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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:40 PM
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Coroner: 4 Construction Workers Found Dead in Ohio Apartment Were Beaten, Stabbed in Heart
Source: Fox News

"Hamilton County Coroner O'dell Owens said two of the men were related and all four were from the same town in Mexico, but he declined to release their names and said he did not know the name of the town....

'"That's a lot of money to leave behind," he said. Receipts found in the apartment appeared to show that the men were sending money to relatives in Mexico. One receipt was for $2,500, Owens said.

Police found the bodies Thursday after an owner of a construction company, Abc Precision Masonry & Concrete, reported one of his usually reliable employees had not shown up for work in several days.

A minivan believed to be connected to the four workers was found Friday at a grocery store. A tip from a passing motorist led police to the van, about five miles from the apartment where the bodies were found, said Sharonville police Lt. John Cook.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317148,00.html



Sounds like they were targeted for their ethnicity. Horrible if that's the case or not.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:43 PM
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1. This is a BIG story where I live
Something tells me their was more to the story than they're telling.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:45 PM
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7. They found 2 dead on interstate 12 in Covington La. also last week.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:44 PM
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11. Yeah. Not very far from me.
And let's not forget the two Indian students. Burglary did not seem to be the motive there either.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:50 PM
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2. I don't know about them being targeted for their ethnicity.
They lived in a large apartment complex where there are a lot of hispanics living there.

We'll see. I haven't really watched the local news this weekend.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:50 PM
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3. "Only one wallet was found, and it contained $1300 but no ID..."
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 02:02 PM by rocknation
They would be easy robbery targets if they were known to carry large amounts of cash. And if they were in the country illegally, they'd probably be afraid to go to the police. But money being "left behind," combined with the overkill, also suggest either a vendetta or a hate crime.

:(
rocknation
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Stewie Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:52 PM
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4. They probably were targeted for their ethnicity...
...but by members of their own ethnic group. Gangs like MS-13 and the 18th Street Gang target undocumented Hispanics because they know they carry cash and won't go to the police.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:48 PM
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9. Then...
why was money left behind?
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:56 PM
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5. Blackwater
at work in the good ol' USA.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:32 PM
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6. ?
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:46 PM
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8. Drugs, Coyotes demanding more $$$$, evil emploers
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 04:23 PM
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10. hate speech is going wild when it comes to so called illegals!
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:00 PM
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13. No human being is illegal
There are undocmented people, though.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 07:54 PM
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12. How sad. Sounds like a hate crime to me.
They were just hard workers trying to support their families in Mexico. Racism is horrible.
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GeniusLib Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:15 PM
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14. So True
The same thing has been going on in LA for years, black gangs killing hispanics on sight because they fear the enocroachment of mexican gangs on their drug selling territory.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:46 PM
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21. How would you come to that conclusion
They have no idea who killed them or why. Isn't it a bit soon to be calling it a hate crime? They could have been killed for any number of reasons.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:27 PM
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24. $1300 was left behind
and the victims were Bludgeoned and then stabbed to death. Why kill them twice... why bludgeon them into death or unconsciousness and then kill them if you're just there to steal money... and then leave the money behind. It was brutal in the extreme. Seems like hatred to me.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:52 PM
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27. Like what???
Let's see - robbery? No. Random act of violence? Doubtful. Retribution? For what? These were "reliable" construction workers, not drug dealers. Racism/hatred of Mexicans? Hmmmmm.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:45 AM
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15. Rush to the bottom
Here's why we object to Mexican workers coming here without review or investigations. They are murders, etc. Our money is making their country rich. We pay for their benefits, jails, etc. and they take our jobs.

Construction workers don't make a low salary. Nor do baseball players. Maybe lower than Americans.

Whose bring who up to our standards? Our country between war and drugs are declining. Just like the Brits did to China years ago.

Has any person been allowed to ask the candidates what they are going to do about it when our government promised otherwise?
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:42 AM
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16. Excuse me?
Since when is Mexico becoming rich?
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:22 PM
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17. Besides being functionally illiterate..
you're clueless and racist to boot.

What a steaming pile of bullshite.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:48 PM
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18. Ten million of them here, so if they're all "murders" [sic]
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:49 PM by Tansy_Gold
we should be having wholesale slaughter in every major city every single day. It's not happening.

And all those undocumented baseball players are really pushing wages of working people down?????? Excuse me??? Is there ANY logic in your statement whatsoever? I think not.

A few elites in Mexico might be getting rich, but I strongly suspect there are more "Americans" getting rich off the exploitation of ever poorer Mexicans (and Guatemalans and Nicaraguans and Salvadorans and Peruvians and Colombians and Venezuelans. . . . oh, wait, the Venezuelans are those undocumented baseball players), not to mention off the ever poorer American workers.

