Report: Saddam Hussein Has Cancer

[deacon]

The ousted Iraqi dictator, who is currently under custody with the coalition forces, suffers from cancer of lymph glands, Kuwaiti Al-Anba daily reads, citing an Iraqi official. According to the daily, the disease is in an advanced stage, so doctors predict the former dictator would probably live a couple of years more.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/080104saddamcancer.html

[JCMach1]

1. Looks like nature was working on regime change

:grr:

[Guaranteed]

2. LOL wasn't that just another one of our arguments

against this war?

[Frodo]

53. Not really

His sons were widely believed to be worse than he was.

Just waiting for him to die would not have improved anything. In fact, there would likely have been some pretty heavy stuff reported shortly after his death while they solidified power.

[Name removed]

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[jamesinca]

3. If we had just let the sanctions work and the inspectors too

This matter would have resolved itself in a few years. 9% of all cancer deaths are caused by Lymphomas. Lymphomas make up 8% of all cancers with 9% of all cancer deaths as of 1998. Lung cancer leads with 15% of all cancers and 32% of the mortality from cancer.

This also points out the need to have a health care system. I am sure that Hussein had access to the medical care of the best Iraqi Dr's. If they did not have the science to deal with this or the needed materials, it is the same as having no treatment at all. To subject our population to such standards, considering we have the ability to deal with such things is unforgivable. I recently read the inaugural speech of FDR from March of 1933, he was saying the same thing. It is unforgivable to stand by while such things happen, we no longer have the ability to talk about it we must act.

I guess if we are the shrewd students of the planet we will learn a few lessons from Iraq, not just warmongering.

[Zhade]

43. I must disagree regarding the sanctions.

Unlike Madelaine Albright, I do not believe that half a million dead Iraqi children was "a price worth paying".

By the way, you might want to take another look at how many Iraqis under Hussein (who, let's be clear, was despicable) had health care. The answer might surprise you.

[laruemtt]

4. and thanks to the DU

we've so generously spread over there, lots of innocent iraqis will be getting cancer too. pro life puke.

[retread]

5. Gee what a surprise! Anyone want to bet it's a lot less than

"a couple of years more."

[caledesi]

6. No bets here. I knew he would never stand trial.

Has too much to tell, plus he was NEVER a threat to us. Some people just don't get it.

[izzie]

15. I wonder about these people who are so worried about some

third world country and an old man.

[kymar57]

63. My thoughts exactly

Too bad. Too sick to testify on the involvement of the BFEE in his regime

[izzie]

13. Pre court?

n/t

[hang a left]

38. If I were Saddam

I'd get a second opinion.

[DUreader]

7. AKA Jack Ruby Disease?

[Merlin]

9. You took the words right off my keyboard. Maybe some don't remember.

The upcoming trial of Jack Ruby was about to become a real embarrassment for the JFK assassination cover-up operation. He was claiming he was set up and screaming for attention. One day he starts yammering about a doctor who visited him and injected him with cancer serum. A few weeks later it's announced he has cancer. A few weeks later he dies.

Interestingly, a cancer-inducing "serum" is exactly what Oswald's New Orleans CIA baby-sitter, David Ferrie, was working on, as part of a team that conducted a study at a mental hospital in Clinton, LA, according to the recent revelation of the former clinical assistant who claims she was Oswald's secret lover at the time (her interview I found to be quite convincing).

Yes, they no doubt do indeed have ways to induce cancer. As Church Lady would have said, "Isn't THAT convenient!"

[R Hickey]

18. Oklahoma Senator Mike Sinar also died of "instant cancer."

After he led the Senate inquiry against the cigarette industry, where he exposed all the tobacco CEO's as liars, he came down with a sudden bout of brain-cancer.

Lee Attwater also succumbed to "instant cancer" after getting Poppy Bush elected to his first term. The two seemed to have a falling-out, in which Lee may have tried to blackmail Poppy or something, and then Lee mysteriously came down with brain cancer.

