral

I have absolutely no respect for this political hack nor General Betrayus. Get out of uniform if you're going to be a political shill for George Bush. Gen Pace doesn't deserve to wear that uniform! He has no honesty or integrity.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

12. homosexual activity?

I didn't know there was any homosexual activity in the military.

[Tempest]

13. If the Repugs have taught us anything

It's that those who protest the loudest about homosexuals are most likely closet gays themselves.

[Baby Snooks]

20. Most pyschiatrists would agree...

Most psychiatrists would agree that homophobia is merely projection of repressed homosexuality. Of course most psychiatrists are afraid of getting sent to Guantanamo, so...

[LostinVA]

41. Oh brother

Not this shit again.

Most homophobes are not gay. It's like saying a racist is secretly black.

[Tempest]

46. That's NOT what he said

He said:

Most psychiatrists would agree that homophobia is merely projection of repressed homosexuality

And he's right.

http://www.oogachaga.com/downloads/homophobia_and_homosexual_arousal.pdf

[TrogL]

67. they're making an assumption

...that penile enlargment is directly and only correlative to homosexual arousal.

I get enlarged just before I get ready to kill somebody.

Correlation is not causation.

[Tempest]

69. Did you read the study?

Why else would they get an erection at the same time they were shown gay pornographic movies?

And at the same time, non-homophobic men didn't get an erection as often as homophobic men did while watching the same gay pornographic movies.


And if you think the study is flawed, contact the University of Georgia and let them know. I'm sure they'd be happy to investigate your research.

[ismnotwasm]

14. What a creep.

Did you know that viagra is readily available on streetcorners in various cities in Iraq? (Disclaimer, I got this information from a medic who works for independent contractors, but I have no reason to doubt it) So what do you suppose those moral HETEROsexuals are doing with it? Treating emergency heart conditions?

[otherlander]

15. There are no homosexuals in America.

I don't know who told you that there were.

:sarcasm:

[David Zephyr]

16. And Condi sits quietly as Secretary of State with her "secret"

I'm so very tired of closeted Republican homosexuals. David Dreier is one of the worst.

[leveymg]

19. Interesting. So much overlap between the Ahmadinejad and Pace haters

I wonder how many of them are aware that the primary reason Pace was fired was because he refused to confirm unsubstantiated accusations made by Bush and Rummy against Iran. One of the pillars of the Administration's case being made for another war has been that the Iranian government is responsible for tank-killing penetrating projectiles in Iraq. See, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/10/145554/430

[dbackjon]

21. If they CHICKEN SHIT DEMOCRATS really gave a damn about Civil Rights

They would pass a resolution condemning this bigotted asshole.


Fuck him, and fuck Byrd for silencing the protesters.

[Orsino]

29. Don't worry. The House and Senate are surely working on bills...

...condemning Pace's hate speech.

Surely.

[JerseygirlCT]

22. And WTF does "God's law" have to do with the nation?

Besides, his interpretation of "God's law" rides on some pretty thin ice. Convenient, but very thin.

[olddad56]

23. it's true, and the world is actually flat, as previously thought.

[DemKR]

25. oh suck it petey

[caseycoon]

26. Neither "God's Law" nor Pace's upbringing

have anything whatsoever to do with the law of the land, and the law SHOULD be equality in all things for all citizens.
PERIOD!
People like this make me sick!

[FormerRepub]

28. Was Senator Larry Craig at this Senate hearing?

I certainly hope he was listening to General Pace blither on about homosexuality being "immoral". That would be just tooooo delicious....... I don't know which is worse..... Republican hypocrites or the politically galvanized religious right true believers.

[Ediacara]

30. Remind me why this guy remains on MY payroll?

[LibDemAlways]

31. As many here have already pointed out that's one hell of

a hypocritical statement from a general in the military, an organization whose members engage in killing other human beings, and sometimes receiving medals for it. Honest to God, now I've heard everything.

[NMMNG]

32. Killing is against God's law too

Pace seems to have no problem with that. Nor does he seem to have a problem with blended fabrics or clipping the hair at the sides of his head. He probably even eats pork and shellfish.

Funny how it's only the things he personally has a problem with that he digs into his Bible to find out what God has to say about.

[cyr330]

33. What a MORAN

Need I say more? Does he think that having our troops killed over a big fat lie is immoral? I'm sure NOT. What a thundering dumb ASS.

[saigon68]

34. a thundering dumb ASS.

Well put--- I could only call him a boot lick

[devilgrrl]

35. Hmmm, I've got a feeling that he has first-hand knowledge of such immoral acts.

Christ, do people like him not think of anything else?

[complain jane]

36. Pace should go fuck himself in the mouth and eat his own waste.

War's moral, love isn't. Hand me the crack pipe.

[rexcat]

37. The US is ruled by the Constitution, not "god's law"...

and the military is under civilian rule under the auspices of the Constitution. Pace and his moronic christian fascists can go fuck themselves.

[Charlie Brown]

38. wha? So does he think those who are divorced or in non-marital relations

should not serve?

Those are both against "God's law."

[Betty]

39. go to Iran, asshole

you'll love it there.

[gratuitous]

40. Gee Mr. Pace, you're so moral and everything . . .

Explain to me the morality of "pre-emptive" invasions, torture of prisoners, and squandering tax dollars on those activities when our own citizens go hungry, homeless and without adequate medical care.

I'll just wait over here while you formulate an answer that places you somewhere between a screaming and flaming hypocrite.

