Tenn. School Shooting Stemmed From Fight

[flashl]

Source: Washington Post

MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- A high school student shot another student during a physical education class on Monday, and the suspected shooter was in custody, police said.

The shooting stemmed from an argument the two students had "in the community" over the weekend, Mitchell High School Principal Daniel Ware said.

"He walked up to him, shot him, and made a statement to the coach that 'It's over now,'" Ware said. The student handed the gun to the coach and made no attempt to flee, he said.

The victim suffered at least two gunshot wounds and was taken to Regional Medical Center in critical condition, police spokeswoman Monique Martin said.

Washington Post

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/11/AR2008021100956.html

[rateyes]

1. The shooter must have been reading GD: P....

that would set anyone on edge.

Seriously, though, this is some kind of fucked up world we live in.

[olddad56]

10. we get the world we deserve.

[flashl]

2. Boston Herald

Student shot during gym class at Memphis high school; in critical condition
...

The class was held in the cafeteria, and about 75 other students were in the room at the time of the shooting.

The school was placed on lockdown and parents of students were notified by the district’s automated phone alert system, school district spokeswoman Rita Cooper said. Many parents showed up at the 1,050-student school to pick up their children.

It is the second shooting in eight days reported in a Memphis high school. On Feb. 4, a 16-year-old student was shot in the leg in side a classroom during an argument with another student over music. The student suffered non-critical injuries and the suspected shooter was charged.

Boston Herald

[Tesha]

3. Just your average day in America...

...where guns *KILL* over eighty people on
average and wound more.

Tesha

[bossy22]

11. according to my calculator

that would be around 29,000 people a year, but we only have about 15,000 murders a year.....i dont know, maybe my calculator is off

[Tesha]

12. No, you're playing the ridiculous "Suicides and accidental killings don't count" card.

It's used so often I usually include a prophylactic
disclaimer, but this time I thought I'd see who played
the card.

Tesha

[NickB79]

51. So if you're including suicides committed with guns

Why not include suicides committed with ropes, razor blades, pills, etc?

Because, as you know, it's been shown time and again that the countries with the most restrictive gun control laws have the HIGHEST number of suicides (Japan in particular), which kinda makes it pointless to lump suicides in at all with other gun crimes.

[Tesha]

54. Guns tend to be 100% effective; other methods, a lot less so.

Now, try to excuse the "accidental deaths" too.

Tesha

[NickB79]

61. Yet Japan has twice the number of suicides as the US

With absolutely no guns available to the general public.

[apocalypsehow]

15. And there are so-called "progressives" who dedicate much time, apparently,

to perpetuating reactionary "gun rights" talking points that defend the perpetuation of such carnage through legislative inaction/indifference. :wtf: :shrug:

Who knew that there were so many well-armed "liberals" in the land? I sure didn't till I posted in my first DU "gun thread".

[Pavulon]

23. This is DEMOCRATIC underground

not progressive ultra left underground. People here hold varying degrees of conviction on some political issues.

However subversion of the constitution in a big issue. The first and fourth amendment are pesky, get rid of them too?

You can argue the point, but you have no right to question people's stance or political beliefs.

There is a poll on THIS board of its members that shows about 50% own firearms.

Get over yourself. This is not the VPC.

[Tesha]

55. Guns are a big symptom of what is wrong with this country. (NT)

[nebula]

4. Be a bully at your own risk

maybe he had it coming.

[LeftinOH]

5. Back when I was in school, there were a few people I fantasized about 'rubbing out':

The tormentors, bullies, etc.... but, I never did. Maybe it helps to have a vivid imagination. What the hell is going on in these kids' home lives (the ones doing the shooting)?

[lebkuchen]

6. and it's not even spring

though global warming could have been a factor

[lebkuchen]

7. and it's not even spring

though global warming could have been a factor

[lebkuchen]

8. and it's not even spring

though global warming could have been a factor

[lebkuchen]

9. and it's not even spring

though global warming could have been a factor

[apocalypsehow]

13. As long as our gun laws remain insanely lax, such tragedies will continue to occur

on a regular basis. We need a comprehensive handgun ban in this country, and follow-up laws to severely restrict the availability of semi-automatic assault rifles. Want to play with "cool-looking" guns? Join the Marine Corps - they're hiring. And they even have a comprehensive overseas travel package going on right now....