Lee Attwater quickly died, but not before telling reporters that he was sorry about all the dirty campaigning that he'd done to get Poppy elected.

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. "Instant cancer" would be a stupid way to keep people quiet

because those who are about to die, generally tell all. Dying Man's Declaration.

[Judi Lynn]

73. Wouldn't matter if they didn't have access to a public forum

Someone in prison wouldn't have that luxury.

[Zhade]

44. No sympathy for Atwater or Hussein.

Without Atwater, no Rove.

And Hussein, well, yeah.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. That's the same stuff

they injected into Martha Mitchell. She screamed and yelled about it at the time and everyone just thought she was crazy. She died from cancer within the year.

[Soloflecks]

37. You took the words right outta my mouth! n/t

.

[Say_What]

39. Good memory... I saw that too and was also convinced.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

10. Yeah, that or William Casey itis?

another "convenient" strange illness.

[Rex]

30. Didn't Casey die right before the Iran/Contra hearings?

I'm sure he took one for the Gipper.

[Say_What]

40. Yeah, the night before!! At the time that was just way too obvious n/t

[BiggJawn]

23. That's what i'm thinking...

How good for them. He'll die, and then Rumsferatu will eat the corpse (to "gain his strength")

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. Bingo! Probably lots of improvements in that vaccine since Ruby's days.

[papau]

26. 5 years to trial - so no testimony - ever

sigh

:-)

[Say_What]

41. and his personal secretary conveniently *died* yesterday

[foreigncorrespondent]

71. Have you got a link for that?

I must have missed that article.

[soothsayer]

27. hey! that was my early prediction for how they'd off him

right here in the original "how will they kill saddam within the year" thread

[caledesi]

51. You were "right-on" SS! nt

[jmcgowanjm]

33. dioxin/PCB/plutonium-the cancer cocktail of choice for US

Maybe SH ate too much farm raised salmon?

BTW-I want int'l source (Kurds don't qualify)
that this is Saddam.

Forgive me for being so skeptical, but I've been
reading too much USunemployment data.

[caledesi]

50. OMG! Jack Ruby. Yes! nt

[JailForBush]

8. Wow, that's the most convenient cancer since the late Seattle Schools

Superintendent John Stanford was diagnosed with leukemia. Fortunately, Stanford's diagnosis was real. But I have a hunch Saddam's illness was diagnosed by the Pentagon.

[maxsolomon]

54. one track mind

give the seattle public schools a rest. do you even HAVE kids?

if you do, i feel very sorry for them.

[arcos]

11. Sept 2004: Breaking news: Saddam Hussein dies 2 days before trial...

of course, this is very convenient because he probably will not live long enough to have a trial... no danger of past business deals been exposed.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

12. Oct 2004: LBN: The real Saddam Hussein publishes his

autobiography 16 days before the US elections.

The FBI, after a shootout with the USSS in which several officers from both agencies were killed, raided the White House, the U.S. Naval Observatory home of the Vice President, and arrested the President and Vice President on charges that include treason, murder, conspiracy, and perjury.
After breaking down the door to his Pentagon office, investigators found Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and an un-identified man dead from self-inflicted gunshots.
Democratic front runner Richard Gephardt was rounded up with a number of other prominent Senators and held as a material witness in a possible war crimes tribunal to be convened in the Broxn, New York in three days.


A boy can dream, can't he?

[acmavm]

14. Oh brother, so it's gonna be cancer is it? I knew something would come

up, but cancer? I expected him to hang himself with his belt (conveniently forgotten to be taken by his jailers), or something like that. But this is really imaginative. Death by natural causes. Wanna bet that soon we hear it's farther advanced than doctor's suspected and voila, he croaks?

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

17. And of course "we" can trot out that picture of the army doc

looking in his throat, and Saddam pointing to his throat and can say that we did everything we could do for him, but he was too far gone for us to save him.

