New evidence halts 911 verdict (witness"I told Bush/US of 911 before 911")

[papau]

New evidence halts 911 verdict (witness"I told Bush/US of 911 before 911")(the title portion in quotes is a paraphrase of what is below - made because of space limitations in title line))

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3417809.stm

New evidence halts 9/11 verdict

A German court has agreed to allow a new prosecution witness in the trial of an 11 September suspect which appeared to have all but crumbled last month....Mr Mzoudi, 31, is accused of being an accessory to the murder of more than 3,000 in the 2001 attacks on America and membership of a terrorist group. <snip>

Prosecutors gave no details of the new witness but Mr Mzoudi's defence lawyer, Guel Pinar, said the witness was an unidentified Iranian intelligence officer who was claiming to have informed US authorities of an impending attack before September 2001.

The agent, according to Mr Mzoudi's lawyer, had also told German investigators that Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network had threatened Mr Mzoudi's life because it believed he had co-operated with German authorities when questioned.

Ulrich von Jeinsen, a lawyer for American relatives of victims of the attacks who are co-plaintiffs in the case, said the witness alleges that Mr Mzoudi was a key logistics chief in the plot.
He said the witness's evidence was "sensational" and the trial was "a whole new ball game". <snip>

[SpiralHawk]

1. drip...drip...drip: Paging the US media

Wake up.

Tell the people the truth.

Report the news without malice or favor.

But by God tell the truth now.

[papau]

2. Why is the US media not screaming about this?

not that we have a right wing GOP controlled media - they just act like they are.

[tom_paine]

6. It's not controlled, per se, but coerced and bullied

Also, the Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media exerts tremendous pressure on what remains of the Formerly Free Press, now more appropriately called Corporate TV Pravda.

"Fear will keep the local media in line. Fear of the Emperor, and fear of the Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media."
--what Grand Moff Tarken would have said if he was a member of the Amerikan Empire, as opposed to the Galactic Empire

[AndyTiedye]

12. The Wingers Control Our Press The American Way

THEY OWN IT!

[seemslikeadream]

7. American Media!

ABC NEWSONLINE

New twist in German September 11 case

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1029436.htm

The ruling to free Mzoudi was already sharply criticised by US Attorney-General John Ashcroft who said he was "disappointed" by the twist in the trial and noted that US authorities handled such cases of national security differently.

Hamburg state justice minister Roger Kusch angrily dismissed Mr. Ashcroft's comments last week as "uncalled for and presumptuous" and said the judges did not deserve to be criticized because their ruling was "politically undesirable" and "did not fit" somebody's ideas.

[Bozita]

8. That's a French wire service article in Aussie media

[seemslikeadream]

10. Thanks

to good to be true. :grr:

[papau]

15. BBC's French wire service article in Aussie media about German trial

We will see if it makes tonights 6 o'clock news.

:-)

[NYC]

11. .au means Australia.

At least there's more news of it.

[central scrutinizer]

17. "handled differently"

no shit they are handled differently - if the information may damage the mal-administration, it is kept secret. If it might burnish the teflon, the information is trumpeted. Note the difference in the handling of the leaks in the Plame case versus the O'Neil case

[BOSSHOG]

3. And bush wants to handcuff the 9-11 commission

The commission has requested more time to do its work but bush and hastert have opposed the request after months of stonewalling on commission requests for assistance. Contact your congressional rep NOW. Write a LTTE NOW. Contact your democratic candidate for president and insist this issue (9-11 commission longevity) be a part of his stump speech. ACT NOW! The bush administration can only succeed only the guise of secrecy.

[Valjean]

4. I hope ...

I hope this isn't BS like the guy who claimed he could deliver Osama Bin Laden to Clinton.

[Bridget Burke]

9. No.

This guy actually exists. When Clinton was trying to get Bin Ladin, your pals in Congress kept saying "wag the dog".

If you don't remember, we do.

[0007]

13. "Wag the dog" - I remember when the repukes in congress

were discounting the stories about Clinton trying to get bin Laden!

[Valjean]

24. presumptuous

You are WAY to presumptuous. The Republicans are NOT my pals.

Every foreign policy effort that Clinton started was 100% successful. It goes to show you what a little diplomacy can accomplish.

An it pisses me off to high heaven that those same jack-offs jump and peace activists for "criticizing the war while soldiers are overseas." Like they didn't do that to Clinton on EVERY chance they had. Then they had the audacity to suggest that HE invade Iraq after they painted him as the scourge to the US Military.

No, those people are DEFINITELY not my pals.


