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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 09:44 AM Original message |
Murder Suspect Was Protected By SF Sanctuary Policy |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. Unbefreakingbelievable! n/t |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. More on the story.... |
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sourmilk (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Can you say "Mara Salvatrucha 13?" |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I can |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Running gangs from jail is easy to stop |
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sourmilk (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. If only you were right.... |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Wait - did I read this right? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. There is plenty of blame to go around, ultimately Ramos is at fault |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. No argument |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. SF's dirty fucking hippie sanctuary policy is part of the problem, but not the only problem. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
54. He is if he's guilty |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Officials try to explain suspect's release |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
53. He was arrested while in a car with a dude who had an illegal gun that had been used in a murder |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Not interested in trying that case here: locals and feds both decided not to pursue it at the time |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
3. The city has dropped the policy after an incident involving eight drug dealers from Honduras |
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nels25 (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. There are reasons why some consider the state of California |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. The same stupid policy has been a problem for states like NC and SC |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. As a North Carolinian, I am naturally interested in your opinion on whatever problems North Carolina |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. "''Sanctuary' cities for illegals draw ire" - (Durham, NC) |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. First, NC drunk driving fatality statistics show no recent increases: |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Second, you want to claim some Durham policy is responsible for the anecdotes you cite from |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. I don't know, how much killing and lawlessness was enough for Chicago? |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
8. Bildo will be all over this one... |
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SpookyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. I love my City, but sometimes... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
11. Defense attorney wants gag order in SF triple murder case |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Defense lawyer bullshit |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Maybe. But the news stories are mostly content-free rightwing propaganda, and it's |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Sometimes it's the things that defense attorneys don't say that are most telling |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Ramos’ Attorney Says He Didn’t Do It |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. "Not responsible for the murders" != "Didn't kill those three people" |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. His lawyer says he didn't do it? Well, that settles it: we should just let him out. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Police said he did it? Well, that settles it: we should just hang him. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. "... Amparan said he expects Ramos will plead not guilty. 'And I expect it to be not guilty when |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Still not the same as saying he didn't shoot three people to death |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. "... His attorney says Ramos is not the gunman ..." |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. OK, maybe he thought of himself as the gun-person |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Applying the felony murder rule in this case only makes things worse. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
17. I'm a bad person. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
21. Hopefully, every city with this kind of loophole will do something about it |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Yeah! then we can go over legal immigrants and refugees |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. The problem is not poor treatment of immigrants, legal or illegal. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. You want INS to deport anybody who can't produce proof of citizenship in a routine traffic stop? |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No one is saying that. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I'm not sure what change you think you are proposing to existing law |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 07:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Violent offenders should not be protected by the sanctuary law. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. "... San Francisco Sheriff Mike Hennesy disputes ICE's claims and says the federal agency is trying |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Nowhere in that article does he contradict ICE's assertions with facts. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. There's more from the sheriff in #23: perhaps you've already read it |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
24. What a misleading headline |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. Headline blames Sanctuary city but real reason is here: |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. "Sanctuary city" is Rovian wedge-code anyway. The Chronicle should be ashamed |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. "Sanctuary City" is the exact term that SF city officials have used to describe the city |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Thanks for that ever-so-minor correction. The Chronicle's rovian misrepresentation of the City's |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Sanctuary policy made city less safe - SF Chronicle |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. What a diligent little repeater of rightwing noise you are, Slack! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. So, are you saying the sanctuary policy did not make SF less safe? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I'm doubting the analytical usefulness of the op-ed you cite |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I think it was right on the money |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I don't doubt you think so: but the columnist Debra Saunders IS a reliable rightwing shill, who |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I can't recall ever reading anything by or about her previously |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. No kidding. She's our low rent Anne Coulter. n/t |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. That's a curious take. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Hysterical wingnut misrepresentations have become common in recent years, even on this board |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #26 |
52. Interesting logic |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
44. San Francisco.... a liberal City... a City Right WIngers love to Attack |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. If it keeps wingers out of this town, let them have at it! |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
67. Typical corporate media framing |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. San Francisco's sanctuary policy prevented him from being deported 4-5 years ago |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Would he really have been deported absent the policy? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-23-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Yes, he very likely would have been |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
71. New information this morning - Authorities say Ramos used "an AK-47 assault weapon" |
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