[xchrom]

42. gen pace -- why is your version of god's law more important

than someone else's?

gen pace is god's law the law of the land?

and if so -- would you care to point out to me whare god's law is in our law books?

[0007]

43. Isn't pimping for heinous wars and killing acts of immorality?

General Pace YOU are one perverse turd.

[shenmue]

44. Is there a loop playing in his head all day?

:shrug:

I swear, some people seem to worry about stuff way too much.

[shenmue]

45. Acts of gay people like... fighting for your country?

:dunce:

:crazy:

[originalpckelly]

48. Yeah asshole, killing people for a living probably ain't too high up there either.

Thou shalt not kill, unless he's a commie or terrist.

[saigon68]

49. Or an Islamic

[originalpckelly]

50. Well, I thought that's what terrists were...

was I done taughted the wrung thang?

[slackmaster]

51. I have to give a big "So what?" here

It's his personal opinion, plus federal law explicitly prohibits people in the military from doing many things that are done by both homosexual and heterosexual couples. It's his job to enforce that law, not to treat everyone fairly or advance social justice.

[bullwinkle428]

56. So if it was his personal opinion that black people are sub-human,

would it be okay if he advocated implementation of that idea into military code of conduct and accompanying rules and regulation?

[slackmaster]

58. Red Herring

The proscription of what the Uniform Code of Military Justice refers to as "Sodomy" is already in place.

Please refer to my brief commentary in the Brad Pitt Katrina donation thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1914749&mesg_id=1920609

[KansDem]

52. Breaking: "Operation Northwoods" immoral

**** you, Chairman. One of your predecessors wanted to kill and terrorize Americans so you could go to war with Cuba!

ABC News

And how about killing Iraqi children with bombs? Isn't that immoral?

But two adults who love each other is "immoral?"

You know, I used to have a lot of respect for the U.S. military (Dad was career Navy and uncle is retired Air Force general) but when I see these loonies in the higher echelon, I have to shake my head and wonder how anything gets done.

Oh, and another thing, General: why do you officers lie so much?

[EFerrari]

53. Did any of you see those beautiful Code Pink protestors boo

when he said this? Yes, they disrupted the hearing and as far as I'm concerned, good for them. When Byrd told them their behavior was unacceptable, they yelled back, this war is unacceptable. When he said they would not be tolerated, they yelled back we will no longer tolerate this war.

Byrd had the room cleared.

And then, the committee APOLOGIZED to Pace.

[BigDDem]

54. Fuck off PP

Please let us know what Lindsay Graham and Larry Craig
have to say....

[Lilith Velkor]

55. Military activity is immoral and should not be condoned by homosexuals, IMFO

[olddad56]

57. or homosapiens for that matter,

slaughtering Iraqi civilians is crime against humanity. Homosexual acts between two consenting people is someone else's business.

[UncleSepp]

68. LOL Thanks! n/t

[yardwork]

59. Does he consider these acts to be immoral?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3007956&mesg_id=3007956

[defendandprotect]

72. It's immoral to blow up Iraqi citizens ..... leaving young boys without arms or legs -- !!!!

I guess his "upbringing" left out that little point -- ????

[Crowman1979]

60. If Pace had his way,

then he would lose about 15-20% of the entire USMC! Especially in the squadron I was in over at MCAS Yuma. Why doesn't Gen. Pace give his opinion to Rod Majors if this is the case?

[Feral Libertarian]

61. This coming from a member of the most immoral profession

that has plagued mankind for centuries.

A man who's profession leads him to kill innocent women and children, has the nerve to claim the high ground as he criticizes what happens between consenting adults. What a fucking hypocrite.

[superconnected]

62. So true. Thanks for saying that! EOM.

[Trillo]

63. General, Perhaps a little less morality and a little more professionalism?

I've been watching this thread for a few days, trying to say what I thought without personally demeaning Gen. Peter Pace. It's really hard to do when one has the concept of separation of church and state firmly in mind.

Perhaps the General needs some remedial constitution lessons-- There are lots of ideas about God General, as well as ideas about the lack of god or gods, all of which must be respected individually. Enforcing your ideas of morality on others under your command, ideas which are not condoned in the law or the constitution, is not part of your job description, nor the descriptions of those working for you.

Defending the constitution is, however, part of your job description. How can you possibly do that if you don't even superficially understand the document?

[frebrd]

64. What does his "upbringing" have to do with it?

Surely by now he's old enough to start thinking for himself and taking responsibility for his own opinions!

[Gen. Jack D. Ripper]

65. That's why people created God in the first place

So they would have an excuse for their bigotry.

"Hey, I didn't make the rules, it's God's law."

[leQ]

66. how can they be so damned sure of themselves that God didn't want homosexuality to exist?

i get eaten up everytime i hear some bigshot frothin at the mouth over my sexuality. who the fuck are they to tell me who i can lay with. people who like to go around and stir up flames over this issue are looking for acceptance in whatever circles accepts this kind of stuff. that's all. very petty.

[Courtesy Flush]

70. Which part is immoral?

The sex acts performed by homosexuals are also done between heterosexual couples. Oral, anal, whatever, they're only considered immoral when the two partners are of the same sex.

If it's not immoral for me to do the same thing with my wife, why is it immoral for gay couples?

[defendandprotect]

73. The right-wing religous fanatics, if they know that, don't admit it ---

and Catholic Church members would probably not be aware because they only know about procreative sex -- slam, bam, baby --

[tabasco]

71. Does that include licking dingleberries off of Rummy's ass?

If so, Pace is a very immoral person.

[and-justice-for-all]

74. So what the fuck does he think War is??!! nt