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rodbarnett Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:57 PM
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Teens flee polygamist towns
Jan. 19, 2004 12:00 AM


The anticipated exodus of teenage girls from the strife-torn, polygamist communities of Colorado City and Hildale, Utah, began in earnest this weekend as about 10 fanned out to towns in southern Utah seeking protection, anti-polygamy activists said Sunday.

The movement followed a ruling by a Maricopa County juvenile court judge late Friday that two 16-year-old teens from Colorado City, who had fled to the Valley last week, would be allowed to stay in foster homes rather than remain in state custody.

"We've got eight runners now, including two with children, and got a bunch more coming," said Flora Jessop of Phoenix, a former Colorado City resident who has been active in opposing multiple marriages since she escaped from the polygamist enclave as a teenager in the mid-1980s.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0119coloradocity19.html
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:00 PM
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1. thanks for the info
It's good to be reminded that creepy stuff like this still goes on in some parts of the west. geez.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 08:41 PM
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19. NO, in one part of the west, UTAH / ARIZONA area!
Edited on Mon Jan-19-04 08:43 PM by ParanoidPat
Please leave California out of this, thanks. :evilgrin:

On Edit; OOPS! Just read post 16.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:02 PM
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2. And Utah is one of the most right wing R states in the country
go figure :shrug:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:56 PM
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16. Colorado City is in Arizona - Been there and been run out
'Tis close very close to the Utah state line.

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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:05 PM
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3. I recall driving past those towns on the way to the Grand Canyon
Very isolated, w/ large rambling half-constructed houses and dilapidated trailers. Looked like a rough place to live.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:09 PM
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4. strange
I watched a documentary about those towns yesterday - the interviews with the mayors were especially interesting.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:18 PM
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5. I hope they continue to help them. . .
we (I'm in Utah) don't have a good history of helping people get out of that lifestyle. They always scream "freedom of religion" and the judges and prosecutors back down.

For more information read Under the Banner of Heaven by Krakauer.

The Utah AG seems to be willing to prosecute and go after them. It's not just the misuse of women and children, it is misuse of the whole system. I work for the welfare agency. I can tell you that Tom Green who was prosecuted for polygamy a couple of years ago and went to jail got an average of $60,000 per year of your tax dollars to support his family.

It is not an economically viable lifestyle and many who live there are captive.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:24 PM
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6. yeah the freedom to screw nubile teenage girls...
that's the freedom they want...

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:27 PM
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7. Quick, someone alert Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe!
The editorial in today's Akron Beacon Journal (likely yesterday's Boston Globe) was doing the normal "neocon" mantra that the fact of allowing gay unions would create a sudden influx of legalized polygamy.

Guess he forgets that the only people who really are advocating polygamy are usually based in Utah, and probably would set fire to gays, lesbians, and liberals.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:01 PM
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10. I have no problem with polygamy among consenting adults
however that is not the case in much of Utah. Wasn't Utah essentially blackmailed into outlawing polygamy as a condition of statehood?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:07 PM
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11. I don't think that polygamists are interested in adults
Every story I have seen involves mostly underaged girls and some rather ratty and careworn older women. These are simply cases of sexual abuse taken to the extreme.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:13 PM
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12. What is the Mormon church's position on age of consent?
would not legalizing and regulating the process result in fewer abuses of underage girls?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:21 PM
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13. I don't think that the Mormon Church accepts the practice
of polygamy at all. So, there isn't any rules that apply.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:30 PM
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14. these are not consenting adults
they are brainwashed and abused children
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:58 PM
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17. yes, that is true
It was pretty much "either give up polygamy and become a state or we just might invade you."
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:28 PM
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8. What is this, Logan's run?
"We've got a runner!"

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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:55 PM
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9. I just read an interesting book on this subject.
"Under the Banner of Heaven: The Story of a Violent Faith" by Jon Krakauer.

Pretty strange stuff goes on in Colorado City!
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TolstoyAndy Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 08:19 PM
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18. "Under the Banner of Heaven": a must-read
It raises serious issues about how far freedom of religion should be allowed to go.

I'm not saying Mormonism is a cult, but many of the small sects engage in all the usual behaviors of intimitdation and domination.

Very good history of the early days, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young et. al.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:53 PM
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15. The Mormon Church
has a responsibility to condemn these acts publicly. They don't condone it, but they turn a blind eye on all the craziness of the old sects of their religion. Their more enlightened members should speak out.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:21 PM
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20. joseph smith
Was a LIAR and a megalomaniac.
To think it still goes on today.
Those kids deserve better, those men (I use the term very lightly) should be in JAIL.
Mormonism IS a CULT.
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