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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 09:56 PM
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Deals Signed for Caspian Sea Oil Pipeline
Government officials Tuesday signed financing agreements for a $3.6 billion pipeline to transport Caspian Sea oil to Western markets.
The 1,100-mile pipeline is to extend from Baku, across Georgia and to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, where the oil can be loaded onto tankers for Western markets.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040203_1427.html
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 09:57 PM
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1. How interesting....through Georgia....after the coup....
:eyes:
What a coincidence...NOT!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 09:57 PM
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2. Russia screwed - Iran screwed - US oil wins!
seems like something I could have predicted!
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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 07:35 AM
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10. Well not exactly
The BTC Consortium is mostly a European deal. UK's BP has the biggest stake followed by France's TotalFinaElf. ConocoPhillips is the U.S. entry but their stake is much smaller.

The Consortium will do roughly half of the financing and the rest will come from 13 European and Japanese banks and one U.S. bank (Citi).

You comments on Russia and Iran are on the money. The multiple pipeline concept, supported by Bush and Clinton, prevents Russia from achieving a stranglehold on Caspian oil and also prevents Iran from controlling a major transit route for oil to the West.

Although I prefer developing alternative energy sources, as long as we're going to use the stuff it makes sense not to let the Mullahs or the the Russian Autocrats control it. JMHO
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 09:18 AM
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11. Why is BP pulling out of such a rich prospect?
http://www.rigzone.com/news/archive_monthly.asp?month=3&year=2003

the Mullahs or the the Russian Autocrats control it.

http://news.batumi.net/news/index.php?ID=1906.

We'll never get what we expect out of the Caspian.
The Caspian is not the NorthSea, but it will be just as expensive.

The pipeline will not be filled.
Khazak oil will go to Russia.

BTW-There is no rotation in Iraq.
It's reinforcement/replacement.

Casualties must be approaching 15, 000.


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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 07:55 PM
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18. If the pipeline is running through their land
and the oil is under their land, why shouldn't they control it?
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:03 PM
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3. the old bush pulled this off he has been working it for some
time. Be aware American blood will have to be spilled to protect the monstrosity for the international oil bastards
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:04 PM
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4. You're correct....and...
the issue is that the logistics nightmare for the US armed forces
will be dealt with later.
I feel a draft coming... :eyes:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:22 PM
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5. Well I wondered why Cheney made that whirlwind trip last week to Davos.
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 10:37 PM by Dover
Now I know.

So as has been the case all along, when a Bush Administration official talks about their concerns with terrorism and WMD, what they are really talking about is oil, pipeline deals, and protecting their investments.

Terrorism, WMD to headline Cheney's trip to Europe

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Dick Cheney will seek help in the war on terrorism, speak out against the spread of weapons and smooth ruffled relations with European allies during a five-day trek to Switzerland and Italy.
In just his second foreign trip since taking office with President Bush around three years ago, Cheney leaves Thursday for Davos, Switzerland, to address the World Economic Forum, an annual gathering of political, corporate and opinion leaders. After that, he will visit Rome......cont'd

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-21-cheney_x.htm
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:40 PM
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6. So the Afghanistan war was totally unnecessary
The pipeline went somewhere else.

http://www.angelfire.com/ab/trogl/oilwar
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:42 PM
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7. Well, after Enron collapsed it was beside the point.
Whatever happened to the plant at Dabhol?
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:19 PM
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13. Different pipe, different product
The Afghanistan war was arguably about getting Turkmenistan's natural gas to market in Pakistan.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 07:06 PM
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15. Great site but Do not trust USGS estimates- #1No Backdate Revisions
Afghanistan was needed to project into Central Asia
Kyrgystan is the prize.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 07:12 PM
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16. Speaking of not dropping their claim Russia controls Georgia coast
http://worldcities.surfwax.com/files/Batumi_Georgia.html

Russia hints at Georgia departure  Feb 02, 2004
(Good Luck USA on this)

Around 8,000 soldiers are housed in the bases, at Akhalkalaki in the south and Batumi on the Black Sea coast.

Guess where the BTC pipeline runs thru-

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnc31039.htm
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 11:49 PM
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8. OK
How would one do a check mate?

South America, middle east or...

Guess there will be more on the wars on terror.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:17 AM
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9. this needs an early morning kick n/t
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:08 PM
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12. The caspian reserves aren't as precious as was once hoped for... the crude
is of low quality, hence the primary reason for NOT building the once long anticipated "silk road" pipeline across Afganistan.

Oddly, the cancellation of the silk road pipeline proposal coincided with the cessation of the invasion of Afghanistan.. all a coincidence of course.

Once it was revealed that the crude was crap, Putin told bush to take a hike.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:45 PM
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14. the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) think-tanking paying off?
I can't make sense of much because of all the distractions. Our party continues to trend toward the status quo power structure which consists of people who self-proclaim themselves as "individuals of high distinction", bestowing awards and Board memberships to one another in perpetuating their power, when in deed, many are war criminals, crooks, and possibly traitors to our sovereignty yielding to corporatism. ~end of soap box~

I'm sure Dick Cheney/James Baker and their gang's involvement in the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce is only concidental.

and, adjunct PNAC/BFEE auxilliary organizations have kept on top of the geopolitics of it all ... like CSIS and its Directors/Advisors/experts, which includes some "Democrats"
http://csis.org/about/index.htm#4
"IRAQ WAR AND THE CAUCASUS - Experts to Discuss Regional Effects, Relations with U.S."
http://www.csis.org/press/ma_2003_0401.htm
http://csis.org/scholars/index.htm



CFR
Welcome to the Council's archived hyperforum on the Caspian Sea. This site was build and hosted in 1998 - 1999 to facilitate an online debate on the Caspian Sea Region, with the goal of formulating a set of recommendations for U.S. Policy.
http://treemedia.com/cfrlibrary/


http://www.treemedia.com/cfrlibrary/library/energy/greatgamemaps.html#map2 "Exploiting Turkmenistan's Oil and Gas Reserves: Proposals and Possible Solutions"




US-Azerbaijan CofC

Dick "resigned" after being selected ... but, is that like Richard Perle resigning (but remaining) on the Defense Policy Board at the Pentagon?

http://www.usacc.org/chamber/prof-officers.htm

The USACC Honorary Council of Advisors is comprised of individuals of high distinction. Council members serve in advisory capacity.

James Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Dick Cheney
(Resigned in November, 2000)
Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu


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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 07:50 PM
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17. Now that's worth dieing for.
I'm getting depressed.
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