[jody]

14. " semi-automatic assault rifle" is an oxymoron. An assault rifle is capable of full auto fire. n/t

[apocalypsehow]

16. A bigger "oxymoron" is a so-called "progressive" or "liberal" who pants at the

sight of such instruments of violence - and drools at the thought of owning one.

[jody]

17. The Democratic Party supports the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms, do you? n/t

[apocalypsehow]

18. Not handguns or assault rifles - and I seriously doubt the Democratic Party is on

record as supporting the across-the-board ownership of such instruments of violence as an AK-47 "lookalike" with 50 round clips. Grandpa's shotgun is one thing - the kind of weapons I'm talking about are of an entirely different nature, and you well know it.

By the by, interesting how you evaded my legitimate point that such "progressives" who slobber and drool over handguns and assault rifles are a pretty unique phenomenon. Or something.

[Pavulon]

20. The vultures never tire and never get smart..

This was not an ak-47, tatp, or bird flu.

Grandpa's shotgun with a short barrel and no stock has a many times higher per shot kill rate than a pistol. Most people survive pistol wounds. Most are killed by shotguns.

300 people a day die in car "accidents". Lets have a news story about every person who kills another with their vehicle. They you will be squawking about car control.

Dead issue. The party has figured out this topic does not work and costs votes..

[apocalypsehow]

22. I didn't know you were officially authorized to speak for the Democratic Party. My apologies.

:sarcasm:

[Pavulon]

24. Try the website...

pretty informative. Maybe not progressive enough.

[jody]

28. Pavulon is not authorized to speak for the Dem Party but neither are you. Pavulon does speak for

the majority of Democrats and law-abiding citizens while you speak for a few of the minority who would take away the natural, inherent, alienable/unalienable right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

[Name removed]

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[jody]

30. Right Wing, that's pure Dem Party Platform! If you were familiar with the Dem platform you would

recognize that. :shrug:

[apocalypsehow]

33. "the natural, inherent, alienable/unalienable right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms

for self-defense."

So, that's in the Democratic Platform? Where? Point me to the location where I can find that quoted language, and I'll be delighted to concede this particular point.

[jody]

34. The Dem Platform supports the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.Read it! n/t

[raebrek]

57. link

http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/Dem_Platform_2004_Gun_Control.htm I will have to imagine that this will be updated this year for the election. Now play nice.


Raebrek!!!

[boilinmad]

52. I'd like to say my favorite thing again....

.....GUNS FUCKING SUCK !!!!

[jody]

26. I did not evade your insinuation, you try to demean the Dem Party for supporting RKBA which includes

semi automatic firearms used for self-defense and sporing purposes.

[apocalypsehow]

27. No, I try to "demean" silly notions such as the Democratic Party and the NRA

are locked in a warm embrace, and that "progressives" are all about making that next handgun purchase all the easier. What is a "sporing" purpose, anyway? Is that, like, from "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"?

[jody]

31. The NRA is controlled by the Repubs however RKBA is important to the Dem Party and that's why the

platform says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearm".

If you can't accept that Democratic Party position, perhaps it's time for you to change parties?

[apocalypsehow]

32. That's about the third time I've seen you suggest, with no prompting, that someone whose opinion you

disagree with should "change parties". That is called "projection". Somehow, however, I get the distinct feeling that if you were confronted with a similar proposal - i.e., that you should consider changing parties - that such a task would, shall we say, not be one requiring much future effort....

[jody]

36. Only three? Suggest you either support the Dem Platform or disagree but fight to change the platform...

or change parties.

Is there another alternative?

[apocalypsehow]

37. The Democratic Platform contains no such plank, so I would find it difficult

to "support" something that doesn't exist. But keep pretending.

[jody]

38. The Dem Platform says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearm". Are you

unable to use the Internet to find the Democratic Party Platform 2004, read it, and understand what you read?

[apocalypsehow]

40. That's not what you claimed, for starters (your initial claim was much more expansive), and

for seconders, point me to the exact language in that clause that specifies you have the right to own a handgun, or an assault rifle. You cannot, so you will continue to distort and obfuscate.

[jody]

41. What have I misrepresented? SCOTUS implied in Miller that citizens are allowed to keep and bear arms

identical to the standard military arms in use. Today that's the M-16 rifle and M-9 pistol.

