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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:37 PM
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Gitmo troops vandalise Wikipedia
Source: The Age (Australia)

US military personnel at Guantanamo Bay called Fidel Castro a transsexual and defended the prison for terrorism suspects in anonymous web postings, an internet group that publishes government documents said today.

The group, Wikileaks, tracked web activity by service members with Guantanamo email addresses and also found they deleted prisoner identification numbers from three detainee profiles on Wikipedia, the popular online encyclopedia that allows anyone to change articles.

Julian Assange, who led the research effort, said the postings amount to propaganda and deception.

"This is the American government speaking to the American people and to the world through Wikipedia, not identifying itself and often speaking about itself in the third person," Assange said in a telephone interview from Paris.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/gitmo-troops-vandalise-wikipedia/2007/12/13/1197135602444.html
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:05 PM
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1. charming
love wikileaks
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:19 AM
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13. "charming" ? maybe. Most certainly sad beyond belief.
lots of :cry: and :grouphug: for all. and :banghead: for me going on.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:17 PM
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2. gvt posting anonymously? hmmm. Need to check it out. Here's a wikileak link about it
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 10:18 PM by uppityperson
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:18 PM
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3. Use of government property for political purpoes is a violation of the law!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:24 PM
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5. Ever see this fun page and "non political information"?
Looks like it is for political purposes. I used to send bits to media people whom they quoted, then the STRS bit went down for a while. Been back up and going strong for a while.
http://www.whitehouse.gov.edgesuite.net/news/setting-record-straight/

Basically, it is whining about media misrepresentation, with proof such as (for instance) "mrbush said so" several times so it is so.

http://www.whitehouse.gov.edgesuite.net/news/releases/2007/11/20071114-8.html
Setting the Record Straight: President Bush Is Working to Keep Taxes Low for All Americans
Allowing The President's Tax Cuts To Expire Means A Tax Increase For Every American Who Pays Income Taxes

"Since I took office, we've cut taxes for every American who pays income taxes. … allows the tax relief we delivered to be taken away. Here's what that would mean for the average taxpayer: If you have children, your taxes would rise $500 per child. If you have a family of four making $60,000 a year, your taxes would be more than $1,800 higher. If you're a small business owner, your taxes would increase almost $4,000. … The price of these tax increases would not be paid in the halls of Congress – it would be paid in living rooms and shop floors and office buildings across America."

The New York Times inaccurately claims President Bush "devotes much of his energy … to prevent Democratic majorities in Congress from raising taxes on high-income households." (Edmund L. Andrews and Robert Pear, "Bush, Confident On Economy, Vetoes Domestic Spending Bill," The New York Times, 11/14/07, Emphasis Added)

* If Congressional Democrats allow the President's tax relief to expire, EVERY American who pays income taxes will face a tax increase:
o The average taxpayer with children would see their taxes raised by $500 per child;
o A family of four making $60,000 a year would face a tax increase of more than $1,800 a year, on average;
o Around 26 million small business owners would suffer a tax increase of more than $4,000 a year, on average; and
o 5 million low-income Americans who currently do not pay income taxes would be forced to once again pay income taxes ...(more)




Or:
http://www.whitehouse.gov.edgesuite.net/news/releases/2007/11/20071102-2.html
Setting the Record Straight: Democrats' SCHIP Bill Repackages Bad Policy
Senate Wastes Time With Partisan Political Statements Instead Of Passing A Bill To Cover Poor Kids First

"The Senate passed another SCHIP bill with major flaws, especially its failure to cover poor children first. Congress has known for weeks that the President would veto this bill. … Like the previous bill, this bill also shifts children with private insurance onto the government rolls, uses taxpayers' dollars to subsidize middle class families, and raises taxes. It does all this while costing even more over the next five years than the version the President previously vetoed."
- White House Press Secretary Dana Perino, 11/1/07

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) says the White House seems to be "'moving the goal posts,' raising new objections as soon as Congress tried to address each of the president's concerns." (Robert Pear, "Expecting Presidential Veto, Senate Passes Child Health Measure," The New York Times, 11/2/07)

Democrats' SCHIP Bill Contains The Same Flaws As The Vetoed Legislation

Congressional Democrats refused to meet with Administration officials designated by the President to negotiate on an SCHIP bill that serves poor kids first. Instead, the House of Representatives made a few adjustments at the margins of the vetoed bill and passed it again.

Like the bill the President vetoed, the bill passed last night by the Senate:

* Allows States to avoid covering poor children first. The bill repeals the requirement that 95 percent of children below 200 percent of the Federal poverty level be covered before coverage is extended to new children from higher income families. The Democrats' new legislation also permits States to keep adults on the program through 2012.

* Raises taxes to move 2 million children covered by private health insurance onto government-run programs with fewer choices and longer lines. Federal revenues are at an all-time high, and no tax increase of any kind is needed to finance SCHIP reauthorization. The President's Budget offsets not only his proposed new SCHIP spending but also proposes an additional $92 billion in mandatory savings over five years.

* Uses taxpayers' dollars to subsidize middle class families. The Democrats' new legislation continues to cover children in families earning more than $62,000 per year (300 percent of the Federal poverty level). In addition, the legislation would not completely close the income disregard loophole, under which States could enroll children in families with income higher than $62,000 a year (for a family of four) by ignoring part of the family's income or expenses. The legislation fails to close the loophole for States expanding through Medicaid.