[kutastha]

19. no doubt

But then it'd sure make that whole invasion thing kinda moot.

[0007]

16. You can bet there will be no hurry or if any to slow the growth

rate. I'm curious to know if the cancer has spread to any organs.

Perhaps all this was known before his capture. The U.S. can't afford to let this man, Saddam Hussein go to trial.

[lefty_mcduff]

21. How conveeeeeeeeeeenient.

Guess those big public show trials are toast now, huh?

[Junkdrawer]

22. Well, DUer "baldguy" predicted this on Dec 14...

The plan always was to capture Saddam alive.

After all his GOOD FREIND Don Rumsfeld would never let anything happen to him.

Saddam is going to be treated with kid gloves, maybe even be moved into one of his old palaces - for "security" ya' know - before he's diagnosed with some advanced form of deadly inoperable cancer.

"Always speak your mind, even if your voice trembles." - Maggie Kuhn

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=903164#903363

[coda]

25. Found several stories last summer/fall, mentioning cancer '96,'98 and '00.

From '98

Saddam Hussein has cancer

AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE

JERUSALEM, Oct 21: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has cancer and is undergoing chemotherapy, Israel's privately-run second television channel said today.

A reporter for the channel in Washington to cover the Wyeriver peace summit, citing "Arab and western sources", said Israeli officials would pass on news of Saddam's illness to US officials.

Kuwait's Al-Rai Al-Aam newspaper reported on October 7 that French doctors had found in August the 61-year-old Iraqi leader had a tumour in his intestinal tract. If the tumour is not treated, it could turn into cancer of the spinal chord, the paper said, adding such treatment often caused the patient to turn aggressive.


http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981022/29550584p.html

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Monday, 4 September, 2000, 09:58 GMT 10:58 UK

Saddam 'stricken with lymph cancer'


Saddam keeps his public appearances to a minimum

The Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein, is reported to be suffering from lymph cancer and to be preparing to undergo chemotherapy.
An influential Arabic newspaper, the London-based Ash-Sharq al-Awsat, says a family council led by his youngest son, Qusay, is ready to take control if he dies.

The Saudi-financed paper quoted an Iraqi doctor "with an excellent reputation" as saying that a medical team of three French doctors, one German and one Swede was looking after the Iraqi leader.


<snip>

He is suffering from pain in the joints, breathing difficulties, poor eyesight, temporary memory loss and lack of concentration, the doctor is quoted as saying.

Previously, Saddam Hussein had "refused to submit to chemotherapy," the doctor said, "but he will have to submit to this solution, which has been recommended by a team of Iraqi doctors specialising in cancer".

more....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/908930.stm




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http://www.jewishsf.com/bk960202/icancer.htm


February 2, 1996

Saddam Hussein reportedly has lymph cancer


LONDON (JPS) -- Iraqi President Saddam Hussein is suffering from lymphatic cancer, according to Middle East sources quoted by the London-based newsletter, Foreign Report.

The cancer is described as a form of Hodgkin's Disease, which is not necessarily fatal if detected at a relatively early stage. Saddam is reported to be receiving treatment from European specialists, who have been summoned to Baghdad.

Among the symptoms are intermittent low-grade fever, itching of the skin and enlargement of the lymph nodes.

Saddam is said to be receiving radiation therapy and steroids, which have left him slightly bloated.


http://www.jewishsf.com/bk960202/icancer.htm

[Timefortruth]

56. Assuming he has cancer, with all our superior intelligence

couldn't the NSA, CIA, DOD or NRA have done a Google search and found it out?

Oh that's right they don't use Google because if they had they would have also discovered the Niger documents were forgeries.

