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FVZA_Colonel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 07:40 PM Original message |
Small Group of US Experts insist Global Warming is not Manmade |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. Experts in what, anal-cranial impaction? |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Okay, well, here's what I don't understand |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Your conclusion that we have to fight pollution is correct --- however, confusing |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
3. The Case of John Christy |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
62. The debunkers like to cite a previous warming period, BUT the earth was not densely populated |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
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FVZA_Colonel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. "The Global Warming Swindle" |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Did you lose your way to a conservative blog? |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. 200 years? try 650,000 years |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
32. as a note |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Here you go. |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
49. It also looks like he has submissions to Nature based on that work. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 06:53 AM Response to Reply #32 |
59. LOL! You want Seconds? |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Looks like our denier got himself a tombstone. |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
81. He did? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. We have a hell of a lot more than 200 years of records, FYI. |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 07:50 AM Response to Reply #12 |
82. They often state that they listen to Rush to find out what's "really going on"! |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. You forget one thing |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. By the way, is this yours? |
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greenman3610 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. oh, yes the "Swindle" movie |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Deleted message |
D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
65. Looks as though Singer is also the senior author of the paper in the Yahoo article. |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. The insanity of the replies to my fist post |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. A short response - |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Answers... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. You're confused about what's important |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Come on Flat Earth Bush supporters - let's here it for ChimpCo doctored pseudoscience |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Flat Earthers deserve equal time in the classroom! |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
72. Did you read the article? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 02:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
80. Fuck off, you lying nazi asshole. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
90. the "scientist" who claims cigarette smoke doesn't cause cancer makes a report...and you |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. Let me guess... |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. That would be a "group" of 2 named persons... |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. A "small group" of maybe three? And this is even worth printing? |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
10. What small group is that the Bush Administration? n/t |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
14. Remember the tobacco-company sponsored 'scientists' that insisted for years smoking wasn't that bad |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. The big difference? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
40. ...in fact, they "recommended" smoking for stress, etc. . . !!! |
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rockybelt (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
16. First question: |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. A Partial List of Experts... |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. You forgot |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. Usually they find that they are linked one way or another with oil industry $$ --- |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 06:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
58. they list three in the article |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
19. The science supporting anthropogenic GW is a weak case. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. What are your credentials? Is your opinion more expert than those of thousands of scientists? |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Post your facts; let's see what you got |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. GW is changing "climate forces" --- El Nino/ La Nina used to be once every 1,000-2,000 year events! |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. yeah - here's yer weak case for AGW |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Nice list. n/t |
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Sabriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
20. So much for the "Stopped Clock" Theory |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. The article names the three "experts." I would bet anything they receive gas/oil funding. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
86. You would cash in |
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postulater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
23. Reid Bryson was my meteorology teacher |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. ahhh refreshing |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Life as we know it is going anyway. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
89. I feel the same way postulator |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
93. well, sorry I had to be the one to tell you this, but the guy has hitched his wagon to the liars |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
25. I call bullshit! |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
51. Here is the paper they are talking about, and the 4 experts who wrote it: |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 06:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. EXXON gives them money to write this |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Here are 3 of our 4 "experts": |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
88. Thanks, I knew there was oil money dripping from this report! n/t |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. 3,000 vs. 4. I stand corrected. |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Yeah, it would seem they have a lot of convincing to do. n/t |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
27. It's really quite simple. Go visit the Athabasca glaciers |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. why black and white |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. "why black and white?" -- you can't be serious! (nt) |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #27 |
95. I was there a year ago |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
28. I've heard morons like this before on RW radio |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-16-07 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
43. We're at a point where the assurity of its being man-made is at 95% --- !!! |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
47. "This message has been approved by the Republican Flat Earth Society. |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
52. Why do they keep calling them "Experts"?!?!? Please, at least call the "so-called Experts" or... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
53. And just how much money did this tiny group of "experts" get from Exxon- |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. $791,500 |
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ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
54. They're not experts and they're funded by exxon |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
55. the environmental equivilant of Holocaust deniers . . . |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
56. Ex perts |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
57. This "group" Gets Money From EXXON! |
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Homer Wells (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
68. Dig into the personal qualifications and affiliations |
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scipan (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
69. Everything you ever wanted to know about this so-called paper |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I can't wait for AFP to publish an article debunking them |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
70. Fred Singer is at it again |
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leaninglib (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
74. It really doesn't matter that there are other opinions--they are not welcome. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. lemmings into the sea? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I agree but the GW deniers are more like children following the Exxon/Mobil Pied Piper |
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leaninglib (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Exxon-Mobile and the WCBA have done more for America |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. Thank God Exxon is gouging us with $3/gal gasoline |
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leaninglib (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. You are indeed cracking up. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. Not a GW denier? What a joke! |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. "Lemmings marching into the sea" is an urban legend, you know. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-17-07 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
75. It is true that there is possibly a natural trend at work as well. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
79. Small group of idiotic liars, maybe. |
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Cass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
83. Whether its manmade or of natural causes, we have an |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. IT IS MANMADE. Don't cater to the deniers with that "either way we should do something" argument. |
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Cass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. The cause doesn't change our obligations. |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
87. The real headline should have been "THREE experts... " |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-18-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. You consider Fred Singer, the guy who argues cig smoke doesn't cause cancer, to be an "expert"? n/t |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
96. Yes,yes and a small group of 'experts' have declared the earth flat! why post this shit? |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-19-07 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
98. They may be right. 95% of scientists can be wrong |
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