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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:20 PM
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"On The Fly" Iraq Offensive Surprised U.S.
Source: CBS News

The U.S. military is sending advisers down to Basra to help the Iraqi army coordinate an operation which American officers say was "put together on the fly" and has degenerated into a stalemate.

These officers complain Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki acted "impulsively" in ordering an offensive his army was not prepared to conduct, reports CBS News national security correspondent David Martin.

The Iraqis didn't ask permission, they just went, which seems to have caught President Bush by surprise.

"You know, I'm not exactly sure what triggered the prime minister's response, but nevertheless he made the decision to move and we'll help him," Mr. Bush said.



Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/28/eveningnews/main3978762.shtml
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:24 PM
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1. how about ... it's sectarian and the national forces are one sect and the Basra militia is another.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:25 PM
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2. This is turning into a Monty Python skit.
"No decisions have been made, but one U.S. official said many of the successes of the past 12 months are in danger of being cancelled out."

Yeah, I would like to see that list.

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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:30 PM
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3. " many of the successes of the past 12 months..."
grammatical misuse of a plural...

plu·ral (plrl)
adj.:
Grammar Of or being a grammatical form that designates more than one of the things specified.

seems they should have used a singular reference, as in:

"the one success of the past 12 months..."

...whatever THAT was.....
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:59 PM
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7. well, staying for 12 months, obviously
Gorblimy! Do I always have to state the bleeding obvious?
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:58 PM
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6. I wonder....
....if it will end like the Funniest Joke in the World skit?

"Commentator (Eric Idle): In 1945 Peace broke out. It was the end of the Joke. Joke warfare was banned at a special session of the Geneva Convention, and in 1950 the last remaining copy of the joke was laid to rest here in the Berkshire countryside, never to be told again.

(He walks away revealing a monument on which is written: 'To the unknown Joke'. Camera pulls away slowly through idyllic setting. Patriotic music reaches crescendo.)"
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 02:17 AM
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13. Wool pulled over American's eyes #1 success.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:36 PM
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4. A real load of BS.
Maliki doesn't go to the mens room without permission. The US orchestrated this and now that it has fallen apart they are making the Iraqis the fall guys. When this all started * was bragging about defining moments, now all of a sudden he doesn't know whats going on? Puleeze!!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:38 PM
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5. Another thing that catches Bush by surprise. Like the looming $4/gal gas prices. nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:04 PM
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8. This is becoming ridiculous. Some people say bush doesn't know shit from Shinola.
I doubt he knows shit OR Shinola.

Clueless in the Oval Office, Inc.

We now have it confirmed: America has a baboon at the helm of the ship of state. With apologies to real baboons everywhere.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:40 AM
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14. "I resemble that remark." - Commander AWOL
"You seem to forget, Calimary, that I am the DECIDER-in-Chief. So pipe down and let me get on with my Brilliant, but surprising even to me, Military Strategery. I am doing a heckuva job. Smirk."

- Commander AWOL
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 02:37 PM
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18. ROFL!
Captain Codpiece looks like he didn't sufficiently stuff himself there...

:rofl: :spray: :headbang:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:11 PM
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9. the lie that iraq is independent: "The Iraqis didn't ask permission, they just went..." nt
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:19 PM
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10. Total bullshit: they're disclaiming it because it's a clusterfuck
This was designed to whip up sentiment against Iran. Was it just by accident that McCain was prattling on about Iran arming "extremists" last week, just before this offensive/crackdown began?

Success has a million fathers, while failure is an orphan. Malaki better get that red curly wig ready, cuz he's gonna be singing about tomorrow. You're only a day away...
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:59 PM
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11. ...caught the miserable failure by surprise = impossible!
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:13 AM
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12. "The Iraqis didn't ask permission, . . "
But I thought they were a sovereign nation. You know, they've been given sovereignty, and they're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the US and Iraq is one between sovereign entities.

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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:14 PM
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20. LOL! I'd forgotten about that one.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 06:03 AM
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15. *doh*
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 06:08 AM
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16. More of the same in Iraq..
..... 4 steps forward, 3.9999 steps back. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 06:08 AM
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17. Does the Bush administration ever fail to be surprised about anything regarding Iraq.
First there was the looting, then the insurgency took them by surprise. Now they're surprised that in the face of his country going up in flames their puppet Al Maliki actually tried to, well you know, do something.

The problem is they seem to actually believe their own propeganda about how wonderfully the surge is working when anyone who'd studied the situation knew damn well that a great deal of the so called pacification of Baghdad was not only due to the addition of more U.S. troops but because Mouktada Al Sadr's Mahdi Army had pretty much decided to call a ceasefire.

Ceasefire's over.

Iraq is going to hell in a handbasket once again. The Iraqi government apparently decided to try and do something about it but failed to say "Please, can we try and stop this mess--you Americans aren't doing a terribly good job here"

Of course, since the Iraqi army, which we've been training and equiping for five years to the tune of untold millions of dollars couldn't fight a troop of cub scouts armed with pocket knives, it's turned the whole thing into a bigger mess.

I feel sorry for the next American President. Be it Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton or even John McCain for that matter. This mess will not be fixed easily.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 02:56 PM
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19. Isn't it widely believed that Cheney ordered Maliki to undertake the offensive?
Just sayin'.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 04:24 PM
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21. I smell a rat
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