Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush

[arcos]

Iowa Voter Blasts Dean for Knocking Bush

Howard Dean (news - web sites) rejected a voter's request to be more neighborly and stop "mean mouthing" President Bush (news - web sites), saying Sunday someone needs to stand up to the president.

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"Please tone down the garbage, the mean mouthing, the tearing down of your neighbor and being so pompous," Ungerer told the former Vermont governor and Democratic front-runner. "You should help your neighbor and not tear him down."

"George Bush is not my neighbor," Dean replied.

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"That is exactly the problem. Under the guise of 'support your neighbor' we're all expected not to criticize the president because it's unpatriotic," Dean said to enthusiastic applause. "I think it's unpatriotic to do some of the things that this president has done to this country."

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=4&u=/ap/20040111/ap_on_el_pr/dean_criticizing_bush

[rfranklin]

1. This moron is claiming to be a Democrat?

Or was this another Freeper moment?

[alcuno]

5. I think it was CNN that reported that this was a registered Republican

and that the Dean crowd cheered Dean on.

[Name removed]

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[Endangered Specie]

15. or a Zell Miller style democrat

(elephant in donkey clothes)

[DemBones DemBones]

33. I'll put Zell's gubernatorial record up against Howard Dean's!

I'll bet a close examination of each record would prove me right that Zell was a more liberal governor than Howard was.

I live in Georgia so I remember what Zell did as governor, and I've read up on Howard's record in Vermont. Zell has changed since he got to D.C. , and maybe Howard would as well. People sometimes turn out to be different from what we expect, and different from how they were in the past. But usually people continue to behave in a fairly consistent manner.

And if Howard Dean manages to be elected and then continues to behave as he has in the past, he will pretty much be an elephant in a donkey suit:

corporate-friendly; willing to gives business interests special breaks and special access to him;

almost obsessive about balancing government budgets, even if he has to cut programs for the poor, the elderly, the disabled, as he did in Vermont;

a self-described "fiscal conservative" who is known to like to hold onto his own money and squeeze every nickel until it bleeds;

and a politician with a chronic case of foot in mouth disease, plus an unsavory tendency to lie as a matter of course, deny his lies when he's caught, and not be big enough to apologize when he's caught lying or makes mistakes.

[bluestateguy]

2. Could someone provide a video link to this episode?

I would like to see it.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. Dale Ungerer is a "Facsist"! He does not believe that we should....

have decent! What kind of F--- is this tyrant wannabe??? :puke:
I do not have enough adjectives to describe this :puke:

[BenFranklinUSA]

41. Much of Middle America is Ungerer-ish

Issues and party affiliations aside, Ungerer is a perfect example of many who "hate politics" because of what appears to them to be a lack of civility.
These people do vote (even whem they say they don't!), and tend to vote against the politician who represents to them, the antithesis of "what this country was founded on." (i.e. the less you look and act staesmanly, the worse you are for America).
Don't be shocked if Dean gets lower than expected numbers in the mid-west (and maybe even the south) for his arrogance (perceived or real).

[KansDem]

49. If only this were true...

These people do vote (even whem they say they don't!), and tend to vote against the politician who represents to them, the antithesis of "what this country was founded on." (i.e. the less you look and act staesmanly, the worse you are for America).

Proven by Bush himself no less! But really, where were you in 2000? Remember "Pussy?"
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemId=9010

Remember "Major league asshole?"
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11488

Remember "You son of a bitch,” ... “I saw what you wrote. We’re not going to forget this."?
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/082701a.html

Remember the DUI?
Remember the arrests for vandalism and theft?
Remember the cocaine arrest?

And yet you want us to think that a negative comment from Dean about Bush is going to turn off middle-American voters from Dean?

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Bush has all the civility of a rat with rabies and middle-America voted for him in droves.

Don't get me started!

[BenFranklinUSA]

53. For better or worse...

I do not believe the avg. mid-western american would see any of these as seriously disrespectful because the 'victims' are largely the Press, or accepted behaviour.