Since the late 1930s, automatic firearms have been controlled by the federal government but law-abiding citizens can keep and bear automatic arms if they are properly licensed.

[apocalypsehow]

42. Now we're back to moving the goalposts and/or changing the subject - a tactic

I note you enjoy indulging in when the going gets tough. Now you want to talk about a SCOTUS decision from the 1930's, and not the Democratic Platform from 2004? That's a refreshing admission that you don't have much of a leg to stand on in this discussion (I wouldn't sully the word "debate" by describing it thus), even if an unintentional one. But seriously, can you pick a line of argumentation and stick with it for a bit? As it is, your credibility is in tatters. This is a bit too easy, almost as if I'm arguing with a caricature, not a legitimate opposite number.

[jody]

44. Why don't you just admit defeat and retire gracefully? n/t

[apocalypsehow]

45. More projection - or was it a gremlin who posted in your name below? Heh.

Incredible how the psychological phenomena of "projection" has met such textbook perfection in "jody's" posts tonight.

[jody]

47. Are you reading challenged? n/t

[apocalypsehow]

49. jody at 10:12 - "I have nothing left to say to one who will not accept facts"

Have you now contradicted yourself again? As I said, all too easy.

[apocalypsehow]

39. Seriously, folks, check out what "jody" says is in the Democratic Platform:

"the natural, inherent, alienable/unalienable right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense."

Note he is either unable or unwilling to provide a link to that cite, which is very telling about its factual basis as an actual plank in our Platform. I suspect the former.....

[jody]

43. The "natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable right " to self-defense and RKBA in PA and VT

constitutions 1776 & 1777 and as such could not have been given away when the two states ratified the Constitution.

Please study your Constitution History.

[apocalypsehow]

46. So, another admission that you posted with intent to deceive above

when you pretended that those sentences had anything to do with the 2004 Democratic Platform? This just gets easier and easier....

[jody]

48. No, the Dem Platform echos what Congress has said that law-abiding citizens have RKBA. Do you deny

that?

Suggest you become more familiar with RKBA before you spout off more nonsense.

[apocalypsehow]

50. I am quite familiar with your deceptive posting habits, as is any fair observer. You continue to

embarrass yourself with every follow-up post, but it's your show. By all means proceed.

[LeftyMom]

19. Somebody get the fucking net.

We really need to fix the door on the gungeon.

[jody]

21. No, you need to either support the Dem Party or consider finding another party because the Dem Party

is not going to change.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Chovexani]

60. LOL

Somebody needs to put some more locks on that thing.

[DBoon]

35. As long as we live in a culture of individual vindictiveness

such tragedies will continue

As long as we are taught that the lone individual with a gun is all powerful, we will see more events like this

Other countries with high gun ownership don't see these events.

[Tesha]

56. Bingo. (NT)

[sendero]

53. And after our gun laws are tightened..

.. nothing will change, just as laws have done nothing to stem the use of pot, crack or heroin.

People do not pay attention to laws they disagree with, period, end of story.

[benEzra]

58. Rifles aren't a crime problem in the United States and never have been.

Rifles rank dead last in the FBI murder statistics, not only behind blunt objects, knives, and shotguns, but even behind shoes and bare hands.

2005 data:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_20.html
Total murders............................14,860.....100.00%
Handguns..................................7,543......50.76%
Other weapons (non firearm, non edged)....1,954......13.15%
Edged weapons.............................1,914......12.88%
Firearms (type unknown)...................1,598......10.75%
Shotguns....................................517.......3.48%
Hands, fists, feet, etc.....................892.......6.00%
Rifles......................................442.......2.97%

2006 data:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_20.html
Total murders............................14,990.....100.00%
Handguns..................................7,795......52.00%
Other weapons (non firearm, non edged)....2,158......14.40%
Edged weapons.............................1,822......12.15%
Firearms (type unknown)...................1,465.......9.77%
Shotguns....................................481.......3.21%
Hands, fists, feet, etc.....................833.......5.56%
Rifles......................................436.......2.91%

And that's for all rifles combined, not just small-caliber rifles with modern styling. Don't take my word for it; run the numbers for yourself.

Just because the repubs at the Brady Campaign say that small-caliber rifles are of the debbil, doesn't make it so...

[benEzra]

59. Oops, posted wrong place. (n/t)