[demdave]

59. SSSHHHH

people are trying to express their belief that this is a common practice for the U.S. government. Don't confuse them with facts.

edited because my kids spilt orange juice on my keyboard and now half the keys stick.:)

[spotbird]

61. Um, Dave what you are saying is that you think your president

and his stealth investigators didn't know this before the invasion. Which is it, they knew and kept it from the public? Or their intelligence was so faulty that they didn't even know this "public" fact. Or third, and just as likely, the current report of illness is a set-up for Saddam's quick demise.

Finally, since when has the right wing of the US political spectrum been shy about eliminating foreign dictators when those dictators no longer serve their purpose? These are people who admit that the invasion of foreign nations is justified in the name of empire building, you think that eliminating a nuisance like Saddam would cause them a second thought?

Do you and Rush have the same housekeeper?

[demdave]

64. Which of YOUR arguments are YOU not going to refute.

Bush kept the "public" facts from the public? This is a setup even though the cancer was known about for years? You really try to have it all ways don't you?

This was public knowledge years ago, so there was nothing to keep from the public and there was nothing to "setup". As for the quick demise, people survive for many years with this form of cancer, and lead active productive lives.

So keep your sarcasm and extreme lack of coherent thought to yourself. Try to pick a point and stay on it next time.

[spotbird]

65. Oh, I missed the part of the State of the Union address where *

said Saddam will be dead in two years if we do nothing. Are you suggesting that the public should have done their own research on the state of Saddam's health before they developed an opinion as to whether the invasion was appropriate?

My point is that there is not a way to view this news except as a continuation of the deceit promulgated by this administration. You think that we are to believe their lies and omissions aren't lies. You are quite mistaken on that point.

IfSaddam had cancer for years that should have been part of the public debate leading up to the invasion. Since it wasn't there is now way to know if the early reports were true or not. One report has the cancer in Saddam's gut; another has him dead two years ago. Clearly the accuracy of the reports is questionable.

If the reports were wrong their existence helpless the set-up Saddam won't be around for long. We all know that a long life for Saddam spells disaster for your President. What I don't get is why you would think that the US wouldn't have him killed?

My original post to you suggested alternative theories, the idea that there is more than one possible answer must have been very confusing to you. Next time I'll make it simpler for you.

[demdave]

66. You are believing an unidentified source that he will be dead in 2 years.

I have also posted a report from an exiled official that said he died of his cancer in 1999 and imposters were being used in his place.

I don't take as fact either. I do, however, know for a fact that his cancer was public knowledge since at least 1996. I also know people can survive decades or longer with this cancer.

I don't recall the administration commenting on his cancer...ever. So I am not trusting their lies on this point.

I also don't recall ever stating that the public should fact check anything, but since you brought it up, that is what I do. I do quick googles, it takes about 3 minutes, before I start spreading unfounded conspiracy theories about how the government induced this cancer to keep Saddam from trial. I would rather be informed and late to post than the first fool out of the gate.

But that is just me. Others can operate in here any way they see fit.

[spotbird]

67. Dave,

Which is it? Did your president lie by omission when he implied invasion was necessary to oust Saddam or are the reports in the foreign press preceding this news wrong? It really is an either or dilemma.

Now, this will be the confusing part to you because it suggests a third possibility, could the administration be manipulating the earlier reports to its advantage to explain Saddam's early and convenient death?

This is really going to throw you off because it adds yet another layer. * and his chorines are bad people, in every sense of the word. They lied about the reason to invade by all accounts costing thousands of lives, why would you think it was beneath them to kill a single person who could cost them enormous embarrassment?

[demdave]

68. I have no doubt they could use the fact he has had cancer to cover

a convienient death. I even believe they could release this news knowing full well that most people had either forgotten or never known about it before.

What I took exception to were the alarmists that were saying that we had induced the cancer with some sort of poison potion in order for him to die early. This makes up look like kooks and conspiracy crazies.

I hold winning the next election above dancing around like fools and yelling about the BFEE. The folks here at the DU are not going to carry a national election. We have to gain popular support from people who are not as rampantly partisan. Subscribing to farflung conspiracy theories and invoking Hitler and using terms like "sheeple" are counter productive. It makes the news and the general public then tune out the following messages. Unlike here, once you are perceived by the common folk as "wingnuts", everything you say after that is ignored out of hand. Even if it is true.