My point was that these same jack-offs keep claiming that Clinton dropped the ball at getting Osama Bin Laden. Some nutcase claimed that he knew where Osama Bin Laden was. The CIA checked it out and discovered that he was just hunting for money.

So I HOPE that this isn't some guy making claims for the sake of money or notoriety. Don't forget that Bush is making waves with Iran right now. It wouldn't surprise me if their operatives are doing this to undermine Bush.

Don't be naive about the world. Just because someone says something you like it doesn't make it true.

[Spirochete]

5. I remember

reading right after 9-11 about the Iranian man that called from Germany, warning of an attack. But that story seemed to disappear in a hurry. (Odd how that seems to happen so much)

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. One thing is for sure

There is more of this kind of thing surrounding 9/11. The question is if any of it will have an impact on bush. They have been slowly and deliberately tightening the noose on all opposition and dissension.

[lightbulb]

18. 9/11 is the lynchpin of PNAC

So of course they will continue fight its deconstruction with every resource at their disposal. It's amazing to see how effective they have been at shoring up the barricades they've built around the truth. But there is an increasingly angry ocean of evidence pushing in on them... Run! Run you murderers!

[Minstrel Boy]

16. "Iranian intelligence officer" - is this "Ali S"?

"Prosecutors gave no details of the new witness but Mr Mzoudi's defence lawyer, Guel Pinar, said the witness was an unidentified Iranian intelligence officer who was claiming to have informed US authorities of an impending attack before September 2001."

Will this be "Ali S", or someone else?

"...an Iranian, know as Ali S, phoned the American authorities from a deportation cell in Germany to warn of an attack 'which would change the world'. The Justice Ministry has confirmed that the man called 'several times' but was ignored. {Other reports say he called US authorities 14 times.} A ministry spokesman, Frank Woesthoff, said the US secret service did not tell the ministry about the calls from Langenhagen jail until after the attacks. The 29-year-old was apparently dismissed as mentally unstable."
http://www.sundayherald.com/18498

Ali S warned that the attacks would occur the week of Sept 9 and would target the World Trade Center, and was permitted to contact US authorities because the Germans believed he held significant information.

Paul Thompson has gathered together a bunch of links on Ali S here:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/sept11/earlyseptalis.html

If it is Ali S, it'll make for an interesting contradiction. After 9/11, American authorities swept aside his claims of foreknowledge, and hence the value of his warnings, by dismissing him as "mentally unstable." Yet German authorities are using him as a star witness, with sensitive information.

Another thing to make us go hmmm.

[papau]

19. That was my thought also - now we add in the Israeli, French, German

secret service warnings about 911 that we knew about 9/12 but have forgotten since, and the plot thickens -

Although US Media will not chase unless and until the 911 report is released and says in black and white something about all the warnings, and perhaps a bit about how Clinton's Osama watch groups weekly meets were killed by Bush in Feb 2001.

[paulthompson]

21. Ali S?

I don't believe this warning is Ali S. It appears to be someone else.

For one thing, this is billed as new, whereas the Ali S. story had been widely reported, especially in Germany. For another, intelligence agent vs. prisoner is a big difference - even if he was a prisoner who later turned out to be an intelligence agent, you think that would deserve a mention. For yet another, this warning mentioned was said to have come before September, whereas Ali S's warning came in September.

Here's my timeline entry on Ali S:

Early September 2001 (D): An Iranian man known as Ali S. in a German jail waiting deportation repeatedly phones US law enforcement to warn of an imminent attack on the WTC in the week of September 9-15. He calls it "an attack that will change the world." After a month of badgering his prison guards, he is finally able to call the White House 14 times in the days before the attack. He then tries to send a fax to Bush, but is denied permission hours before the 9/11 attacks. German police later confirm the calls. Prosecutors later say Ali had no foreknowledge and his forebodings were just a strange coincidence. They say he is mentally unstable. Similar warnings also come from a Moroccan man being held in a Brazilian jail. FTW Click here for more on this topic.

[Wonk]

20. kick

[peacetalksforall]

23. Are you sure your visual isn't an insult to robots and robotics?

[ConcernedCanuk]

22. slightly off topic - notice the SOTU address started at EXACTLY - 9:11 ??

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AND

during the "address"

Bush managed to get Saddam and the WTC in the same sentence ?

Dat pResident is evil, just plain EVIL !!

[KTM]

25. Not page 2 material

Back to the top you go. :kick:

:grr:

[jamesinca]

26. Bush lied and people died

Plain and simple. He knew and he lied about it. Chenney is in Europe this week, maybe he will be arrested. He is visiting the Vatican, so I doubt it.