* Allows SCHIP to cover ineligible individuals. The legislation imposes no sanction if a person fraudulently attests to being a U.S. citizen. The bill contains an "express lane" enrollment provision that makes it easy for ineligible people to be enrolled in SCHIP, with virtually no penalty to States for letting ineligible people enroll. In fact, States may be rewarded through the Performance Bonus for adding ineligible people to the rolls.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:36 PM
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7. The White House has a Political Office. That is also very wrong!!
And, we the People paid for Karl Rove! Think about that violation. RAPE!!!!
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:48 PM
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9. Eh, that's a fine line that I'll grant them
WH communications' (which, incidentally, is who does the website) entire and only job is to spin stories the way the President wants, so in my mind that's an entirely appropriate use of the website. It worked fine until the media stopped working around 1998 or so...
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Tuttle Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:53 AM
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15. interesting stuff
I tried to find out who is behind this stuff (using WHOIS, of course) but found stonewalls (messages that "requests exceeded daily limits")

...then, I found this
http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-ip/?hostname=128.121.95.55

There are 4 domains hosted on this IP address.
Here are a few of them:

1. Muirschapelyouth.com
2. Whois.net
3. Whois.org
4. 1 more...

How bizarre and byzantine -- two of the most common web interfaces for WHOIS requests are hanging off the same IP as edgesuite.net which is a political wing of the White House (I couldn't find anything on the site to set the record straight about Dana Perino/Bay of Pigs/Wait, Wait - Don't Tell Me)

Yikes!
Tut-tut
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:45 PM
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8. Well add it to the list. nm
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:20 PM
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4. Wikipedia is pretty heavily influenced by the fundies anyway.
I can't count the number of times I've posted reliable, verifiable, well-sourced information on a certain topic, only to have it anonymously deleted because it's not favorable to the fundie cause.

Controversy sections on white celebrities are frequently deleted (there is no mention of Russell Crowe's violent behavior and arrests, for example) but they are always quite extensive where a minority celebrity is concerned.

I've decided that I'm going to stay away from the political topics on Wikipedia.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:31 PM
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16. In defense of Wikipedia
You write, "I've decided that I'm going to stay away from the political topics on Wikipedia."

Your frustration is understandable -- but if all the progressives react this way, then the right-wingers will prevail.

Wikipedia is a great opportunity for the left. It's one place where money doesn't matter. Corporations can't buy ads on Wikipedia. There are many instances where Wikipedia has succeeded in making available information that's omitted from or downplayed by the MSM.

As for Russell Crowe, I suspect that was just the work of an adoring fan, not a reflection of racial bias. For comparison, I thought I'd check the article about another white celebrity with PR troubles. The first such person who occurred to me was Britney Spears, and I found about some of her disreputable incidents.

And, speaking of disreputable incidents, the Wikipedia article about tells the reader about his indictment and about his involvement with Jack Abramoff. The of the DeLay article is fairly detailed. Wikipedia has so much information about the campaign finance scandal and the resulting criminal case against DeLay that it's merely summarized in the main DeLay article, which refers the reader to the complete account in a separate article, . Take a look at that last link and tell me where in the corporate media you'll find a better exposition of the whole mess.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:54 PM
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17. Update re whitewashing of Russell Crowe article
The omission of negative stuff about Russell Crowe from his Wikipedia article wasn't racism, it was happenstance. There was a section about his misbehavior in the article as it stood on October 8 (<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russell_Crowe&oldid=163201344#Temperament>). On that day, somebody made a series of three silly edits deleting paragraphs from the article, apparently at random. A responsible editor came along to revert the vandalism. Unfortunately, the vandal did a fourth deletion (removing the section about Crowe's fights, etc.) immediately before the correction, so the correction didn't fix that deletion when it fixed the first three, and the editor doing the fixing didn't notice that a new vandalism had occurred. Thus the whitewashing of the article was unnoticed until you pointed it out. I've restored the information. Thanks for the tip!

Something like that wouldn't happen on, for example, a presidential candidate's article. Just today there was an attempt by an Alan Keyes supporter to remove information about his conflict with his lesbian daughter, Maya. Several of us immediately jumped in to make sure that the information would remain.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:28 PM
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6. Homophobes and rightwing assholes in the military?
Shocking! :eyes:

US stole Guantanamo from Cuba in the 19th century. Let's kick those Yanqui imperialist squatters out!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:22 AM
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10. The concentration camp guards are lashing out?
Bet they are hand picked by the Secretary of defense.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:40 AM
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11. It's great to know
That we have people like this defending our freedom and liberty.
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:41 AM
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12. I wouldn't worry too much
Modifying Wikipedia is about as influential as writing "We do not torture!" on a restroom wall.

(Or, "For hot tranny action, call Fidel @ *some number*" etc.)
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 07:14 AM
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14. There was another thread about wiki edits recently.
I can't find a link to that other thread, but it brought attention to the fact that wiki had been edited to remove any proof of Prescott Bush's involvement in the attempted coup against FDR (see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2400597 if you don't know what the coup was about). It is true that the wiki entries about this historical event had been heavily edited to remove any references to Bush.

Wiki is useless when it comes to anything that can be even remotely regarded as political or historical.
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 03:18 PM
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18. People messing around with an inherently messy system?
SHOCKING!
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:32 PM
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19. Such model citizens
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:34 PM
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20. What a disgrace. n/t
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:48 AM
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21. kick nt
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 10:38 AM
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22. How exactly is this "vandalism"?
If it's open access for anyone to add and delete "information," then a term like vandalism doesn't really apply. Is it vandalism for me to spray paint my name on a wall set up specifically for that purpose?
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 12:56 PM
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23. I think a better analogy would be:
On a bulletin board to be used by the public as a place to post notices of meetings etc...is it vandalism to remove those notices and put up notices with false meeting times and/or places in an effort to derail whatever agenda the meeting was to discuss.

I say yes, it is. YMMV
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