The subject they are reacting to is "attacking a sitting President at a time of 'war'".

The bottom line is a lot of these folks are suspect of liberals in the first place, so they are just looking for reasons to proclaim "not him".

[KansDem]

56. Oh, sure...

I do not believe the avg. mid-western american would see any of these as seriously disrespectful because the 'victims' are largely the Press, or accepted behaviour.

If discussing "pussy" with your father isn't "seriously disrespectful," then what is? We have to assume that George Sr. contributed stories of the "pussy" he's experienced. Where does that take us? Discussions of Barb! So George Jr. likes to talk about his mother's vagina (or her ability to use it) and you don't think this is "seriously disrespectful?"

I don't know where you go out to eat, but if I'm in a restaurant and I witness an exchange where someone walks up to a table and screams, "You fucking son-of-a-bitch!", I don't think I would frequent that eating establishment again, lest for the chance of experiencing another rube exchange of serious disrespect: for himself and for the others around him.

You don't REALLY believe this is accepted behavior (If so, then perhaps Middle America gets the president it deserves...)???

I could understand your description of criticizing a sitting president at time of war, but since this is HIS war, created apparently to avenge HIS father (and to grab some oil), and sold with lies and deceit (this SHOULD be becoming more apparent, even to "middle America"), then "middle America" needs to wake up and "get over" it's buyer's remorse. Sure, Middle America voted for Bush. After all, he was a "good ol' boy, never meanin' no harm," a GOOD CHRISTIAN (always a selling point with Middle America), a “family values” kind of guy (vague, but another selling point with Middle America), but made a few mistakes, which, according to you is "accepted behaviour," but NOW Middle America needs to see him for what he is: a spoiled, stupid frat boy whose irresponsible actions have caused 500 US military lives, and thousands of Iraqi lives, cost this country billions of $$$, while creating numerous problems for untold generations of Americans to come. GET OVER IT, MIDDLE AMERICA!!! Your boy’s a dud; a liar, cheat, criminal and murderer. You voted for him in 2000; now unvote him out in 2004.

And another thing, Middle America: I don’t want to hear any more whining about “Ooooh, oooh, that Democrat just said something despairingly about unserer lieber Fuehrer! Ooooh, I’ll show him, I’ll vote against him! Ooooh, oooh!!

Hey, Middle America! Get a life, and stay out of the polling booth!

[westman]

44. "Fascist" is a little excessive, don't you think?

The other Dem candidates have said even worse things about Dean.

[ixion]

4. hmmm... so it was okay to badmouth clinton

but not bush... gimme a break. :eyes:

[gristy]

6. Dupe

discuss here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=101054

gobs of posts

[arcos]

26. not a dupe...

GD2k4P is a different forum...

[JasonDeter]

7. The republican operatives are out trying to get Dean angry.

Then the media world really have a story right? So far all they've done is make me scratch my head wondering why they printed or reported on air some of these stories.

[Name removed]

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[goforit]

18. Yep!!!!..We should have forces out ready to deal with fascist hecklers!!

Time to place the pressure on the media!!!

[JasonDeter]

34. We have to email them en masse for them to get the message

But who co ordinates it? Some one has to be the general.

[Eloriel]

19. You should've seen the way FoxNews treated it

Almost like breaking news. Further, they edited the clip so that it removed any mention of Bush by the voter, and they also edited some of Dean's response, tho they could hardly leave out the mentions of Bush. That made Dean's statement look a little odd since the question we saw wasn't about Bush at all.

[schultzee]

24. If I watched Fox I would throw something at the TV.

[schultzee]

23. Someone needs to tell someone who knows Dean this and

Dean needs to run a counter ad to that stupid one about Volvos and Lattes. Where I live there are people who own trucks and old vans who are Dean supporters. He need to show a commercial of these ordianary people.

[JasonDeter]

35. Dean is good at in your face politic. If he wins the nomination

I look forward to the general election.