There, that is my daily rant on that subject.

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. Bush's interpretation: Saddam's cancer is proof that he was near WMD.

The radiation must have altered his cells.

[Rex]

29. HA! I knew they would never let him have a trial.

I'm sure "a couple of years more" will translate into a few months.

[Voice_of_Europe]

32. Medicine will save him!!!

I bet they will do everything possible to keep him alive.. so they can trial him... and then execute him... (imprison for life wouldn't make much sense to a cancer patient anyway)

[Say_What]

42. Kinda like they did with that mentally ill prisoner a few nights ago

Forced him to take medication so that he was sane enough to execute!! :puke:

[Zhade]

47. Why? The traitors in the White House don't want a public trial.

If one was held, all the dirty little "secrets" (secret only to a brainwashed sheeple) about how US funding and support for Hussein came about under Ronald Ray-gun and Poppy Bush would be exposed.

They'd prefer this guy dead. Bush and his cronies don't give a fuck about taking care of justice. They're more into taking care of "just us".

[loudsue]

34. Meanwhile, our soldiers keep dying in Iraq every day.

For what? Bush couldn't very well let the Shiites take control of Iraq, now, could he? After all...they're in the majority, and DEMOCRACIES are ruled by the majority!

Al Gore got the majority vote in the U.S., and we didn't get who we elected, either! Where is Democracy??

Certainly not allowed in the U.S., and CERTAINLY not allowed in Iraq.

This world gets more convoluted by the minute. Saddam was going to die anyway. We didn't have to sacrifice 500 lives and 9,000 wounded U.S. soldiers. Just another year or so, and Iraq would have been rid of Saddam. Looks like bush didn't want that to happen.

Geeez!

:kick:

[David__77]

35. How absolutely predictable.

This is a combination of military propaganda and potential damage control in the event of his untimely death, if coming from an official source. On the other hand, it is possible he has cancer, but that's not really the point.

[Zero Gravitas]

36. Further proof that Bush is a reckless idiot

Iraq had no WMDs, had no ties to terrorism and was never a threat to the US and would have been dead in a year or two anyway.

I'm not a tin foil hat type, but it is awfuly lucky for Bush that they guy will be dead in year or two: Bush can cut and run from the mess he made in Iraq without having to worry about Saddam somehow slithering his way back into power.

<church ladt>How conveeeeeeeeeeenient</church lady>

[candy331]

45. Seems kind of embarrassing to

wage war against a dilapidated starved nation to capture a dying man. Now who really is the tyrant?

[Say_What]

46. And the *real* tyrant is....

[Kellanved]

48. correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIR there were pre-war reports

about Saddam undergoing cancer treatment. I don't remember the source - can someone come up with a link?

[demdave]

55. Saddam's cancer was referred to in Sept. 2000

The Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein, is reported to be suffering from lymph cancer and to be preparing to undergo chemotherapy.
An influential Arabic newspaper, the London-based Ash-Sharq al-Awsat, says a family council led by his youngest son, Qusay, is ready to take control if he dies.

The Saudi-financed paper quoted an Iraqi doctor "with an excellent reputation" as saying that a medical team of three French doctors, one German and one Swede was looking after the Iraqi leader.