As for asking the candidates, I think immigration was pretty much the topic of one of the recent debates, but then I haven't watched any of them because my blood pressure won't take it.

Tansy Gold, thinking the poster might be more than slightly uninformed




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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:42 PM
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19. You might have someone who can read explain to you how this country has destroyed their own jobs
by using trade agreements like NAFTA to flood their country with crops like corn, a product grown and used in Mexico for THOUSANDS of years, selling it to Mexican consumers from American US-taxpayer-subsidized food producers at prices so low the Mexican farmers could NOT afford to grow it any longer, as they were being undersold.

They were driven into poverty, losing the farms their families had operated for generations after generations, losing jobs working for farmers on property owned for generations, losing it ALL, along with the farmers growing rice and beans, BOTH products grown for ages in Mexico.

Because of these trade agreements perfectly capable, industrious workers were throw OUT OF WORK in their own homeland, with no other sources of employment ANYWHERE. Where the #### do you think they should go to keep their families alive?

They have been driven to seek work from the countries which wiped out their former jobs.

You owe it to yourself to take time off from scrawling on message boards, and learn something FIRST about the subject you're attempting to discuss. There are far too many ignorant people wandering around loose getting in the road sounding off about subjects they don't come close to understanding. You add noise, not light.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:48 PM
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22. By the way, the corn, rice, and beans produced in the U.S. which have been used
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 02:57 PM by Judi Lynn
to flood Mexico with cheap products are all heavily supported right here in the States by BIG subsidies from the U.S. taxpayers long before they ever get to Mexico.

Also, add sugar cane to that mix. Our own wildly over-subsidized sugar cane industry, much of it on former swampland reclaimed and cleared at taxpayer expense by the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers, and owned by Cuban sugar barons, the Fanjuls, the U.S. First Family of Corporate Welfare, in South Florida (also the Dominican Republic) drove the formerly well employed Mexican sugar cane farmers out of busines long ago.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:23 PM
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23. Thank you again Judi Lynn
Growing up in Miami was hard knowing all the graft and crime that was going around and having to listen to whole boatlift loads of horse manure. Its always great to hear you speak truth.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:52 PM
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30. Thanks for your comments! The original wave "exiles" have boasted that they turned Miami from a
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 05:53 PM by Judi Lynn
"sleepy little fishing village into a world class city!" That's not what the FBI said when it named Miami the country's "Terror Capital of the United States!," or what the U.S. Census Bureau has said, time after time when it designated Miami as the "Poorest City in a Population over 500,000!"

They brought that good old violent, greedy, treacherous government right to South Florida, and set up operations all over again, didn't they?

You may have heard about the little swaggering "exile" godfather, Jorge Mas Canosa, friend of U.S. President Reagan, Bushes," and Bill Clinton said about his group's grip on Miami:
7/1/94 7/31/94 The Miami Herald reprints an interview with Jorge Mas Canosa from the Spanish newspaper El Pais. Mas Canosa was asked by El Pais whether he believed Americans would take over Cuba if Fidel Castro fell. The Herald quoted Mas Canosa as saying, in part, "They haven't even been able to take over Miami! If we have kicked them out of here, how could they possibly take over our own country?" (MH, 7/28/94; WP, 7/28/94)
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:xQqmOHDYWkoJ:cuban-exile.com/doc_126-150/doc0146b.html+Jorge+Mas+Canosa+%22El+Pais%22+%22They+haven%27t+even+been+able+to+take+over+Miami%22&hl=en

I can see why their pushy, racist attitudes long cultivated in Cuba chased so many people away. Their sugar growers in South Florida dug right in, got WAY into the public trough (just like their city, state and national politicians) and got US consumers to underwrite their product so heavily they could sell all their stuff to countries like Mexico at wildly cheaper prices and destroy those countries' own native producers. Now that truly sucks, doesn't it? Sheesh.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:44 PM
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20. You really don't know that
It could have been for alot of reason other then ethnicity or even for no reason at all. Let's not jump the gun on this.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:58 PM
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28. Whatever.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:15 PM
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29. Great post! n/t
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:11 PM
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31. Thanks!
Sometimes it's just not worth the time and effort, you know what I mean?
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:28 PM
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25. Who hates them the most...
My first inclination is to think it's freepers.
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:42 PM
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26. We lived in Cincinnati for 10 long years
Couldn't wait to get out. The bigotry and predjudice that was always simmering, hidden just below the surface, was sickening. It seemed like every night on the local news, there was a report of a DWB (Driving While Black), being harassed, beaten up, or killed by the local police. A few more infamous cases started some riots.

Sharonville is a northern suburb of Cincy..........
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