[0007]

57. I'm positive that Dean will counter those two ugly people

that tells Dean to go back to Vermont. That was one nasty advertisement. I think it was Karl Rove in incognito and Linda Tripp's mother.

Are we talking about the same ad? LOL!!

[BenFranklinUSA]

42. Uh, What Happens When Dean Gets Angry?

If you're suggesting Dean has anger-mgmt issues, he better seek professional help before it costs him the nomination.

[bobbyboucher]

66. Whatev.

Stick to the gameplan.

[DS1]

8. George Bush IS A MAN'S MAN, SO STOP BEING MEAN, MEANIE!

fucking repubs :eyes:

[Cha]

10. Go Dean! Yes, that particular Iowa

voter just doesn't get it!

No one deserves to be told the truth about more than bush league.

[Davis_X_Machina]

12. Why doesn't the headline say...

"Dean Humors, Hears Out GOP Heckler"?

It's at least accurate....

[bushisanidiot]

13. Golly Gee, Ya Think Boil Ass Limbaugh Was Neighborly Toward Pres. Clinton?

hell fucking no.

stick it do president dumbass, Dean!!!!!

[ellie]

14. How Clintonesque

Remember when Bill was being heckled during a speech and he stopped and listened to the complaint, then answered it? Good for Dean, he can't be pushed around. All of the nonminees should do this. We have to have a united front.

[Gysgt213]

16. Bet this clown was eating up the Clinton years

[goforit]

17. Once again......a Fabulous response from DEAN!!! He's awesome!!!

Heckled by a pro-bushco zombie, he steps forward with his
head up high and tells it like it is!!!

Yes, Bush is not our neighbor much less a leagal citizen in that
he is the biggest traitor to OUR democracy!!!!

Shows how desparate these repugs are.

[TheMiddleRoad]

20. Thats a bunch of shit

Ask this same guy if he should stop tearing down his neighbor Bill Clinton.

[LiberalFighter]

21. Remember what Reagan said in a similar situation?

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"Yes, he is," Ungerer said, to which Dean responded: "You sit down. You've had your say and now I'm going to have my say."
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Specifically to George H W Bush. I believe Reagan said that he paid for the microphone.

[LiberalFighter]

22. This Republican, Dale Ungerer must had retired early

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The 58-year-old truck driver who lives on the family farm surprised relatives and neighbors alike when he showed up for the Hawkeye Fun Days parade with his extra hefty hunk of corn on the cob.
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Story Here It is right after the Gary Burghoff of MASH story.

Should be 65 or 66 now. Would seem awfully young for a Republican to retire at that age especially I would think a truck driver. Though he probably runs the farm.

[schultzee]

25. He is probably a crazy Jerry Falwell fundi

[truth2power]

27. Good for Dean!

I don't know who that "voter" was; maybe he was for real, maybe not. But I'm getting fed up with people telling our candidates they shouldn't bash the pResident. Tell that to the liars and hate-mongers on the other side.

[0007]

39. No fucking way that voter was for real!

The freepers know every move these candidate make.

'Tis a good sign though, it shows how scare they are of Dean.

[scarface2004]

28. you sure..

it wasn t donald zegretti??!!

[are_we_united_yet]

29. Your'e right you A hole

He should have tearing you down for being so stupid to vote for *

[Guaranteed]

30. Right ON, Dean!!

YES, YES, YES. Damned right I'm voting for Dean.

[ThoughtCriminal]

31. Compare Dean's response

to Bush's famous "Who cares what you think!"

[CheshireCat]

32. This is why Dean is the one who will defeat Bush.

Dean knows how to handle himself in adverse situations. He is not afraid to stand up for himself and the Democratic Party. There is nothing "mealy mouth" about him.

Whoever we nominate will have to work with a press that is trying to tear him/her apart. I loved Gore, but he couldn't handle the press. Dean can. He is a winner.