Moslem al-Asadi, a doctor living in exile in Iran, said he believes the real Saddam died in 1999 from cancer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/908930.stm

And March 2003

"The real Saddam died because he had cancer of the LYMPH NODES, and since his death in 1999 they're just showing his doubles," he told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31718

Saddam Hussein Is Still in Full Control Despite Early Stages of Cancer

DEBKAfile Special Report

September 4, 2000, 2:51 PM (GMT+02:00)

DEBKAfile sources in the Arab world report that the rumors flooding the Middle East about Saddam Hussein having contracted lymph cancer were started by the wily dictator himself. He feared that uncontrolled rumors would spark an upheaval in the ruling family and the army command and become a weapon in the hands of his enemies at home and abroad. According to those sources, in no time at all, the bare facts have already been lavishly embroidered. There affirm there is no truth to the accounts that Saddam has secluded himself in his palaces in Baghdad, admitting no one but his doctors. They also deny emphatically descriptions of a ruler confused, unfocused and suffering loss of memory for many hours of the day. Quite the opposite. The disease is still in its early stages and his hand is said to be still firm on the levers of government - so much so that he is looking ahead calmly to the stage of being overcome by the disease and is methodically preparing his government for that moment. At the same time, there is no confirmation to the rumor that Saddam has placed his young son Kusai at the head of the family council - or that the council has become operative at all.


http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=115

But don't let the facts get in the way of anyones agenda. Tinfoiler don't google.

[kentuck]

49. He was JackRubied if...

that is true.

[daleo]

52. I thought it would be a plane crash or prison break

And a few U.S. military personnel would perish along with him, just to 'prove' that there was no hanky-panky. I guess I am too cynical.

[demdave]

57. Saddam's cancer has been known about for years

so all the conspiracy theorists are just like rocks in an empty tin can. All noise and no substance.

[TomNickell]

70. All you tinfoilers are missing the obvious point.....

If Saddam has cancer and is about to die anyway, there wasn't much point in invading Iraq to take him out.

Was there?

If it transpires that the Admin -knew- Saddam has cancer and invaded anyway, that's a nasty political argument against them. Better than fake uranium. If they -didn't- know, -why- didn't they know?


If the right people want Saddam dead before a trial, I imagine there are ways of making -that- happen. Just leave him unguarded in the right crowd.

No need to choke him with tinfoil.


>>Edited to add a comma.

[yellowcanine]

58. So he would have died anyway in a couple of years?

Tell me again why it was so danged important to fight this war.

[PATRICK]

60. Read coda's post of earlier news

Soooo. Most people in the know(not me, it's hard to catch the flyby news that the journalists can't remember)knew Saddam was about to die, was preoccupied with survival, incompetent, isolated, with two psychopathic heirs who also would be lucky just to hang on....add that to NO WMD's and even precious little on paper. Add that to the obvious success of UN pressure.

So why were the news people drumming for the war? Was the Congress(including the ruined Kerry) so concerned about the sham of "imminent" danger because Saddam was running out of time? there was absolutely nothing else to provoke any kind of war resolution. Since it rested on that and that alone why is the argument shifting all around the issue, dribbling a hint here, an admission there?

This is more damning than the reasonable suspicions of foul play that are colorful, convenient and timely, but what this absolutely reminds us is that the single leg all this blood and criminality stood on was Imminent WMD, not future- which absolutely never existed and were lied about shamelessly(Powell's childish obfuscations of what he "really" said in Feb. of course notwithstanding).

The second issue of waiting breathlessly for Hussein to accomplish any good like speaking the truth is at base doubtful. These guys never do any good or have any redemptive value. And stupid or cowardly enough to die without getting a shot off? Happens all the time. The great understatement, a single word that summarizes the "greatness" of these schmoes is "disappointment". All they have left is their miserable secrets.

You now those macabre secret murder stories might be true, but what's the point? As if, in a sea of cover-up and denial, any of these straws would have been the saving final redemption of the system's massive failure! We know way way enough now, don't you think? About time someone was held accountable instead of waiting for this or that to be the "it" factor. Ken Starr or Matt Drudge accomplished much more with absolutely nothing.

[DUreader]

72. "Most people in the know knew Saddam was about to die..."

Good Points And Far More Damaging Than The Speculation.

I think this deserves its own thread maybe in the GD or Ed forum

[Skittles]

69. so, he won't be able to stand trial

yes, I get it