Let me add that while I think Dean is the one to defeat Bush, Kucinich has my heart. Dean is too conservative.

Unfortunately, I do not have the luxury of voting for my favorite candidate in 2004. Bush must be defeated or we will have no chance of regaining our democracy.

I want my country back!

[wildwww2]

40. Kucinich as my heart too. But I agree. Dean can beat Bu$h Inc. and scared

they are. I hope Howard is real carefull with small planes. Once the new space cowboys find out Howard Dean is going to whoop their ass. Then they will get really nasty. Watch.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[Cocoa]

36. imagine if Bush didn't have "free speech zones"

I like the democracy at dem events. :toast:

[Democat]

37. Right wing media says he is a "voter", not a right winger

If it was a Democrat at a Bush speech, he would have been nothing more than a "disruptor" or a "liberal disruptor".

What bullshit the right wing media spins.

[progressivebydesign]

55. If that was a Bush speech?

His ass would have been thrown in jail so fast. He'd forever be on the "do not fly" list. He's a troll.. a luddite troll. Those are the ones that don't have the internet to harrass people.

[dusty64]

38. Yeah great advice

from a repub. The "Mr. Niceguy" routine has worked wonders for the Democratic establishment so far hasn't it.

[Ramsey]

43. A Nit Pickler

That's what blogger Atrios calls this reporter, Nedra Pickler. He's been featuring her particularly bad articles on his blog for weeks now, and it's pretty damn funny. Apparently she writes nothing but hack jobs about Democrats. She also has an annoying tendency to juxtapose two totally different subjects as if they were equivalent.

Her latest idiocy, from Atrios: "ROCHESTER, N.H. - Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean on Friday criticized President Bush for restricting stem-cell research based on religious beliefs even though his own faith affected his decision to extend legal rights to gay couples."

When Nedra Pickler writes her stupid column equating two entirely different things, she neglects to point out that having religion be a substitute for science is not the same thing as being guided by religion in other areas.

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And, from dKos: Boy, can you believe media whore Nedra Pickler wasted an entire news story on a heckler at a Dean event? One heckler.

"Howard Dean rejected a voter's request to be more neighborly and stop "mean mouthing" President Bush, saying Sunday someone needs to stand up to the president. Dale Ungerer, a retiree from Hawkeye, Iowa, lectured Dean for nearly three minutes near the end of a forum aimed at winning voters for Iowa's Jan. 19 caucuses."

Pickler sees this as a story. And this from an AP that routinely ignores protesters at Bush events tucked safely away, out of sight, in their designated "First Amendment zones". But one wingnut makes a scene at a Dean rally, and Nedra is on the case!

We're at war. People are dying. That war was sold with lies. North Korea has nukes. The entire country created a measly 1,000 jobs in December. Blue- AND white-collar Jobs are being exported at alarming rates. We're facing record deficits and a runaway debt. The dollar is sinking. Our civil liberties are being stripped away. Millions lack basic health insurance.

Uh oh -- stop the frickin' presses! -- a Republican heckled a Democratic presidential candidate.

Is this what the press has to offer? Meanwhile the whores on Meet The Press chuckle at those wacky bloggers, and their unsubstantiated and quite puzzling anger at the media.

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BTW, the article says towards the end that the heckler was a registered Republican. He was just there to disrupt, folks. Please go to the Yahoo article and rate it a 1. This is just such media whoredom, I think it should be discouraged.

[fjc]

45. Dean needs to find his sense of humor...

Respond to that stuff by wisecracking. "What do ya want me to do, kiss him"? "Wake up, bub, this is a political campaign." Something like that. I don't know.

[Oreegone]

46. Give em' hell Howard

I love it that he doesn't back down from this kind of attack. He handled the guy well. He has lived in the country long enough to know how to handle a rightwing redneck.

We need someone like this that will not back down. What is this crap I see on this forum about Deans temper. If he had such an out of control temper, believe me we would have seen it by now. I think he has a measured controlled temper and will be at his best not his worst when he is pissed. They are going to make him look just plain glorious by attacking him.

[monobrau]

47. Here's why I like Dean

I can just see Gore or Leiberman taking the bait and trying to pull punches with this guy. Dean knows this is an operative and doesn't play. If you like Bush, vote for him, but get the hell out of our way. We have a country to save.

[Polemonium]

48. This says it all about the level of dialogue in this country

Criticism is unpatriotic, how did we get here? The debating club must look like a bunch of radicals to these people.

[Barkley]

50. If Ungerer got offended

then he probably needed it!


It amazes me how one man's comments can get this much media attention. And his comments had nothing to do with policies or substances.

A lot of white men in the Midwest do identify with Bush and see attacks on him as attacks on them. "He put me down definitely because he is who he is," Ungerer said.

Being a 'Rep. who occasionally votes Democratic' I wonder if this guy drives a pick-up truck with a Confederate flag on the back.

[Blue Gardener]

61. Maybe a Pickup Truck

But we're a little far north for confederate flags. Don't see a lot of them around here.

[lebkuchen]

51. If you'd heard this guy's well rehearsed statement ,

you would know that he wasn't your average Iowa farmer (I'm from Iowa).

[enki23]

52. apparently he hasn't seen the anti-dean ad

what was it again? "...latte drinking, body piercing, hollywood loving leftist freakshow..." or something like that?

[progressivebydesign]

54. "Voter"?

I love how they throw that term around. Hell... Jeffrey Dahmer was probably a "voter" at some point in his life. Was this fool voting at the moment he was heckling? How could you call they call him a "voter"? He was a freeper setup. Couldn't wait for his little shot at fame... probably pissing his pants waiting to stand up and say his little rehearsed lines. I have no doubt he is quite the celebrity this morning. Anyone wanna wager a bet as to how many Fox "news" shows this guy shows up on??? He's going to be the next Linda Tripp, until they toss his ass away like used toilet paper.. as they do to everyone that serves a temporary purpose.

This is news to the American media?

[skypilot]

58. "You should help your neighbor."

Yeah, help him move the fuck out of the White House. I'll rent the U-Haul.

[bobthedrummer]

59. All of the Democratic candidates SHOULD be bashing Bush

with everything they've got, and all of the Democrats in the House and Senate too.

While we're at it Republicans should be defending our Constitution too instead of going along with the neo-conservative cabal of lying traitors around this administration that have their own fascist agenda IMO.

[fshrink]

60. Ain't my neighbor either!

And that ain't "garbage". Garbage is what is being served to us on a daily basis for the last 3 years.

[flaminbats]

62. The re pukes are pathetic whiners.

They whine for us to be nice. They whine if we tell the truth about about their Godly hero. They whine when Democrats criticize them for doing something wrong, but they hold the idiots now in power to the lowest possible standards. They whine about 9/11, but expect no level of security or protection of our freedom from the President. They whine about class warfare, but have never provided any agenda..as the majority party, to balance the budget. They whine about patriotism, but never do anything patriotic. And they whine about sacrifice, but would never sacrifice anything they consider valuable to their country.

They are nothing but party of whiners, and they're vision for America is to blame Democrats first.

[w4rma]

63. Give 'em hell, Howard! (n/t)

[NotTooPrettyBad]

64. Dean told him to "SIT DOWN"

Was that really a smart thing to do to a citizen regardless of his politic?

[EMAN51]

65. The interested "citizen" got what he deserved

I was in the crowd of people listening to Reagan speak in San Diego a few days before the 1980 election when we apparently got too loud for him and he told us to "shut up". This boob went to confront Dean and when Dean began his response he was rudely interrupted by this person. The "sit down" was the appropriate response to this elderly rabblerouser. Unpatriotic to question the president? It would be unpatriotic not to challenge the president for this immoral and illegal conflict, as well as the other insanities reaped upon the country by this administration.

[bobbyboucher]

67. Wait a minute

Was that you?